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Holy crap, this is like three topics in a row we agree on..

Somebody should check the temperature in Hell.

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I didn't read his post BUT did he say kickers are important?

The state of UNLV athletics is dire. At some point basketball have to make a splash statement. Football trajectory is on the right track so it seems. Another bowl season is expected for most of us can see. Some even predicted playoff possibilities. Hold your horses...just win the conference first.

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Maybe you guys are a little older but tv revenue is a joke.

If you’re a smart dude, you have cut all your cable and have gone full internet by now.

The only caveat I see of moving into this new reformed PAC 12 conference is if we get their referees.

Having said that, I’m hoping UNLV sends out feelers secretly to the Big 12. Play your championship in our brand new stadium.

They are probably gonna do it anyways, with or without UNLV.

Outside looking in..

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The scenario needs to also consider the Scheduling Agreement. That agreement has withdrawal fees payable by the Pac-12. Poaching MW schools is a ridiculous amount of money that the Pac-2 would be out of their minds to pay. There is no TV contract enticing enough for our G5 schools that would possibly come close to reimbursing those fees. This is not going to happen.

Different story if 9 MWC schools vote to disband the MW. I think that the Pac-12 can slide some under the desk envelopes to those nine school Presidents that have checks in the 7 figure range might work. Maybe, a tough call to make on that. They could just call it a donation.
It's all about timing.

They can make an agreement but kick the can down the road. If they wait to create the new conference at the end of the current agreement, then the PAC will not be on the hook to pay back the MW schools for breaking that contract. It is not a coincidence in my eyes that that agreement coincides with the end of the current MW contract.

You can break this thing up with potentially no fees as all. Not sure if the MW can "charge" the school money in for loss of TV revenue when that hasn't been decided yet. I would imagine there would be some fees involved, but nowhere near the 19 mil it currently is.

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So for me in summary the best case scenario for you as a WAZZU fan and us as UNLV fans would to somehow create a new PAC but cutting out some dead weight. Because there is for sure some dead weight as you have seen with TV viewership. From your perspective, you will already be losing a ton of TV revenue, so trying to maximize what you can get from a new TV contract will be huge.

A basic merger would be the cleanest and easiest move for sure, and it very well may happen that way. But money would be left on the table.

A couple of options. First as you said, would be voting to disband the MW as it currently stands. The problem with that is you would be married to taking 9 MW teams which already has some dead weight even in that scenario. But it would be better than taking everyone. Getting the MW to actually disband also seems tricky due to the reasons that I posted above. But if it is in the bylaws and those 9 teams all agree that breaking up the MW and joining a new PAC is worth it, then it is doable.

The other scenario is a bit more covert. The buyouts are based off the value of the remaining TV contract, which will eventually expire. The MW is trying to get a new one, at least at face value. Those susceptible schools are likely pushing for this.
But if the PAC can work out a deal with TV partners that would be enticing enough for a good chunk of MW teams to leave, they could potentially poach MW schools while minimizing buyouts. Those targets for the PAC could try to stall/tank MW TV negotiations, knowing that they can get a better deal with a new PAC. This way you can bring in only the teams that you want, even bring in outside teams potentially. This way you can truly maximize payouts.
The scenario needs to also consider the Scheduling Agreement. That agreement has withdrawal fees payable by the Pac-12. Poaching MW schools is a ridiculous amount of money that the Pac-2 would be out of their minds to pay. There is no TV contract enticing enough for our G5 schools that would possibly come close to reimbursing those fees. This is not going to happen.

Different story if 9 MWC schools vote to disband the MW. I think that the Pac-12 can slide some under the desk envelopes to those nine school Presidents that have checks in the 7 figure range might work. Maybe, a tough call to make on that. They could just call it a donation.
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What’s up with Boise Trucker U fans?

I don't see an issue with us or any school using and showing rings and hardware to prospective recruits. One thing about athletes in this generation is they will love anything flashy. Rings are obviously flashy. You always put your best foot forward in terms of advertising and marketing yourselves to the players and if its rings, so be it. If its photos of great players from the past, so be it.

Its just like how Boise State still talks about and markets their Fiesta Bowl victory over OU.
The Fiesta Bowl win over OU was so unexpected by most of the country, as well as even BSU fans. It was such a huge step in the David v Goliath saga of the D1 haves vs have-nots. It was really a prove-it game for all little guys, on top of just being a good, entertaining game. The fact that BSU won two subsequent Fiesta Bowls, vs TCU and AZ, is just kinda... meh. They'll be touting the OU win to the grave.
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He Was the $13 Million QB Recruit. Now He’s Suing the Boosters Who Never Paid Up.

Its not against Florida.. He sued Florida's HC directly and the Gator Fund or whatever they call their NIL fund.
Same question applies to the coach though. I guess I just don't know all the details of how these NIL deals operate. Does the coach go to the NIL group and get a commitment, then the coach presents it to the kid? Or is all of the discussion on NIL done by a 3rd party?

In a way, I look forward to some of these lawsuits to flush out the details on how these work. It's not sustainable how it's going at the moment.
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He Was the $13 Million QB Recruit. Now He’s Suing the Boosters Who Never Paid Up.

How can their be a lawsuit against the university though, when NIL stuff doesn't technically run through the universities? As far as I know, they can only offer the scholarship, but the NIL is sort of a 3rd party deal, even though the coaches have to have a significant amount of knowledge on the offers.
Its not against Florida.. He sued Florida's HC directly and the Gator Fund or whatever they call their NIL fund.
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He Was the $13 Million QB Recruit. Now He’s Suing the Boosters Who Never Paid Up.

What you just explained is fraudulent inducement to enter a contract. NIL contracts ARE contracts, binding under law. If you lie to a recrui to get him/her to sign the dotted line, there are actionable causes against the university or boosters
How can their be a lawsuit against the university though, when NIL stuff doesn't technically run through the universities? As far as I know, they can only offer the scholarship, but the NIL is sort of a 3rd party deal, even though the coaches have to have a significant amount of knowledge on the offers.

He Was the $13 Million QB Recruit. Now He’s Suing the Boosters Who Never Paid Up.

What you just explained is fraudulent inducement to enter a contract. NIL contracts ARE contracts, binding under law. If you lie to a recrui to get him/her to sign the dotted line, there are actionable causes against the university or boosters
The question is proving that you lied to the recruit to get him to sign. Making offers based on playing for the university and him never playing for the university seems to be a big ? relating to these "contracts"... Also in one way he did receive compensation as his previous commitment to Miami was paid off as part of his letter of intent signing.

He Was the $13 Million QB Recruit. Now He’s Suing the Boosters Who Never Paid Up.

I have to assume the NIL deals aren't executed until the NLI is signed. Under that pretense it seems the coaches and boosters can BS any recruit with NIL promises to lock them in early, knowing they can pull the rug out anytime before the NLI is signed. In which case, I hope the kid wins. But I think it all revolves around the NIL offer to commit and how it's made.
What you just explained is fraudulent inducement to enter a contract. NIL contracts ARE contracts, binding under law. If you lie to a recrui to get him/her to sign the dotted line, there are actionable causes against the university or boosters

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So for me in summary the best case scenario for you as a WAZZU fan and us as UNLV fans would to somehow create a new PAC but cutting out some dead weight. Because there is for sure some dead weight as you have seen with TV viewership. From your perspective, you will already be losing a ton of TV revenue, so trying to maximize what you can get from a new TV contract will be huge.

A basic merger would be the cleanest and easiest move for sure, and it very well may happen that way. But money would be left on the table.

A couple of options. First as you said, would be voting to disband the MW as it currently stands. The problem with that is you would be married to taking 9 MW teams which already has some dead weight even in that scenario. But it would be better than taking everyone. Getting the MW to actually disband also seems tricky due to the reasons that I posted above. But if it is in the bylaws and those 9 teams all agree that breaking up the MW and joining a new PAC is worth it, then it is doable.

The other scenario is a bit more covert. The buyouts are based off the value of the remaining TV contract, which will eventually expire. The MW is trying to get a new one, at least at face value. Those susceptible schools are likely pushing for this.
But if the PAC can work out a deal with TV partners that would be enticing enough for a good chunk of MW teams to leave, they could potentially poach MW schools while minimizing buyouts. Those targets for the PAC could try to stall/tank MW TV negotiations, knowing that they can get a better deal with a new PAC. This way you can bring in only the teams that you want, even bring in outside teams potentially. This way you can truly maximize payouts.
Agree with almost all of your points. As I have said before, I am fine with a full reverse merger, taking everybody. My Coug brethren seem to forget that WSU (and OSU) were kicked to the curb as being dead weight by the traitors, so we are a bit uppity to turn around and scoff at the MW's dead weight. The dream scenarios that "we" hope for suck even if they were to come true. Fly all over the country? F that. We need to keep the Pac name to receive our BB allocations. The MW would raise it's profile by becoming the new Pac-12/14. A better TV deal. Will it approach the P4 money? No, but we will never keep up anyway. We don't have millions and millions of NIL money, or a packed 80,000 seat stadium. Stay out West, get the best deal possible, form new rivalries with like schools, and be done with it. You all are doing just fine now, and we will be fine too while keeping our war chest to ease the transition for at least a couple of years.

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There are some semantics here.

But least outward facing, the MW is united and strong. It could be, and likely is BS, but that isn't how they are trying to be portrayed. We know that most members are looking for an upgrade. But Gloria's language has been strong on protecting each school in the conference.

When SDSU tried to leave, schools all agreed for some ridiculous exit fees. It seems to be those susceptible schools have enough power and Gloria's ear. They are scared sh*tless that they may be left behind and it seems that Gloria is at least seemingly trying to have their back.

Your right it only takes 9 votes to disband, but again that would be the MW ceasing to exist, and the PAC inviting new members. What I have been calling "a new PAC". If they MW disbands, then it is no more. Nothing to merge or reverse merge.

The susceptible teams are going to do whatever they can not to be left behind. The idea of an amicable break up seems far-fetched. They will try whatever legal means they have to fight this as they probably should. It may come down to a similar situation to what happened to the PAC. The remaining teams doing whatever it can to keep the MW and create a "new MW" which is very possible and not great for this to happen (I can see them trying to group up with the remaining WAC schools for instance, or maybe C-USA. They could still try to lay claim to exit fees, which makes this much, much more difficult.

When I think of Reverse merger, I think that we are combining the existing teams into 1 conference. With the agreement to use the PAC name and using that to legally get everyone with the same TV payouts.
So for me in summary the best case scenario for you as a WAZZU fan and us as UNLV fans would to somehow create a new PAC but cutting out some dead weight. Because there is for sure some dead weight as you have seen with TV viewership. From your perspective, you will already be losing a ton of TV revenue, so trying to maximize what you can get from a new TV contract will be huge.

A basic merger would be the cleanest and easiest move for sure, and it very well may happen that way. But money would be left on the table.

A couple of options. First as you said, would be voting to disband the MW as it currently stands. The problem with that is you would be married to taking 9 MW teams which already has some dead weight even in that scenario. But it would be better than taking everyone. Getting the MW to actually disband also seems tricky due to the reasons that I posted above. But if it is in the bylaws and those 9 teams all agree that breaking up the MW and joining a new PAC is worth it, then it is doable.

The other scenario is a bit more covert. The buyouts are based off the value of the remaining TV contract, which will eventually expire. The MW is trying to get a new one, at least at face value. Those susceptible schools are likely pushing for this.
But if the PAC can work out a deal with TV partners that would be enticing enough for a good chunk of MW teams to leave, they could potentially poach MW schools while minimizing buyouts. Those targets for the PAC could try to stall/tank MW TV negotiations, knowing that they can get a better deal with a new PAC. This way you can bring in only the teams that you want, even bring in outside teams potentially. This way you can truly maximize payouts.

Going forward

Same w. me. The drop football crowd for the last 25 years killed me with their ignorance. That was most of UNLV BB fans. We're a BB school after all. Let's just go the Gonzaga route. Genius stuff.

Most schools outside of UNLV knew FB drove the bus for funding athletic programs for the last 30+ years, maybe forever. BB revenue is minimal compared to FB, it does not drive growth in the overall athletic programs. BB success comes along with the FB money, just like all the other title ix programs benefit. Bama and NCSt. were just in the final four. Very few of their fans give a sht about BB,

Holy crap, this is like three topics in a row we agree on..

Somebody should check the temperature in Hell.

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