SMU negotiated with the AAC last year and coughed up $25 million to move to the ACC.
Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC
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But the PAC 2 should have known the precedent of SMU’s departure from the AAC and the $25 mill exit fee. How much do the departing 4 currently owe to the MWC? $60-80 mill?
25 mil is still better than the 17 plus 12+ mill for UNLV right now.
From the Tucson news paper. Total cost and amount owed to the MWC is $115 mill.
There are two main components:
• The exit fees Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State owe the Mountain West. So long as they give official notice of departure at least one year in advance, the fee is about $18 million per school (one year of conference revenue distributions).
• The poaching penalty that was written into the 2024 scheduling agreement between the Pac-12 and Mountain West and equates to $43 million for the four schools combined.https://tucson.com/news/state-regio...cfa4fbce11.html#tracking-source=mp-in-article
In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.
tucson.com
There are two main components:
• The exit fees Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State owe the Mountain West. So long as they give official notice of departure at least one year in advance, the fee is about $18 million per school (one year of conference revenue distributions).
• The poaching penalty that was written into the 2024 scheduling agreement between the Pac-12 and Mountain West and equates to $43 million for the four schools combined.https://tucson.com/news/state-regio...cfa4fbce11.html#tracking-source=mp-in-article
In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.
Mailbag: What will it really cost the new Pac-12 to bring 4 Mountain West schools aboard?
Wilner Hotline mailbag: Addressing multiple questions about the rebooted Pac-12 Conference, including poaching fees, additional expansion candidates, what the future holds for Cal and Stanford, and more.
tucson.com
From the Tucson news paper. Total cost and amount owed to the MWC is $115 mill.
There are two main components:
• The exit fees Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State owe the Mountain West. So long as they give official notice of departure at least one year in advance, the fee is about $18 million per school (one year of conference revenue distributions).
• The poaching penalty that was written into the 2024 scheduling agreement between the Pac-12 and Mountain West and equates to $43 million for the four schools combined.https://tucson.com/news/state-regio...cfa4fbce11.html#tracking-source=mp-in-article
In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.
Mailbag: What will it really cost the new Pac-12 to bring 4 Mountain West schools aboard?
Wilner Hotline mailbag: Addressing multiple questions about the rebooted Pac-12 Conference, including poaching fees, additional expansion candidates, what the future holds for Cal and Stanford, and more.
I'm still inclined to believe it was planned pretty well.
You disrupt MWC. Get top targets.
Then turn attention to 'bigger' fish.
If you get them great.
If not you are out nothing because you still pretty much have your pick of MWC teams you want to add.
You only need 2 more.
I think if Memphis falls through,
UNLV and possibly USU are in play now.
I totally understand your point.
I just think even if PAC hits road block with Memphis there was contingency plans in place.
The PAC settled on 65 mil from the exiting 10 teams last season. The PAC had a record revenue last year. 604 million. Total payout for the 2 remains schools is over 66 mil.
The conference had a net revenue from just last year alone, of around 60 mil. This after paying all of the schools.
This does not account for any other residual revenue they have ammased over the years or the NCAAT payouts that are coming their way from last season alone, which is at least 18 million.
My point is that the PAC has some money to work with.
The conference had a net revenue from just last year alone, of around 60 mil. This after paying all of the schools.
This does not account for any other residual revenue they have ammased over the years or the NCAAT payouts that are coming their way from last season alone, which is at least 18 million.
My point is that the PAC has some money to work with.
I would be curious if her putting it in the deal that she would be the hew commish would get her in legal trouble?
Hey, I hate them as much as you do.
In a perfect and just world everything goes sideways for them and they come crawling back.
I would have asked..
'How much you got from that PAC payout?
Insert number....
That's the poaching fee then.
Well we won't sign a scheduling agreement.
Sweet enjoy scrambling looking to fill your schedule.
That part was more tongue in cheek. But she should play hard ball and now she will have a stash of cash to offer UNLV or maybe USU to stay in the MWC.
Good and bad. Bad because the PAC doesn't want to pay for more poaching. If that is the case it doesn't help us.
The way Utah State is playing 0-3 Temple, maybe they should consider moving down to a lower division? Temple 31 Utah St. 21 with Temple deep in the Utah State side.
I do not really feel like she looked out for the NWC teams overall, but time will tell!
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USU is such a weird team. Look like garbage, look like garbage and then upset somebody during the season.
Honestly they should have just agreed to terms with 8 or 9 MW teams (however many a vote takes) and then have them dissolve the conference. Even if you only wanted 5-6, you take the extra 2-3 and it costs you literally nothing if you’re WSU and OSU. Sure you’re not gonna make as much on the next TV deal, but how much less? Even if you said it was gonna be $5 million per year less each and this whole rebuilding the PAC thing is gonna cost you $100 million… that’s 10 years it would take before it isn’t worth it.
Interesting angle.
I think AFA decision might dictate some of that.
In order of dominoes and importance of how this plays out.
1- Memphis
2-AFA
AFA leaving would weaken MWC ability to play hard ball some.
It wouldn't work that way. The withdrawal fee (poaching fee) goes up to 11 teams. Then it has to be paid within 30 days. The MWC with one team will be give 2 years to rebuild to remain a conference just like the PAC. If it can't rebuild then it dissolves.
They also don't want 8-9 MWC teams. They want a leaner conference that sets them up to try and push back into the P5 status. Dragging along dead weight isn't a good buisness model for them more mouths to feed from tv deal that starts to get watered down
Which goes to why AFA decision is extremely important.
The moment the MWC goes below 7 (And I'm still not sure how Hawaii as football only impacts conference recognition) they are forced to look at trying to poach teams.
$115 million is a lot of money. If the Air Force Academy and UNLV are the pieces that keep the MWC together offer them a retention bonus of $10 mill each. Then divide the remaining $95 mill as equal shares among the members. Would it be wise to leave the MWC for another G5 conference and leave $20 mill on the table? I don’t think so.
I'm wondering from an analytic stand point how remaining MWC schools are viewed as potential revenue for conference/media deals?
Like highest to lowest and is Hawaii even considered at all..(I don't think so).
It would depend on media deal I think.
If current deal gets cut in half let's say, (I can't see it remaining the same) and PAC media deal doubles current MWC media package you'd make that up pretty quick no?
If UNLV in the PAC is 10-12 mill per year while the new MW deal is 3 mil maybe and that is with an elevated take.
Sure all of that extra buyout money would be nice, but MW will have to rebuild. The fee for elevated and FCS team is 5 mil per school now.
CUSA standardized exit fee is 3 mil, at least it was 2 years ago. But Marshall only paid 1.75.
Pac only paid got paid 65 mil total amongst all the teams but the official fee was supposed to be 100 mil I believe.
So it is safe to say the 18 mil per exiting MW sill likely be reduced to maybe 60ish percent, at least of historical precedent has anything to do with this. The poaching fee seems to be ironclad though.
Sure all of that extra buyout money would be nice, but MW will have to rebuild. The fee for elevated and FCS team is 5 mil per school now.
CUSA standardized exit fee is 3 mil, at least it was 2 years ago. But Marshall only paid 1.75.
Pac only paid got paid 65 mil total amongst all the teams but the official fee was supposed to be 100 mil I believe.
So it is safe to say the 18 mil per exiting MW sill likely be reduced to maybe 60ish percent, at least of historical precedent has anything to do with this. The poaching fee seems to be ironclad though.
I am not as confident in the PAC media deal. Because superficially it appears west coast conference media deals are just not as lucrative as conferences in the eastern and central time zones for whatever reason. Also, as Dodd from CBS noted in his discussions with media execs they felt the new PAC’s media deal wouldn’t be much more than the current MWC.
They aren't typically no.
But would a PAC of just these 8
OSU
WSU
BOISE
SDSU
FRESNO
CSU
UNLV
USU (latest rumor)
Bring in more money than current MWC deal of 3 million?
I believe it would.
10 million?
For me it's not so much about how much the PAC deal would be worth but how little a new MWC deal might be based on the schools we lost.
If that makes any sense.
I have read 3 different articles now all stating they think the new PAC deal will more than likely be in the 4-6 million range. If that is more accurate than 10-15 million why would any team from AAC go to the PAC?
But that would be at a factor of 4 if you get all 4 schools. Not sure that USF would be interested if they don't get the other 3 due to travel. Memphis & Tulane in a similar situation if USF doesn't go. For it to make sense regionally, they really need a min of 4 schools out that way. If you can't get 4, do you get any of them?
I think Memphis could pull it off alone.
Tulane maybe.
USF nope.
Utsa could probably since travel wouldn't be all that insane. (Minus OSU/WSU)
Buyouts would be issue for UTSA I believe.
Off topic. I did enjoy reading that Navy defeated Memphis! Hopefully UNLV will move into the top 25 in the AP
In other G5 news NIU lost to Buffalo.
I've said this a 1000x if I am a G5 program looking to make waves I am absolutely never scheduling Army/Navy or AFA...
(Realize thats a conference game)
Those option offenses are hard to prepare for and the risk of losing to them is greater than the reward of beating them.
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Memphis and Tulane might be able to do it alone, but would they want to if they're still thinking they may get into the ACC or Big 12? It would be a tough decision taking into account the risk with the unknown media deal and all the added travel.
There are some rumblings on the interwebs about ACC and Memphis.
I agree. A lot of risk involved.
Trust me I hope this whole thing blows up and those schools are forced to come back to MWC conference.
The thing is though, I think the ADs around the MWC look at the PAC and see it as a way to distance themselves from dead weight in terms of revenue.
I stand by Memphis and AFA are the biggest pieces.
I agree and think it could be good for unlv too. Unless the 6 pac isn't offering similar deals to the additional needed teams. In that case, letbthe 6 flounder and blow up when the 2 year time limit runs out
Played hard ball in scheduling agreement negotiations and lost 4 of her best Athletics Departments
Do you think she should have played nice and rolled over? Also, the 4 that left signed off on the negotiations and agreed to the poaching provision. Gloria’s job was to protect the MWC and its members. Not cater to the PAC 2 or Boise and the 3 that left without a TV deal in place and no clue as to future revenue. Smart move by the PAC 2! Now they will find out what their true value is in the market place…..same as the MWC they just left because they are all G5 schools and they will get paid accordingly.
