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Not directed at you, you've been on reverse merger wagon from the start.

You said something early on (paraphrasing here) the enemy was on the inside. And I 99.99% ( I hate speaking in absolutes) think Boise and SDSU were the catalysts.

They overvalued their own worth. They overvalued the PAC brand.

I think the PAC might have been Mick Cronined (Former Cincy BB coach who leveraged UNLV for better contract with Cincy) by the AAC schools. Memphis 'Oh yeah we're definitely in.' let's do this! All the while negotiating a better deal out of the AAC when next media rightss get negotiated.

WSU and OSU could have jumped into MWC. They have all they old PAC12 broadcasting stuff. New MWC could have gone to potential new media partners saying look how much money this will save you.

Probably bumped current MWC package up to 8 million. WSU and OSU would have had all that money to absolve debt and still had plenty left over for infrastructure, courting NIL partners etc.

Either they have some amazing plan they've yet to unveil or this was and absolute comedy of errors, arrogance and ineptitude.

Best G5 conference in the country with plenty of upside. Instead we're in this cluster.
This won’t happen because of pride. BUT the Pac schools could vote to dissolve. Its not what they want. They probably expected the MW to vote to dissolve to absolve them of having to pay those exit fees.

Either way, they will all become independent non conference schools if they don’t bet whatever is left in the “war chest” on that 8th football school.

Its all seriously stupid. Together we would have been a G+ conference. Better than the other G conferences, but worse than the P4. Now each school makes less, and the product for the fanbases is worse overall.

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I’m 💯 all in for this.

I don't know if it's viable or not. It really would come down to what each of these schools would add to a media package.

Pure speculation on my part but let's say you add Toledo/NIU and the knew MWC media deal was 80 million. To entice NIU and Toledo when factoring travel/exit fees and them finding new homes for their other sports you might have to give the close to full shares. (Maybe half but for the ease of math let's say full. I'm horrible at math so using 100 million to make it easy.

That's 100 million divided by 10 giving each school 10 million dollars. If you add WKU and say Sam Houston and the media deal is now 105 million your now dividing it by 12 and suddenly everybody is only getting 8.75 million.

There is a point of diminishing returns when you add schools so you do have to be selective.

What I do think though is if MWC does add NIU or Toledo or even both, it does open the door on other teams in the East..WKU for example and possibly even Liberty since they would now have travel partners reducing costs.

I think if MWC misses out on Toledo and NIU you evaluate the cost benefits of WKU and Sam Houston State and look at Texas State again.

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Texas State and Sam Houston (All Sports)
NIU and Toledo (FB only)
Liberty and WKU all sports.

I know some folks prefer keeping conference smaller less mouths to feed and I get it. I think 9 or 10 makes most sense.

But I wonder what those additions would add to media deal. Liberty has some name value. Multiple timezones (TV) New recruiting pipeline. Two Texas markets.
I’m 💯 all in for this.

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The more I read, particularly after reading the Utah State deal with the PAC, the more I am happy UNLV was smarting enough to stay out of that mess. UNLV priority is to fill the football stadium, win games and keep coach Odom. With around 33K seats already out for the Boise State game, UNLV is moving in the right direction. Next up is to make the state of Nevada 2-0 verse Oregon State.
33k + 2. I bought tickets today and will be driving from CO. As long as the weather cooperates over the Rockies I should make it on time.

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Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:
Right after Mike Leach was hired, WSU spent somewhere around $140M on our stadium, mostly on replacing our single-wide trailer press box with a much-needed and very nice structure, luxury boxes, loge seating, etc., and on a "Football-only" building overlooking one end zone. $140M total that is. Bad news we lost 2-3,000 seats by doing so. All to be paid for by the massive revenue influx from the Pac-12 network. Guess what? The Pac-12 network flopped badly. IMHO, both were needed improvements, but we went too far on a wing and a prayer. Thank then AD and Cougar legend Bill Moos (who then bolted for Nebraska), and Pres. Elson Floyd (RIP).

Since then we have also had deficits in our Athletics budgets more often than not. Right now we (and OSU) are living off of our war chest while also throwing it away on poaching fees. But why the F would we want to do that essentially free reverse merger and use some of that saved money to pay down debt? Because we were and still are arrogant and incompetent. WSU and Pac-2 that is.
The more I read, particularly after reading the Utah State deal with the PAC, the more I am happy UNLV was smarting enough to stay out of that mess. UNLV priority is to fill the football stadium, win games and keep coach Odom. With around 33K seats already out for the Boise State game, UNLV is moving in the right direction. Next up is to make the state of Nevada 2-0 verse Oregon State.

WE HAVE A CONFERENCE NOW...

Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:
Right after Mike Leach was hired, WSU spent somewhere around $140M on our stadium, mostly on replacing our single-wide trailer press box with a much-needed and very nice structure, luxury boxes, loge seating, etc., and on a "Football-only" building overlooking one end zone. $140M total that is. Bad news we lost 2-3,000 seats by doing so. All to be paid for by the massive revenue influx from the Pac-12 network. Guess what? The Pac-12 network flopped badly. IMHO, both were needed improvements, but we went too far on a wing and a prayer. Thank then AD and Cougar legend Bill Moos (who then bolted for Nebraska), and Pres. Elson Floyd (RIP).

Since then we have also had deficits in our Athletics budgets more often than not. Right now we (and OSU) are living off of our war chest while also throwing it away on poaching fees. But why the F would we want to do that essentially free reverse merger and use some of that saved money to pay down debt? Because we were and still are arrogant and incompetent. WSU and Pac-2 that is.

Not directed at you, you've been on reverse merger wagon from the start.

You said something early on (paraphrasing here) the enemy was on the inside. And I 99.99% ( I hate speaking in absolutes) think Boise and SDSU were the catalysts.

They overvalued their own worth. They overvalued the PAC brand.

I think the PAC might have been Mick Cronined (Former Cincy BB coach who leveraged UNLV for better contract with Cincy) by the AAC schools. Memphis 'Oh yeah we're definitely in.' let's do this! All the while negotiating a better deal out of the AAC when next media rightss get negotiated.

WSU and OSU could have jumped into MWC. They have all they old PAC12 broadcasting stuff. New MWC could have gone to potential new media partners saying look how much money this will save you.

Probably bumped current MWC package up to 8 million. WSU and OSU would have had all that money to absolve debt and still had plenty left over for infrastructure, courting NIL partners etc.

Either they have some amazing plan they've yet to unveil or this was and absolute comedy of errors, arrogance and ineptitude.

Best G5 conference in the country with plenty of upside. Instead we're in this cluster.

WE HAVE A CONFERENCE NOW...

Who's we?
Sorry about that. What I meant was I wish we (UNLV) had that in the MW. Our Lady Rebels have dominated the current 11 schools in basketball.

It's why I always wanted WSU in our conference because you would have been great competition for the Lady Rebels. Instead of a one bid league we would have two going to the dance.
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Holy.....

Just read that WSU is 100 million in debt for athletics?!?!

Oregon State is around 40 million?!?!

Both schools were operating on 20 million dollar media rights deals. How the hell are they going to function on possibly half that.

Is this why the PAC low balled Memphis offering to pay 2.5 million of exit fees?

What was the 'war chest' that they got from all the PAC exit stuff 200 million?

I know a lot of schools tend to carry some athletic department debt but 100 million?

I don't know maybe PAC leadership has a rabbit up the sleeve but it's starting to look like they may have overplayed their hand. Over valued the PAC brand.

If they can't structure a media rights deal upwards of 12-15 million what the hell was the point of all this?

Not putting this all on the PAC schools. I fet the feeling Boise and SDSU both were big players in trying to make this happen.

But if they had a 15 million dollar media valuation sitting in front of them why not add Hawaii or Texas Stare or whoever and be done with it?
Oh hell yeah WSU is awash in debt. Short history lesson:
Right after Mike Leach was hired, WSU spent somewhere around $140M on our stadium, mostly on replacing our single-wide trailer press box with a much-needed and very nice structure, luxury boxes, loge seating, etc., and on a "Football-only" building overlooking one end zone. $140M total that is. Bad news we lost 2-3,000 seats by doing so. All to be paid for by the massive revenue influx from the Pac-12 network. Guess what? The Pac-12 network flopped badly. IMHO, both were needed improvements, but we went too far on a wing and a prayer. Thank then AD and Cougar legend Bill Moos (who then bolted for Nebraska), and Pres. Elson Floyd (RIP).

Since then we have also had deficits in our Athletics budgets more often than not. Right now we (and OSU) are living off of our war chest while also throwing it away on poaching fees. But why the F would we want to do that essentially free reverse merger and use some of that saved money to pay down debt? Because we were and still are arrogant and incompetent. WSU and Pac-2 that is.

WE HAVE A CONFERENCE NOW...

Who's we?

Holy.....

Just read that WSU is 100 million in debt for athletics?!?!

Oregon State is around 40 million?!?!

Both schools were operating on 20 million dollar media rights deals. How the hell are they going to function on possibly half that.

Is this why the PAC low balled Memphis offering to pay 2.5 million of exit fees?

What was the 'war chest' that they got from all the PAC exit stuff 200 million?

I know a lot of schools tend to carry some athletic department debt but 100 million?

I don't know maybe PAC leadership has a rabbit up the sleeve but it's starting to look like they may have overplayed their hand. Over valued the PAC brand.

If they can't structure a media rights deal upwards of 12-15 million what the hell was the point of all this?

Not putting this all on the PAC schools. I get the feeling Boise and SDSU both were big players in trying to make this happen.

But if they had a 15 million dollar media valuation sitting in front of them why not add Hawaii or Texas Stare or whoever and be done with it?

Crickets

UNLV just has to tread water for a couple of years. With SDSU, Boise and USU gone, UNLV is virtually guaranteed a top 3 spot in conference every single year with UNM and UNR. Fresno and CSU are two programs that pop up every 5 years or so to make an impact in conference and they’re gone.

Now if we can escape those pesky 40 point losses to AFA, UNLV basketball will be back on the map.

Sigh.

The future is bright.
The powerhouse of the big west died 32 years ago.. never will I forget the big west chants..!!
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