ADVERTISEMENT

Live feed

Forum list Trending threads

Live feed

 Posts

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

RebelinWA
dcut03 said:
You validated their inclusion by saying they could be as valuable as two of our worst media markets. Did you not? That's not how to raise media value.

NDSU has been good, and they could make a smooth transition, but history says that it a they would likely be a middle to bottom lower FBS team.

Now the MW is full of those to your point, but do we want to add more of those?

Sam Houston was in the same spot as NDSU. Regular FCS contender. Their first season in the SUN BELT they went 3-9.

NDSU has played 3 games against FBS opponents. in the past 10 years. All P4 schools, went 1-2 with mostly close games. But it's not like they have "Proven" themselves. The last win was 9 years ago.

So adding ANY FCS team is a gamble. Adding 4? kinda crazy. Especially when you consider the 5 mil per team price tag.
Click to expand...
I guess one last thing to add, NIU’s numbers swung wildly. They went from 18.6k against Toledo on a Saturday to 6800 on a Tuesday. All of the Tuesday night Maction games start at 7-730pm est. that time slot is rough,
Click to expand...
  • Like
Reactions: bcvegaspt2

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

dcut03
InZoneU said:
There is no program that the MWC can add that will add considerable media value. So might as well add the programs that will at least be competitive and make the conference better, competition wise.
Click to expand...
This is true, but.

Each team comes with a 5 mil price tag. Could they afford that themselves? I doubt completely. 24.5% of every dollar the MW spends beyond what they are spending now will be taking directly from UNLV's bonus money, which is likely going to be drastically reduced from what they told us initially even without adding these schoos.

But the logic that we can't improve our media value, so lets just go tank it further? I just don't follow that.

And there is the history that the vast majority of teams moving up, with the vast majority of those teams being top FCS teams, tend to struggle with the transition. All have joined conferences objectively worse than the MW, even the next iteration of the MW ( though we are getting closer to the likes of the Sun Belt and the CUSA now).

I don't think the MW adds these schools now. I can totally see them do this if UNLV can break the GOR and go to the PAC, with AFA likely following suit to the AAC. But why now?
Click to expand...

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

dcut03
RebelinWA said:
@Bullmastiff 1 Just for the sake of argument, North Dakota State's game in week 8 drew the same number of viewership of 174k as UNLV vs Fresno State in week 5. They did it on ESPNU too, we had FS1.

They also drew more in their bowl game than we did. V Cal we had 1.48m on ESPN. They had 1.58m on ABC vs South Dakota State.

I'm not counting NDSU's game vs Colorado. They didn't draw the 4.76m that ESPN reported.

Also, attendance matters. No media company wants to show empty stadiums.

SchoolAverage attendance for 2024Capacity %Notes
Fresno State40,60098.95%
Boise State37,235102.33%
Oregon State35,799100.71%
Colorado State33,08280.30%
UNLV32,20349.54%Our year to year capacity increase of 53.61% is top in FBS.
Air Force26,22666.49%*Cadets are forced to go
Montana25,845102.49*This is higher than Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA.
San Diego State24,77070.77%
Washington State22,41369.50%
Wyoming21,93775.18%
Montana St.21,899123.19
UTEP19,39341.55%Their home opener was 41,633. This has potential if there is success.
South Dakota State18,50495.68
reno17,41964.52%
Utah State16,99266.60%
North Dakota State16,78989.78*Attendance down due to apathy about beating the same opponents
San Jose State16,05887.92%
New Mexico16,00140.79%
Hawaii12,96376.66%
Northern Illinois12,162 53.45%
UC Davis12,108112%Stadium is nearly at capacity, they are an FCS program.
Click to expand...
The SDSU/ NDSU was on ESPN2, not ESPNU. HUGE difference. Still good numbers, though it was a bottom 3 watched game on ESPN2 that year, out of like 50+ games if I remember correctly. I looked it up weeks ago and don't want to go through the trouble to doing it again.
Click to expand...
  • Like
Reactions: RebelinWA

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

I
dcut03 said:
You validated their inclusion by saying they could be as valuable as two of our worst media markets. Did you not? That's not how to raise media value.

NDSU has been good, and they could make a smooth transition, but history says that it a they would likely be a middle to bottom lower FBS team.

Now the MW is full of those to your point, but do we want to add more of those?

Sam Houston was in the same spot as NDSU. Regular FCS contender. Their first season in the SUN BELT they went 3-9.

NDSU has played 3 games against FBS opponents. in the past 10 years. All P4 schools, went 1-2 with mostly close games. But it's not like they have "Proven" themselves. The last win was 9 years ago.

So adding ANY FCS team is a gamble. Adding 4? kinda crazy. Especially when you consider the 5 mil per team price tag.
Click to expand...
There is no program that the MWC can add that will add considerable media value. So might as well add the programs that will at least be competitive and make the conference better, competition wise.
Click to expand...

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

dcut03
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Thats not what I did. I compared them to our largest market to make the point small market size can't be discounted.

NDSU can definitely compete with anybody in either conference. They have guys getting drafted pretty regularly.

You taking UNM to go better than .500 against those 4 schools?

How about Hawaii?

Reno?

Wyoming?

The gap between the G5 / MWC and the SEC is larger than the gap between those four schools and the current MWC.

NDSU would have finished above .500 if they were in the MWC and been bowl eligible. Unlike everyone remaining in the MWC not named UNLV and SJSU.
Click to expand...
You validated their inclusion by saying they could be as valuable as two of our worst media markets. Did you not? That's not how to raise media value.

AT this point I don't think anyone thinks that SJSU was good for our media contract. Big "market" but poor penetration. Even when they are good. They are probably near the bottom of actual media value.

NDSU has been good, and they could make a smooth transition, but history says that it a they would likely be a middle to bottom lower FBS team.

Now the MW is full of those to your point, but do we want to add more of those?

Sam Houston was in the same spot as NDSU. Regular FCS contender. Their first season in the SUN BELT they went 3-9.

NDSU has played 3 games against FBS opponents. in the past 10 years. All P4 schools, went 1-2 with mostly close games. But it's not like they have "Proven" themselves. The last win was 9 years ago.

So adding ANY FCS team is a gamble. Adding 4? kinda crazy. Especially when you consider the 5 mil per team price tag.
Click to expand...

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

Bullmastiff 1
Rebel1986 said:
Hawaii really doesn't count until they finish their new stadium which is currently scheduled for some time in 2028. They averaged around 25K+ before the old stadium was forced to shut down. Just in the last couple of years they expanded their temporary stadium from around 9,000 the first year, to 15,000, and then they just finished expanding to 17,000 in the middle of 2024. Each season they have added more fans back, but have not yet caught up to the seat additions during 2024.

Air Force has a total of 4,000 students.

My expectation is the UTEP fan support will take a significant jump when playing in the MWC.

I expect Oregon State will slowly drop in crowd support. Currently they have some decent home and home games that had been scheduled prior to the old PAC following apart. It will be a lot harder to get the better teams to play home and home now that they are in a revised PAC.

Everything else you wrote make sense.

You are correct that the media do not want to see empty stadiums, but in the case of UNLV, they have worked to fill in the first level then the second, so the crowds now look great on TV! I believe their is a very good chance that UNLV will be at or near the top in attendance of the teams listed above.
Click to expand...

Cadets at academies are required to attend games. So AFA attendance numbers are inflated to some degree.
Click to expand...

Tamper

Rebel1986
Rosegreen1 said:
The way Brad handled the situation with Maiva was jacked up. Making him take a weird photo on campus. Looked as if JM was a hostage. That guy was a weirdo and that’s just one instance.

I’m glad we have Mullen and Co, a real upgrade over the previous regime. The way Odom left and how he handled Championship week and now tampering our guys makes me think Odom is a giant POS that puts up a front that he’s Mr. integrity and hard worker etc. it’s all BS.
Click to expand...
The game verse BSU was huge, but Odom put it second fiddle to his interview with Purdue. That was classless!
Click to expand...
  • Like
Reactions: 9th_Islander, luckydarin, LVRebel2000 and 2 others

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

Rebel1986
Hawaii really doesn't count until they finish their new stadium which is currently scheduled for some time in 2028. They averaged around 25K+ before the old stadium was forced to shut down. Just in the last couple of years they expanded their temporary stadium from around 9,000 the first year, to 15,000, and then they just finished expanding to 17,000 in the middle of 2024. Each season they have added more fans back, but have not yet caught up to the seat additions during 2024.

Air Force has a total of 4,000 students.

My expectation is the UTEP fan support will take a significant jump when playing in the MWC.

I expect Oregon State will slowly drop in crowd support. Currently they have some decent home and home games that had been scheduled prior to the old PAC following apart. It will be a lot harder to get the better teams to play home and home now that they are in a revised PAC.

Everything else you wrote make sense.

You are correct that the media do not want to see empty stadiums, but in the case of UNLV, they have worked to fill in the first level then the second, so the crowds now look great on TV! I believe their is a very good chance that UNLV will be at or near the top in attendance of the teams listed above.
Click to expand...

Tamper

Rosegreen1
Hoopsnstuff said:
On a midly related topic, Brad used to DM with several UNLV X accounts and tell them who was visiting, who committed, why they werent taking certain kids, and even talked about some conversations with parents. What Director of Player Personnel gives these kinds of scoops to random anonymous UNLV X accounts?
Click to expand...
The way Brad handled the situation with Maiva was jacked up. Making him take a weird photo on campus. Looked as if JM was a hostage. That guy was a weirdo and that’s just one instance.

I’m glad we have Mullen and Co, a real upgrade over the previous regime. The way Odom left and how he handled Championship week and now tampering our guys makes me think Odom is a giant POS that puts up a front that he’s Mr. integrity and hard worker etc. it’s all BS.
Click to expand...
  • Like
Reactions: SilverSpoon, 9th_Islander, luckydarin and 4 others

Marion taking UNR’s best RB

RebelinWA
@Bullmastiff 1 Just for the sake of argument, North Dakota State's game in week 8 drew the same number of viewership of 174k as UNLV vs Fresno State in week 5. They did it on ESPNU too, we had FS1.

They also drew more in their bowl game than we did. V Cal we had 1.48m on ESPN. They had 1.58m on ABC vs South Dakota State.

I'm not counting NDSU's game vs Colorado. They didn't draw the 4.76m that ESPN reported.

Also, attendance matters. No media company wants to show empty stadiums.

SchoolAverage attendance for 2024Capacity %Notes
Fresno State40,60098.95%
Boise State37,235102.33%
Oregon State35,799100.71%
Colorado State33,08280.30%
UNLV32,20349.54%Our year to year capacity increase of 53.61% is top in FBS.
Air Force26,22666.49%*Cadets are forced to go
Montana25,845102.49*This is higher than Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA.
San Diego State24,77070.77%
Washington State22,41369.50%
Wyoming21,93775.18%
Montana St.21,899123.19
UTEP19,39341.55%Their home opener was 41,633. This has potential if there is success.
South Dakota State18,50495.68
reno17,41964.52%
Utah State16,99266.60%
North Dakota State16,78989.78*Attendance down due to apathy about beating the same opponents
San Jose State16,05887.92%
New Mexico16,00140.79%
Hawaii12,96376.66%
Northern Illinois12,162 53.45%
UC Davis12,108112%Stadium is nearly at capacity, they are an FCS program.
Click to expand...

New commit

Boston Rebel 2
rebel5280 said:
Who?
Click to expand...

Florida State football roster: LB Timir Hickman-Collins enters transfer portal

Florida State linebacker Timir Hickman-Collins will enter the transfer portal.
www.tomahawknation.com

Timir Hickman-Collins News - ESPN

Find the latest news about Florida State Seminoles Linebacker Timir Hickman-Collins on ESPN. Check out news, rumors, and game highlights.
www.espn.com

Four years eligibility left is nice, decent ILB ranking and coming from a good school seems like a good get. Maybe not Correa day one but hypothetically can have for four years (as long as he doesn't get too good.
Click to expand...
Load more
ADVERTISEMENT

Filter

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back