I may not be reading you correctly. If you get 6 of 8 (75%) to dissolve the conference then the two votes voting to keep the conference just lost.
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Tim you are kind of making my point for me?
Do you really think the PAC 12 is THAT incompetent. And that they were able to get 4 of our best schools to abandon ship without knowing these things.
So you tell me how by cutting out all the fat of the MW, and Adding OSU and WAZZU, 2 teams that at the very least match, if not exceed the value of the other schools, will make the same as the MW with all of those nothing markets? You can't tell me that you believe the 4-6 million dollar reports.
Also read my other post, no one has ever paid full value of exit fees. it averages about 60%. SMU was an anomaly.
Also no other conference realignment move has been done without the blessing of a media contract. We have not had a situation where moves were made and several weeks or even day occurred before they announced what the contract is. PAC isn't done, we all know that.
Gould used the term "swinging for the fences". They knew that they may not get their primary targets. Also have you noticed that Memphis still hasn't declined their offer. If it was so ridiculous for them, wouldn't that be clear by now?
It is very possible that the AAC is playing hardball as well, and they are trying to work it out. Also those east coast schools may be playing hardball to get the ACC or Big 12 to make a move. Probably likely.
The PAC will eat the poaching fees. The exit fees will get negotiated down, but who knows by how much. UNLV and USU may be playing the waiting game, to get their poaching cut, then use that to pay probably half of the exit fees. Then they are making 10 mil a year, and will have 5 mil to pay. Sounds pretty reasonable.
What is this new media deal for the PAC in 2026?
I get it.
But let's say USU and UNLV announce going to PAC.
Reno, UNM, SJSU, Wyo hold out and get a pile of cash..
Now what for them?
Take that money and try and poach CUSA teams?
I'm not disagreeing with just saying what is their next step?
There's so many ways this could break.
Because just like the Pac 2, they would sue. They can vote to dissolve all they want, but if the 6 voting had a financial deal arranged before, the other 2 would have a sure fire argument that disolving the conference in order to keep their new landing place from taking a financial hit is a bit quid pro quo...
There isn't one yet. Only rumors.
But if the old MWC media deal was 3 million and you took schools that were a big driver of that it will be more than what the MWC next deal will be.
More or even the same is better than less.
Again if AFA leaves the MWC us no longer a conference. It's toast.
I do think they stick around and take the cash. Why wouldn't they? The only way they are dissolving if the PAC poaches enough teams to dissolve the thing. I don't think they really want to do that, since they will be driving their annual cost revenue by taking more teams than they want.
The remaining teams are looking at 1 mil a year without extra millions of dollars or 1 mil a year with extra of millions of dollars essentially.
Whether they poach or merge with another conference, it still makes sense to try to keep the MW just for the money.
I personally don't think they will dissolve.
Just saying every school right now is weighing options and some of those options are to get the hell off a sinking ship.
Why on Earth would anyone want to dissolved the MWC when you got over $100M coming? So you can save the PAC money?
This.. and potentially 140-160 million if 2 MWC schools go. That's why there is no easy answer on the "what's next" other than wait 30 days till payment is due collect 5 million and then move to phase 2...
Yes they are big losses Trip.
Boise has the biggest name recognition in the conference.
CSU has a major media market.
AFA wants to get out and join AAC Army/Navy.
The conference is in real trouble if that happens.
It will have to poach schools to survive.
If PAC convinces 1 more school to jump ship the MWC could be done.
Even if it survives it's a shell of itself.
Dude you think TV execs give a damn how good a school is at dissecting frogs when figuring out these media deals?
OK let's play a game...
Tell me the 5 schools you are going to poach to the MWC and get the same media deal they have now.
We weren't necessarily going to get that deal anyways... I still don't see how the Pac 2 think they're getting as much as they are, but hey more power to them...
There aren't like for like replacements, but there also isn't a reason to make dumb long term decisions like paying exit fees and agreeing to a smaller cut of revenue just because you weren't in the first 6 teams or you're worried about what the future TV deal looks like
It is tough, that is why I am so pissed. Snakes like WSU and OSU should never been entertained.
Memphis
Tulane
Sacremento State
UC Irvine
Grand Canyon
New Mexico State
UC Davis
The Montanas' schools (2)
The Dakotas
We need more Cali and Texas schools.
Edit: UC San Diego still have Lavin as Coach? If they afford him, yes.
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Man, we could've totally killed OSU/WSU by not getting big eyes at the $$ and agreeing to help with their scheduling in return for $$... instead we all got the idea that we'd merge in 2 years and be a happy family with boat loads of cash as a new 14 team Pac 12
Memphis ain't coming to the MWC.
Neither is Tulane. We can't offer more than the PAC.
Not a single person is tuning in to watch UNM play UC Davis in football.
You're proving my point.
There is nobody on that list that comes remotely close to helping secure a media deal comparable to what we had.
I hate this crap as much as anyone here. But I 100% do not want to get left behind in a depleted MWC.
Bull, UNLV won the National Championship in what conference in 1990? UNLV is a worldwide phenomena. Does it matter?
I think we should stay and collect the PAC fees then try to get a vote for enough teams to dissolve to go to the AAC unless the PAC pays our fees.
The more I think about it, I'm not sure how much AFA leaving would change anything.
The only way this changes anything is that it leave 1 fewer team the PAC could poach to dissolve the MW and save some money.
It would still take 4 teams to dissolve the thing. Then you take UNLV, USU, Wyoming, and... SJSU?
The last 2 will likely drive the cost down a good amount.
The only way this changes anything is that it leave 1 fewer team the PAC could poach to dissolve the MW and save some money.
It would still take 4 teams to dissolve the thing. Then you take UNLV, USU, Wyoming, and... SJSU?
The last 2 will likely drive the cost down a good amount.
BSU and SDSU are getting their shares enlarged. That is they do...do you want to be a part of that?
Depends on if we get an equal share and if we have to pay fees.
This is my prediction when it comes to the playoffs. G5 conference affiliation will have little impact. What will matter is wins against the P4. Odom was clever in his scheduling. He is the only G5 program to schedule 3 P4 opponents and the only G5 school that is 2-0 on the road against the P4. Syracuse is important. A win at home UNLV will be 3-0 against the P4 and it doesn’t matter whether they are a member of the MWC, MAC or AAC. What will matter is a 3-0 record against the P4. Assuming equal win-loss at the end of the year at say 11-1 and UNLV is one of 2-3 G5 with the same record, UNLV will get the nod.
Again with this nonsense comparison.
Sorry Trip this is just silly man.
You are talking about two completely different sports.
1- Football roster sizes are so much bigger than basketball rosters. It takes far more players to be 'good'.
2- There were like half as many D-1 basketball programs back then. Talent wasn't spread as thinly.
3-UNLV was the last non power Conference to win a national championship in basketball. And before you say Villanova go look at the Big East media deal vs what MWC is getting.
UNLV is not a worldwide phenomenon.
They are a fondly remembered team for people in their 40s and 50s.
And without knowing it, you proved my point in another post. When I asked you who MWC should poach.
If conference doesn't matter, why would any of those schools leave their conference to join a new MWC. Why not just stay put if it doesn't matter...
I dont know Bull. Why didn't UNLV pushed to join the PAC 10 when UNLV was a worldwide phenomena? You answered your own question.
Yes man, UNLV was famous world wise back then I travel to Thailand with a UNLV shirt and they recognise it. Programs are programs. Football is a larger project, is football as famous as the UNLV basketball team of the 1990. No. Can it be, maybe...long way to go. I mean Goshdang dude, the sheer intimidation of UNLV basketball team was insane. Games were won long before they play the game.
Because our football program wasn't good. And our academics weren't high enough at the time.
We couldn't get in. Not that we didn't want to or wouldn't have if offered.
Nice try though.
Vegas is famous. But what has UNLV done since the 90’s? All of our recent success in football was last year and prior to that success was decades before. Basketball hasn’t had success in a decade.
With the exception of one conference on the east coast; ALL media deals rely on football. I work for a big media company. At the moment football is king.
I HATE sdsu, reno, and to a lesser extent new mexico; but if basketball was our ticket to a big media deal then why would the pac poach based on football?
We need to find a way to not get left behind. I’ll take less money up front with the big12, pac, and aac to get off a sinking ship. I’d rather leave everything behind to have a chance at survival than to go down with the ship.
I already posted this, but will again. You ARE correct that UNLV became D-1 in 1978, see last quote below. WSU welcomed them with open arms.....
"The first college classes, which eventually became the classes of UNLV, were offered as the southern regional extension division of the University of Nevada in 1959 in a classroom at Las Vegas High School.
In 1965, the Nevada Legislature named the school Nevada Southern University, and the Board of Regents hired the campus's first president,
In 1968, Nevada Southern was given equal status with its parent institution in Reno.
After ten years as a Division II independent, the program made the jump to the Division I level in 1978, independent of any conference affiliation. On September 9, the Rebels played their first game as a Division I school, losing to Washington State 7–34. "
Lol.
Ok Trip.
UNLV did not meet the academic requirements for the PAC back then.
It had nothing to do UNLV not feeling like they didn't need the PAC to succeed.
As the power conferences solidified and grew the ability of non power conferences to compete has dwindled.
Gonzaga and a few others are now exceptions to the rule not the norm.
Not one non power conference school has won a national title since UNLV
Now ask yourself why....
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As stated previously, the good news is that the MW will remain at 11/12 (Incl. Hawaii) for 2 more years. Then comes the 2-year grace period, assuming that the provision still applies. Lots of time to worry about retrenching. And yeah the remaining schools will be well off thanks to all the poaching and exit fees. But UNLV won't care because you are coming to join the Pac. Just figure out who should join with you. CSU will want Wyoming or AF. BSU will probably want Wyoming. I'm really starting to lean towards SJSU if they can get off their ass and fix their stadium size. Otherwise your mother ship Reno or USU.
So we're clear, I'm not saying you're wrong in any way. I'm just saying I don't think being left out of PAC and trying to maintain this momentum will be nearly as easy to do in a decimated MWC.
You're right we don't know with any certainty what the PAC media deal will look like.
But on the flip side I thinks it's fair to assume that any new MWC deal will not be equal to the current one.
If it's me and even a partial share of a new PAC deal is double the current MWC deal I think you have to at least consider it.
I already posted this, but will again. You ARE correct that UNLV became D-1 in 1978, see last quote below. WSU welcomed them with open arms.....
"The first college classes, which eventually became the classes of UNLV, were offered as the southern regional extension division of the University of Nevada in 1959 in a classroom at Las Vegas High School.
In 1965, the Nevada Legislature named the school Nevada Southern University, and the Board of Regents hired the campus's first president,
In 1968, Nevada Southern was given equal status with its parent institution in Reno.
After ten years as a Division II independent, the program made the jump to the Division I level in 1978, independent of any conference affiliation. On September 9, the Rebels played their first game as a Division I school, losing to Washington State 7–34. "
You only beat us by 27? Weak sauce!
You don't want SJSU... they just finished renovating their stadium so it's not likely getting much bigger and they're terrible at basketball... Utah St makes a better argument as they have a decent football environment and basketball has been good...
