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Estimate for MWC media deal

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Bullmastiff 1 said:
I think they get 5-6.

PAC gets 8-10.

Boise is pissed. Since it's only a million more than they are getting now.
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I think it fully depends on the 8th member.

But they took our 4 or 5 best markets, and left all of the bad ones.

Every school we added is at or below our current Mean value in my estimation.

Currently their least valuable school, USU would be our mean more or less.

I think they get 10 easy if we truly are getting 6.
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UTEP gets former 5-Star QB

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Masked_rebel said:
I mean, thats technically the definition of a "game manager" right? lol..

He wasnt really called upon to win games on his arm alone.. He made a few nice passes, a few good reads in the running game when things broke down, but Boise's biggest weapon was protecting their possessions with Jeanty. Fumbles and ints were few and far between. Part of that is being a game manager, playing it safe, making a good throw vs throwing a HR ball into triple coverage... Against PSU he had to go try and win the game because they got behind and because Jeanty's impact was limited, thus you saw the bad throws and the turnovers. Solid QB, but the offensive game plan was very simple and the QB play and maybe thats why he won over Nelson matched that- dont gamble, play it safe, make the simple throw, take advantage when you can but protect the ball.
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I think the view of him is he's this robotic turnstile that just handed the ball to Jeanty and that was it.

He made a lot of good throws against us. He converted a number of 3rd and 8+ throws to keep drives alive.

Penn States defense is insanely talented.

I'd take Madsen as QB for UNLV in a heartbeat.

He can play.

The 'game manager' tag is always viewed negatively implying a guy is the product of a system or not that great.

I think it's a stupid label. It's exactly what you want your QB to do. Play within the system. Don't turn the ball over. Make the 'easy' plays. The better QBs are the ones that can do that, but also deliver when things go off schedule or plays break down. Madsen did that plenty this year. He's accurate, throws with touch and he can hurt you with his legs a bit..

I'm not sure there is a better QB in the MWC right now.
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Ill tell you one thing about Madsen..He's not just the 'game manager' people think. Aside from the 3 picks vs PSU he protected the ball all season. But more than that he made some very nice throws when call upon. That throw in back of end zone in MWC title game was as good a throw as I have seen. He made a couple in the 1st meeting in big situations against the Rebs as well. Boise will take a hit without Jeanty obviously but I'm not sure they fall off a cliff. Madsen is a solid QB.. (Not saying you were suggesting he wasn't)
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I mean, thats technically the definition of a "game manager" right? lol..

He wasnt really called upon to win games on his arm alone.. He made a few nice passes, a few good reads in the running game when things broke down, but Boise's biggest weapon was protecting their possessions with Jeanty. Fumbles and ints were few and far between. Part of that is being a game manager, playing it safe, making a good throw vs throwing a HR ball into triple coverage... Against PSU he had to go try and win the game because they got behind and because Jeanty's impact was limited, thus you saw the bad throws and the turnovers. Solid QB, but the offensive game plan was very simple and the QB play and maybe thats why he won over Nelson matched that- dont gamble, play it safe, make the simple throw, take advantage when you can but protect the ball.
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Estimate for MWC media deal

Bullmastiff 1
WYNN or Dye said:
The one guy, JT. The one to the left, wearing an Air Force t-shirt.
Doesn't, even have a UNLV shirt. You know, the flagship program of the new Mountain West.
So, I can't really take these guys that serious. Plus, they live in the East Coast and not in any MWC state.
They, are guessing on the number of how much the MW will get as far as the media values will go to.
I am thinking, 5 to 7 million dollars.
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I think they get 5-6.

PAC gets 8-10.

Boise is pissed. Since it's only a million more than they are getting now.
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UTEP gets former 5-Star QB

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TheMatrix31 said:
Agree, and I would have to think that’s the case when he lost to Madsen. Probably has good arm talent and mobile, but that will only get you by for so long.
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Ill tell you one thing about Madsen..He's not just the 'game manager' people think.

Aside from the 3 picks vs PSU he protected the ball all season. But more than that he made some very nice throws when call upon. That throw in back of end zone in MWC title game was as good a throw as I have seen. He made a couple in the 1st meeting in big situations against the Rebs as well.

Boise will take a hit without Jeanty obviously but I'm not sure they fall off a cliff. Madsen is a solid QB..

(Not saying you were suggesting he wasn't)
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Estimate for MWC media deal

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Meister_Rebel said:
Watched the entire show. Almost fell asleep once.

Here is my half awake opinion on what I heard.

The hot topic for us would be media valuation. Remember, these guys know about as much as what is going to happen as the rest of us. The main take from both of the guys was that fans are going to be disappointed from both conferences regards media revenue. Some on here have been saying that specifically regarding the Pac. One guy was thinking the Pac could get something from 8-10 million and the MW getting as much as 7 million which later he revised that amount to just saying 4-6 million. Numbers being pulled out of their ass as they really are just guessing.

They got into who we may be partnering with regards to media companies and who the pac may be partnering with.

One guy was thinking we are not done expanding and there may be a possibility of one more for football addition in the MW. The same guy even said he has a good idea who the 8th team is for the pac. Although, like most of these guys they aren't going to say who. It's click bait to me to get you to keep coming back and watch their show.
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Truth we won't know until these things are officially announced.
A conference is as valuable as what their media partners are willing to pay. We have our guesses, we have to read between the lines, etc etc.
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Estimate for MWC media deal

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Meister_Rebel said:
Watched the entire show. Almost fell asleep once.

Here is my half awake opinion on what I heard.

The hot topic for us would be media valuation. Remember, these guys know about as much as what is going to happen as the rest of us. The main take from both of the guys was that fans are going to be disappointed from both conferences regards media revenue. Some on here have been saying that specifically regarding the Pac. One guy was thinking the Pac could get something from 8-10 million and the MW getting as much as 7 million which later he revised that amount to just saying 4-6 million. Numbers being pulled out of their ass as they really are just guessing.

They got into who we may be partnering with regards to media companies and who the pac may be partnering with.

One guy was thinking we are not done expanding and there may be a possibility of one more for football addition in the MW. The same guy even said he has a good idea who the 8th team is for the pac. Although, like most of these guys they aren't going to say who. It's click bait to me to get you to keep coming back and watch their show.
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The one guy, JT. The one to the left, wearing an Air Force t-shirt.
Doesn't, even have a UNLV shirt. You know, the flagship program of the new Mountain West.
So, I can't really take these guys that serious. Plus, they live in the East Coast and not in any MWC state.
They, are guessing on the number of how much the MW will get as far as the media values will go to.
I am thinking, 5 to 7 million dollars.
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Whaley status

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I treat a good amount of spines. I have been a part of the biggest individual physical therapy spine study in the country.

I have seen a lot of backs. He didn't look good at the Riverside game I went to, and he did look like he has put on weight.

It's tough for a guy like Rob in terms of weight. When you can't exercise and you are a big dude anyway, its tough NOT to gain weight when your back acts up. He is probably used to running all of the time, lifting all of the time. Stop that, you are going to gain weight.

Of course the extra weight put more load on the back.

I don't think he is faking it. I have seen dudes fake. I saw him react to being bumped when he didn't see it coming.
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Estimate for MWC media deal

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WYNN or Dye said:
If, you got 50 minutes. Comprehensive, discussion on the MWC/Pac media values.

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Watched the entire show. Almost fell asleep once.

Here is my half awake opinion on what I heard.

The hot topic for us would be media valuation. Remember, these guys know about as much as what is going to happen as the rest of us. The main take from both of the guys was that fans are going to be disappointed from both conferences regards media revenue. Some on here have been saying that specifically regarding the Pac. One guy was thinking the Pac could get something from 8-10 million and the MW getting as much as 7 million which later he revised that amount to just saying 4-6 million. Numbers being pulled out of their ass as they really are just guessing.

They got into who we may be partnering with regards to media companies and who the pac may be partnering with.

One guy was thinking we are not done expanding and there may be a possibility of one more for football addition in the MW. The same guy even said he has a good idea who the 8th team is for the pac. Although, like most of these guys they aren't going to say who. It's click bait to me to get you to keep coming back and watch their show.
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Estimate for MWC media deal

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Meister_Rebel said:
Based on what the UC Davis Chancellor said in accepting the offer to join the MW I have to think they do want to get more exposure in athletics. If they didn't care why would they join. If it works out for them that they can get that part of CA excited it would pay off for us having them in the 20th largest media market (Sacramento). It's not happening overnight I wouldn't be so bold as to say otherwise. But, if it happens down the road then we, the MWC, would be better with them.

This is what their Chancellor said in accepting the offer:

UC Davis Chancellor Gary S. May. “Our transition to the highly regarded conference will introduce our Aggie community to a broader audience, in major metropolitan areas and through increased media coverage. It also provides us with an opportunity to align with universities that share similar academic strengths while also expanding our competitive presence in the Western United States.”
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Why would they join? Easy, they are going to get a much better media deal. Why would we ask them to join is the question.
It may be a bit of a "prove it" deal. It does seem like the majority of the moves the MW are for the future. Unfortunately "potential" only pays so much. These contracts are agreed to up front, unless we are breaking the mold with a profit sharing model.
UTEP and GCU also have better potential than value today.
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Estimate for MWC media deal

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dcut03 said:
I think there is a fair share of unknowns both ways.

The factor that is often missed is if UNLV excepted the invite then that is a really solid conference. Payouts would have probably been pretty good. Unsure if they still go for Utah State if we said yes, but it is safe to say they would have eventually and they didn't balk at the offer.

UNLV didn't know the poaching fees would be aggressively contested, they should have known that the exit fees would be.

The weird part of all of this is that the estimated payouts have likely changed since. UNLV's value probably went up a couple of pegs,

Exit fees are the only up front cost for UNLV, and it was reported that the PAC was offering 6 mil in help. That is not bad at all.

Sure having up to 14 mill up front, vs facing some level of exit fee does create a potential issue. But the way these are negotiated and often paid off over time, it is very possible that UNLV would making more per year with paying off their fee included on the ledger. No money up front though.

I think UNLV could afford to jump. It isn't that daunting of an ask. The MW wasn't that much safer. Sure it was more likely to actually become a conference, but the type of payouts was very much an unknown.
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Utah State jumping created as much of a problem for the MW as UNLV not jumping did for the Pac. Wish we could see what would have happened if both decided to be in one or the other. I don't think anyone in the pac thought that UNLV would say no.
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dcut03 said:
UC Davis has some potential, but just because they are a large school doesn't mean they will ever care about athletics.
Their brand currently is very poor. There is no tradition, no previous excitement, etc. Northern California does not seem to be a great college football area. Cal and Stanford have fleeting fanbases and they are the big ones. SJSU has been extremely poor and UCDavis and Sac State seem to be making a push, but historically there has been little excitement. Hopefully them being "upgraded" will spark some excitement like what seems to be happening at UTEP. Having a large fanbase is great, but they have to care about their sports teams. There is zero indication that they actually do.
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Based on what the UC Davis Chancellor said in accepting the offer to join the MW I have to think they do want to get more exposure in athletics. If they didn't care why would they join. If it works out for them that they can get that part of CA excited it would pay off for us having them in the 20th largest media market (Sacramento). It's not happening overnight I wouldn't be so bold as to say otherwise. But, if it happens down the road then we, the MWC, would be better with them.

This is what their Chancellor said in accepting the offer:

UC Davis Chancellor Gary S. May. “Our transition to the highly regarded conference will introduce our Aggie community to a broader audience, in major metropolitan areas and through increased media coverage. It also provides us with an opportunity to align with universities that share similar academic strengths while also expanding our competitive presence in the Western United States.”
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