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[j. spilotro]

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They’re all going to start backtracking. Trying to rewrite what they wrote/thought. Scrub things.

The ones that knew it was wrong and pushed it, foffanddie. The sheep that followed blindly, hopefully lesson learned. Thinking for yourself and finding out for yourself instead of defaulting your opinion to that of MSM and “experts” with tons of conflicts of interest is probably a wise move.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

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It's science...

Or something..

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

A great debate in a few years will be which administration handled Covid worse.

Trump's early cavalier it's just the flu..

Or

President Biden's throwing up the peace sign saying 'We out'...

 

[Rebel1986]

Maybe you should take a long hard look at all of the liberal politicians in New York and other cities who went out in mass celebration without mask at the beginning of the virus for guidance, and then flipped around and blamed others for their screw ups? The simple fact is this is 100% on the current administration and their flock of sheep.

 

[j. spilotro]

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A great debate in a few years will be which administration handled Covid worse.

Trump's early cavalier it's just the flu..

Or

President Biden's throwing up the peace sign saying 'We out'...

They were both awful with it.

 

[Rebel1986]

In most cases you are correct that both parties were idiots, but there are some cases like in Florida where they ignored the government and did their own thing, and got attacked left and right and blamed for everything even while they had no more issues than most larger states while keeping their freedoms. Funny thing is when they post numbers, they ignore the fact that Florida has the highest percentage of elderly people most likely in the country as a retirement state for snowbirds.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Old enough to remember being told this administration was going to shut down the virus...

Whelp.

Let's hope this is a signal that reality has set in. It's here. It's not going anywhere. You can't mandate your way out of it. The vaccines aren't stopping the spread. The at risk groups from before, still the same.

 

[rebelwithacause]

In most cases you are correct that both parties were idiots, but there are some cases like in Florida where they ignored the government and did their own thing, and got attacked left and right and blamed for everything even while they had no more issues than most larger states while keeping their freedoms. Funny thing is when they post numbers, they ignore the fact that Florida has the highest percentage of elderly people most likely in the country as a retirement state for snowbirds.

I moved to Florida in June. I knew this shit wasn't going to go away anytime soon. I could never imagine living somewhere like Nevada again where I would have to get a vaccine (any vaccine doesn't matter) to go see a sporting event. Florida is free, I love it.

 

[j. spilotro]

I moved to Florida in June. I knew this shit wasn't going to go away anytime soon. I could never imagine living somewhere like Nevada again where I would have to get a vaccine (any vaccine doesn't matter) to go see a sporting event. Florida is free, I love it.

Looks like Texas and Florida gained a lot of people from Cali and NYC. Understandable. I know a few people who from this board who have jumped because of the bs. I’ve contemplated it but not all because of this current bs … you don’t have to look far to find better education, don’t have to look far to get out of the extreme heat, you don’t have to look far to find a place with more culture, a place with more beauty or at least different landscapes, different recreations … don’t have to look far to find places with more reasonable people.

Not exactly finding it “funny” because it’s been a pain in the ass subject, but isn’t it funny how the wild admissions that masks don’t do dick are finally out by the biggest pro-masking entities? Spare me the, well, then N95’s do, blah, blah, blah. The whole thing was spelled out as masks (cloth and otherwise) work and these silly cloth masks cause so many arguments publicly between people. THEY. DONT. WORK. They never did against aerosol transmission, simple physics (Hiker) shows it. And studies of the past proved it. Yet people jumped on it like mindless wonders as if it were gospel and the reason for spread was low masking. It was always bullshit.

Not saying don’t wear one if you want, feel free. Feed your psychosis all you want. It’s none of my business until you tell me what to do.

Guess what else doesn’t work very well ….

The backtracking and shifting … the erasing … if people would think for themselves instead of relying on the NYT, CNN and compromised “experts”, we’d have all been better off.

How long have you been in FLA? should hook up with @1Tripoda for some games if you guys are close to one another.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Honestly..What the hell....

As stated before. I got the initial vaccine.

We aren't even two years in with the vaccines and we are already 4 shots in?

These are no longer vaccines and should not be called vaccines. Call them what they are. Prophylactics.

I hear people say 'there's a yearly flu shot, what's the big deal'.

Yes yearly not one every three to four months..

I'll still promote/think that people, especially high risk, should get the shot.

But how anybody can't think we weren't sold a bad bill of goods at this point is beyond me.

Their is a growing movement that would view me as technically 'unvaxxed' because I got it last March. Honestly if being vaccinated requires 2, 3 or 4 shots a year, it's not a vaccine...

 

[j. spilotro]

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Honestly..What the hell....

As stated before. I got the initial vaccine.

We aren't even two years in with the vaccines and we are already 4 shots in?

These are no longer vaccines and should not be called vaccines. Call them what they are. Prophylactics.

I hear people say 'there's a yearly flu shot, what's the big deal'.

Yes yearly not one every three to four months..

I'll still promote/think that people, especially high risk, should get the shot.

But how anybody can't think we weren't sold a bad bill of goods at this point is beyond me.

Their is a growing movement that would view me as technically 'unvaxxed' because I got it last March. Honestly if being vaccinated requires 2, 3 or 4 shots a year, it's not a vaccine...

Flu was tested. It’s not foolproof and we know that. We know the safety profile of the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine is elective.

Huge differences.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Flu was tested. It’s not foolproof and we know that. We know the safety profile of the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine is elective.

Huge differences.

Correct..

Not to mention even with years and years of real life use, 60% efficacy is considered good.

There use to be a term for people that hyped a product that didn't do what they proclaimed...

Snake Oil salesman.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Ok..

Kinda funny, regardless your Covid leanings...

 

[rebelwithacause]

Looks like Texas and Florida gained a lot of people from Cali and NYC. Understandable. I know a few people who from this board who have jumped because of the bs. I’ve contemplated it but not all because of this current bs … you don’t have to look far to find better education, don’t have to look far to get out of the extreme heat, you don’t have to look far to find a place with more culture, a place with more beauty or at least different landscapes, different recreations … don’t have to look far to find places with more reasonable people.

Not exactly finding it “funny” because it’s been a pain in the ass subject, but isn’t it funny how the wild admissions that masks don’t do dick are finally out by the biggest pro-masking entities? Spare me the, well, then N95’s do, blah, blah, blah. The whole thing was spelled out as masks (cloth and otherwise) work and these silly cloth masks cause so many arguments publicly between people. THEY. DONT. WORK. They never did against aerosol transmission, simple physics (Hiker) shows it. And studies of the past proved it. Yet people jumped on it like mindless wonders as if it were gospel and the reason for spread was low masking. It was always bullshit.

Not saying don’t wear one if you want, feel free. Feed your psychosis all you want. It’s none of my business until you tell me what to do.

Guess what else doesn’t work very well ….

The backtracking and shifting … the erasing … if people would think for themselves instead of relying on the NYT, CNN and compromised “experts”, we’d have all been better off.

How long have you been in FLA? should hook up with @1Tripoda for some games if you guys are close to one another.

I've thought about looking up tripod. I think he is in the ft Myers area?. It wasn't easy moving to Florida over the summer. We had to live in hotels for 3 months until we secured housing, but at least I don't have to tell people to "wear your mask above your nose please" before I can serve you a drink. The mask policy in the casinos is just plain idiotic. Smokers everyone blowing out lungs filled with smoke and air (smokers get a mild mask exemption to lower their masks to blow out smoke) sooooo ****ing stupid. Almost as bad as that guy wearing his mask while he is riding his bike outside without a person within a mile. This shit is just getting ridiculous.

 

[bcvegaspt]

Over 1,000,000 incidents and 21,000 deaths

THIS is why I’m anti-mandating it for everyone. I’m PRO-making the best choice for yourself.

1,000,000 health incidents from the jab and 21,000 deaths aren’t small amounts.

Some of these “incidents” result in long-term disabilities that the person and their family have to pay for, not to mention that the person is now disabled. Permanently.

 

[j. spilotro]

Over 1,000,000 incidents and 21,000 deaths

THIS is why I’m anti-mandating it for everyone. I’m PRO-making the best choice for yourself.

1,000,000 health incidents from the jab and 21,000 deaths aren’t small amounts.

Some of these “incidents” result in long-term disabilities that the person and their family have to pay for, not to mention that the person is now disabled. Permanently.

Funny how just a couple of deaths is enough to stop other vaccines. With this one, who knows how many? VAERS isn’t the most reliable, but when they aren’t investigated fully … I know of one vax death myself on a personal level, myocarditis induced with a previous clean bill of health…

But this thing is going to go down with more damage than all other vaxxes combined. Of course it’s far more distributed, but the rates will still be higher and we haven’t even travelled into long term territory yet.

My bet? Long term is going to be worse than any other vax or pharma in history.

Warp Speed is going to be a death sentence for some.

 

[LVRebel2000]

Funny how just a couple of deaths is enough to stop other vaccines. With this one, who knows how many? VAERS isn’t the most reliable, but when they aren’t investigated fully … I know of one vax death myself on a personal level, myocarditis induced with a previous clean bill of health…

But this thing is going to go down with more damage than all other vaxxes combined. Of course it’s far more distributed, but the rates will still be higher and we haven’t even travelled into long term territory yet.

My bet? Long term is going to be worse than any other vax or pharma in history.

Warp Speed is going to be a death sentence for some.

I don't want to "like" that post, but I will in the sense that I agree with it. I really hope it doesn't go down that way, but I fear that it will.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Over 1,000,000 incidents and 21,000 deaths

THIS is why I’m anti-mandating it for everyone. I’m PRO-making the best choice for yourself.

1,000,000 health incidents from the jab and 21,000 deaths aren’t small amounts.

Some of these “incidents” result in long-term disabilities that the person and their family have to pay for, not to mention that the person is now disabled. Permanently.

I would not use that sight for any credible information..

They are the essence of throw crap at a wall and see what sticks..

It's hard to know what news sources to trust these days, but that would not be one of them for me...

Imagine if Alex Jones owned a newspaper...That would be them..

Not trying to be an ass...

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I'm not sure I like the term 'new normal'.

Unless it is specifically saying Covid is here and we have to live with it.

 

[j. spilotro]

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I'm not sure I like the term 'new normal'.

Unless it is specifically saying Covid is here and we have to live with it.

I’ve never liked the term.

But if endpoints and off ramps were mapped out, wouldn’t that make it easier on people? Spell it out.

Or so they just keep the shroud of secrecy because whatever they want will have huge blowback by rational people?

 

[Rebel1986]

I would not use that sight for any credible information..

They are the essence of throw crap at a wall and see what sticks..

It's hard to know what news sources to trust these days, but that would not be one of them for me...

Imagine if Alex Jones owned a newspaper...That would be them..

Not trying to be an ass...

Who would you use, and based on what information have you decided they are fake? Did that come from the liberal media constantly attacking them because they don't march in step with the rest of the media? Currently people are using sites like CNN, MSNBC, etc. who all have political agendas and do not give a crap about telling the truth, and are only recently backing up on statements they made as fact 1-2 years ago! If you want to find a site that does nothing but throw mud at the wall, go to Yahoo and look at any of their stories, and you will see true mud slinging on almost 100% of their stories, and 100% of their negative stories attack those who are not in line with the current political regime!

While the data they are showing is far more comprehensive, and in much larger numbers than I have seen in other places, it holds to the data that I have been seeing, reading, and hearing about for the last 6 months to a year, while much of the media has totally ignored this data like it never happened! Personally I know dozens who have ended up in the hospital due to the vaccine, including my own son who already had the Chinese virus prior to being required by the military to get the vaccine, but have seen almost nothing in the news regarding the adverse reactions due to the vaccine! I also have another business related friend who has had the virus three times, has been vaccinated, and just got a booster vaccine that he was told he needed, and ended up being sick enough to stay in the hospital for a couple of days right after the jab, and ended up another week at home before he recovered from the booster vaccine!

"As for you writing Imagine if Alex Jones owned a newspaper... That would be them. Not trying to be an ass..."

That is exactly what you are trying to be is an ass. You don't like what the site says so you have accusing them of being facist and having oppressive ideologies which is the definition of far right and has nothing to do with that site. On the same point, where are your attacks on CNN, MSNBC, yahoo, twitter, facebook. etc. and accusations that they are far left which would be revolutionary views such as communism and socialism?
If you are going to toss your own mud, actually back it up!

As for what Gateway Pundit is, it is hard to figure out since the social media sites controlled by goolge, yahoo, Wikipedia, etc have designated almost every single conservative site as being far right and fake. A good example is Parler which all of the network media and social media attacked as being fake and far right which was as far from the truth as possible, but I guess the truth never was important to those in power. I had a Parler site and had about 15K followers and the only time I read anything on the site that came across as being inflammatory, it was from accounts that were obviously fake account made up to stir up issues. Funny just before many of the sites to get apps banned Parler they were mass attacked by thousands of new accounts that immediately start to post racist and hate filled content that was obviously coming from a small number of people with multiple accounts that went on the site to shut it down.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Who would you use, and based on what information have you decided they are fake? Did that come from the liberal media constantly attacking them because they don't march in step with the rest of the media? Currently people are using sites like CNN, MSNBC, etc. who all have political agendas and do not give a crap about telling the truth, and are only recently backing up on statements they made as fact 1-2 years ago! If you want to find a site that does nothing but throw mud at the wall, go to Yahoo and look at any of their stories, and you will see true mud slinging on almost 100% of their stories, and 100% of their negative stories attack those who are not in line with the current political regime!

While the data they are showing is far more comprehensive, and in much larger numbers than I have seen in other places, it holds to the data that I have been seeing, reading, and hearing about for the last 6 months to a year, while much of the media has totally ignored this data like it never happened! Personally I know dozens who have ended up in the hospital due to the vaccine, including my own son who already had the Chinese virus prior to being required by the military to get the vaccine, but have seen almost nothing in the news regarding the adverse reactions due to the vaccine! I also have another business related friend who has had the virus three times, has been vaccinated, and just got a booster vaccine that he was told he needed, and ended up being sick enough to stay in the hospital for a couple of days right after the jab, and ended up another week at home before he recovered from the booster vaccine!

"As for you writing Imagine if Alex Jones owned a newspaper... That would be them. Not trying to be an ass..."

That is exactly what you are trying to be is an ass. You don't like what the site says so you have accusing them of being facist and having oppressive ideologies which is the definition of far right and has nothing to do with that site. On the same point, where are your attacks on CNN, MSNBC, yahoo, twitter, facebook. etc. and accusations that they are far left which would be revolutionary views such as communism and socialism?
If you are going to toss your own mud, actually back it up!

As for what Gateway Pundit is, it is hard to figure out since the social media sites controlled by goolge, yahoo, Wikipedia, etc have designated almost every single conservative site as being far right and fake. A good example is Parler which all of the network media and social media attacked as being fake and far right which was as far from the truth as possible, but I guess the truth never was important to those in power. I had a Parler site and had about 15K followers and the only time I read anything on the site that came across as being inflammatory, it was from accounts that were obviously fake account made up to stir up issues. Funny just before many of the sites to get apps banned Parler they were mass attacked by thousands of new accounts that immediately start to post racist and hate filled content that was obviously coming from a small number of people with multiple accounts that went on the site to shut it down.

Rueters..
Wall Street Journal.
BBC.

They've discussed the issues that sites like Gateway Pundit create.

Gateway Pundit is a QAnon type nonsense rag.

Conservative outlets like National Review, The Federalist etc don't even acknowledge outlets like the Gateway Pundit.

Because a particular news outlet may have liberal/conservative slants or bias, doesn't neccesarily discredit them.

What discredits them is if they push Alex Jones type nonsense..Which Gateway Pundit has done on numerous occasions.

Using the word liberal as a slur is silly.

The United States is built on Western liberal ideals. Read the actual definition of classical liberalism.

Freedom of religion is a liberal ideal.
Freedom of speech is actually a liberal ideal.


Liberals in the true sense of liberalism are not the problem.

If you want to use Gateway Pundit as a credible news source by all means do so.

Just be prepared to be disappointed..

How ‘Gateway Pundit’ Used Vaccine And Election Misinformation To Earn $1.1 Million In Google Ad Revenue

The far right news site's succes is a useful reminder that false information is replete on the internet and a problem nearly every large web company must handle.

www.forbes.com

This is from Forbes magazine which is hardly a bastion of leftist idealogy.

Also how is pointing out to somebody I respect and know personally, that an article they posted comes from a questionable source make me an ass?

And where in any of my posts have I ever come across as somebody who you would view as on the left of Covid..?

If anything I view my stance on Covid would be more in line with most conservatives.

There are enough credible news sources putting out actual facts about masks not being effective, the struggles of vaccines to mitigate spread etc there's no need to use questionable ones like the Gateway Pundit.

I even stated in the preface, that with social media the sheer number of tweets and posts it's easy to grab onto a headline not knowing the credibility of the source. He may not have known their history.

 

[bcvegaspt]

@Rebel1986 - Bull and I talk off this site so he’s just informing me that the site I used may not be reliable. I saw the number on Twitter so I grabbed it and used it.

I don’t know which sources are reliable, and what data is reliable other that medical journals who I trusted pre-2019.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

I was told this never happened...

Is this being acknowledged as recent in lieu of Omicron?

Or was this always the 'case'..

(Pun totally intended)

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Hear me out...

I'm so terrified of getting sick/Covid, I'm going to go door to door interacting with strangers which is obviously safer than teaching children...

If democrats don't reign in some of their biggest surrogates, they are going to get absolutely rolled over in midterms...

 

[Rebel1986]

The latest spin is that the impact in the hospitals is much lower than expected because those who have the vaccine are protected and only impacted in a minor way, while most of those in the hospital with issues are those who didn't get the vaccine! LMAO - The sheep just keep sucking up the kool-aid!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

The latest spin is that the impact in the hospitals is much lower than expected because those who have the vaccine are protected and only impacted in a minor way, while most of those in the hospital with issues are those who didn't get the vaccine! LMAO - The sheep just keep sucking up the kool-aid!

This is actually easy data to determine the validity..

There appears to be significant data supporting that the vaccines are at least mitigating symptoms.

Where they are failing miserably is in halting transmission.

I think we are beyond the point of even using the term breakthrough cases...Breakthrough would signify something unusual happening. Vaccinated folks catching Covid is hardly unusual anymore.

The one consistent this entire time. The one infallible truth...

It wasn't efficacy of masks. That was utter nonsense from the start.

It wasn't efficacy of the vaccines. We now know without question they failed to stop transmission.

It's the at risk groups. There are of course outliers...But the data/statistics paint a pretty clear picture of who was at high risk and who was at low risk.

In my opinion we failed both groups miserably.

 

[Rebel1986]

The data that I have seen for the current variant doesn't point to any lower impact on those vaccinated in comparison to those not vaccinated or the other way around without sufficient data or being able to consider if those being tested are in a high risk category vaccinated or not. The current numbers for the Southern Nevada Health District (easy to look up) have shown an approximately 10X increase in the number of infected patients (no break down between vaccinated or not vaccinated), while the number hospitalized and dying has continued to drop. If the current omicron version is mitigated for those with the vaccine, then why has there being absolutely no increase in the numbers of hospitalized and/or dying if it has a larger impact on those who have not been vaccinated? If you look at the numbers on the SNHD site for the last month, you will see that the numbers have continued to drop for hospitalized and dying even with the spike in those infected. If the majority of those infected are not vaccinated, then it would point to the fact that the Omicron version is a very low risk for un-vaccinated patients, if the majority of those infected are vaccinated, it would point to the fact that the vaccine does little to stop getting or spreading the current variant. Either way you look at it, the current variant is of little risk to most people vaccinated or not beyond that of a common cold or flu based on the SNHD numbers.

 

[j. spilotro]

When the highest court in the land spouts all the indisputable mistruths that they did yesterday, everyone should be very concerned. Either at the complete ignorance of the subject matter at hand or that they are so compromised/politicized beyond belief.

 

[Rebel1986]

The road was already travelled too far by the politicians, and now they have no way to turn around and go back without losing face. Not losing face is of more importance at this point than this country and our freedoms!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

The data that I have seen for the current variant doesn't point to any lower impact on those vaccinated in comparison to those not vaccinated or the other way around without sufficient data or being able to consider if those being tested are in a high risk category vaccinated or not. The current numbers for the Southern Nevada Health District (easy to look up) have shown an approximately 10X increase in the number of infected patients (no break down between vaccinated or not vaccinated), while the number hospitalized and dying has continued to drop. If the current omicron version is mitigated for those with the vaccine, then why has there being absolutely no increase in the numbers of hospitalized and/or dying if it has a larger impact on those who have not been vaccinated? If you look at the numbers on the SNHD site for the last month, you will see that the numbers have continued to drop for hospitalized and dying even with the spike in those infected. If the majority of those infected are not vaccinated, then it would point to the fact that the Omicron version is a very low risk for un-vaccinated patients, if the majority of those infected are vaccinated, it would point to the fact that the vaccine does little to stop getting or spreading the current variant. Either way you look at it, the current variant is of little risk to most people vaccinated or not beyond that of a common cold or flu based on the SNHD numbers.

Nobody is arguing that the vaccines stop you from transmitting it, or getting it.

They they have failed in that regard..Miserably...

However...(There were numerous similiar articles to this. I avoided anything from CNN, MSNBC, etc to avoid any cries of fake news)

Omicron is sending vaccinated people to the hospital, but unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU

In the Harris Health System, 22 of the 27 COVID patients in its intensive care units are...

www.houstonchronicle.com

The question/data that would be most relevant would be...

Unvaccinated no prior Covid

Vs

Unvaccinated but prior covid positive

Vs

Vaccinated

vs

Vaccinated boosted

And then break the numbers down even further by vaccine type..

I'd be willing to bet hospitalizations requiring more than a day are likely the exact same groups as before. Same ages, comorbidities etc.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Like I said before..

If the Democrats don't reign in some of their biggest surrogates (like unions, especially one as powerful as the teachers union) the GOP will mop them up in the midterms.

 

[j. spilotro]

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Like I said before..

If the Democrats don't reign in some of their biggest surrogates (like unions, especially one as powerful as the teachers union) the GOP will mop them up in the midterms.

GOP is going to mop up. But I’m not sure it will make a tremendous difference. As much as the Dems are off their rocker with so very many things, the Repubs have been nothing but wallflower wimps. They all suck and it wouldn’t surprise me if they all have their primary allegiance to their common bond of elitism over everything else.

None of them represent the 95% of the common citizen. They all suck.

 

[Rebel1986]

They don't all suck, they just have the same problem as the democratic party, those who control both parties almost all suck, while those who want to change things get pushed out of the way by the rest!

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

They don't all suck, they just have the same problem as the democratic party, those who control both parties almost all suck, while those who want to change things get pushed out of the way by the rest!

The only thing that will change the status quo will be a split within the parties. I think you are already seeing it.

Unfortunately if you are on the side of the GOP the split may end up 3 ways instead of just two for Dems.

Dems are already battling between moderate/traditional dems and the Bernie/progressive wing.

Republicans it's the Trump/populists vs the run of the mill conservatives and a small but growing libertarian wing of the party .

Personally I'd love to have 3,4,5 options instead of the current 2..

As for news outlets...I don't think there is any question that CNN, MSNBC, New York Times are slanted left. Just like Fox is most definitely right leaning.

No joke, I tend to trust the validity of a story the most, when a news source is forced to report a story that runs against the grain of their usual ideology/bias/slant etc..

Long winded way for me to say I agree with most of that sentiment...

 

[j. spilotro]

The only thing that will change the status quo will be a split within the parties. I think you are already seeing it.

Unfortunately if you are on the side of the GOP the split may end up 3 ways instead of just two for Dems.

Dems are already battling between moderate/traditional dems and the Bernie/progressive wing.

Republicans it's the Trump/populists vs the run of the mill conservatives and a small but growing libertarian wing of the party .

Personally I'd love to have 3,4,5 options instead of the current 2..

As for news outlets...I don't think there is any question that CNN, MSNBC, New York Times are slanted left. Just like Fox is most definitely right leaning.

No joke, I tend to trust the validity of a story the most, when a news source is forced to report a story that runs against the grain of their usual ideology..

Long winded way for me to say I agree with most of that sentiment...

I’m the same way. Conservatives that have some liberal views and liberals with some conservative views … vaxxed who understand the unvaxxed POV and unvaxxed who can see the vax POV, etc … shows a tendency to be somebody who values freedom of thought and speech, adopt more of a live and let live type of philosophy.

I can live with that.

 

[j. spilotro]

So much backpedaling, lol. Now they want to revise death counts between with and of. I’ll save MSM the time. Count the deaths from 2020. Those are of. Count them from 2021 and on, those don’t count because they were “with”. Of course. Easy to read and predicted at some point they’d do just this. Inflate the number falsely, deflate the number falsely, all dependent upon what narrative you want crafted.

Such a sham and many crippled brains bought it.

Think for yourselves, don’t let MSM do your thinking. If it doesn’t pass the smell test, it’s wrong. This thing has stunk to high heaven in so many regards (masks working, natural immunity isn’t a thing, the vax works wonderfully, PCR testing is good, asymptomatic spread is a big thing, dying “with” or “of”. Every single one of these things aligned with the position of instilling fear and subsequent compliance - and every single one of them was a lie or greatly embellished to strengthen the bullshit narrative.

Most people have been had in a big, big way. It wasn’t difficult to spot as it originated, unless you didn’t want to spot it.

Wake up.

 

[lvhiker]

According to the Economist magazine the number of excess deaths due all causes during the pandemic is approximately 19 million worldwide. This is three and a half larger than the official count of 5.5 million.

 

[j. spilotro]

According to the Economist magazine the number of excess deaths due all causes during the pandemic is approximately 19 million worldwide. This is three and a half larger than the official count of 5.5 million.

I don’t know what the official count is or how accurate it will be, but I think it’s safe to say if we had 100% let it rip (not advocating that, I favored focused protection from day one), we’d be long past the pandemic and the worldwide death count from all causes minus covid deaths would be far, far smaller than what it actually is.

The poor global reaction to covid caused more deaths than actual covid by a long shot. We certainly did make “the cure” worse than the actual disease. By a lot. And that’s on humanity, not a natural disaster.

And that’s what I’ve been snippy about from day one.

 

[WarthogRebel]

According to the Economist magazine the number of excess deaths due all causes during the pandemic is approximately 19 million worldwide. This is three and a half larger than the official count of 5.5 million.

Extremely interesting article.

One passage in it is very revealing.

"The Economist has produced estimates of excess deaths using statistical models trained on the data in this tracker (as explained in our methodology post). In India, for example, our estimates suggest that perhaps 2.3m people had died from covid-19 by the start of May 2021, compared with about 200,000 official deaths."

It was stated that many of the Nations in the developing world don't issue death certificates, much less count excess deaths. Therefore the Economist did statistical guesses as to the actual number.

Lesson - this number is a very educated guess, but still a guess.