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It doesn’t mean UNLV isn’t real, but 3-0 UNLV won against teams that are 2-9

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Gator 82 said:
Rebels actually moved up to #23 in the Coaches Poll this week.
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I figured there was a chance Texas A&M would drop votes after the struggle to beat Bowling Green. Memphis and Nebraska dropped down, but Illinois and BYU passed UNLV. BYU looked good, so expected them to jump up above UNLV. It was nice that byu beat Kansas State bad enough that they dropped below UNLV, but in reality, I think they are a better team than their ranking.
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Said this before even if PAC deal is only 6 million per.

The new MWC deal isn't getting to 3 million next time. Probably closer to CUSA and a million.

I'm not saying it's great.

I'm saying any new iteration of the MWC is going to be a shell of itself and it will become harder to maintain any momentum.

Those schools will have more money in their coffers.

They can make better coaching hires if needed. They will be able to recruit at a higher level.

AFA is likely as good as gone.

If that happens there is no MWC anymore. We are under the minimum required 8.

You'd rather see UNLV stick it out? Watch our commissioner try to cobble together FCS schools or poach CUSA to rebuild the MWC? You really think that is UNLV's best road going forward?
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Long term no... short term if we can turn our athletic programs into powerhouses, and then in 5 years when Big 12 is looking at expansion, we're a very attractive partner... it's not great, neither is forking out a ton of cash to go to Pac St conference or taking a competitive disadvantage in payout revenue to join them either...
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TimothyC3 said:
But who moves from one G5 to another with a penalty of $115 mill? Even if it s negotiated with a 10% discount similar to SMU that still breaks down to over $25 mill per school with no media deal?
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Said this before even if PAC deal is only 6 million per.

The new MWC deal isn't getting to 3 million next time. Probably closer to CUSA and a million.

I'm not saying it's great.

I'm saying any new iteration of the MWC is going to be a shell of itself and it will become harder to maintain any momentum.

Those schools will have more money in their coffers.

They can make better coaching hires if needed. They will be able to recruit at a higher level.

AFA is likely as good as gone.

If that happens there is no MWC anymore. We are under the minimum required 8.

You'd rather see UNLV stick it out? Watch our commissioner try to cobble together FCS schools or poach CUSA to rebuild the MWC? You really think that is UNLV's best road going forward?
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TimothyC3 said:
But who moves from one G5 to another with a penalty of $115 mill? Even if it s negotiated with a 10% discount similar to SMU that still breaks down to over $25 mill per school with no media deal?
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The answer is it's complicated. It's true they could pay a penalty and go to a better G5.. reality, that's cost prohibitive, and if you were one of those, why would you pay the $ if your conference fellows didn't have to, just to get into a slightly better conference with potential for increased revenue... the flip side is, winning a stronger conference might carry the weight necessary to get the qualifier...
Honestly I think there's still some pipe dream of the Pac 2 that they can add the best programs from several conferences and call themselves a Power conference and want to be treated as such when the reality is those 4 power conferences don't want another power conference
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Meister_Rebel said:
More realignment thoughts to feed our brains.

www.spokesman.com

Mailbag: On the massive Pac-12 expansion penalties, AAC options, the Mountain West’s future and more

In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.
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There are several areas of Wilner's answers that don't cover everything. I do like his reporting by the way. When he talks about the Pac-12 could delay the poaching fee for weeks or months by throwing lawyers into the picture he failed to mention the risk. The Scheduling Agreement unlike the old Pac-12 conference contract is very tight and wrote something into the contract in anticipation of that. What the Scheduling Agreement added was that if the poaching fee is not paid on time then there will be interest accrued compounded daily based on a specific market rate. So sure they can pay lawyers and lose more money that way but end up costing themselves more than the $43 million. The Pac 12 and lawyers can fight it but it is a contract that all parties agreed to just 9 months ago.
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
If you're referring to Tark and basketball from 40 years ago it's not a great comparison.

Basketball rosters being significantly smaller for one. The landscape of college sports was completely different.

Aside from Villanova (And you can argue basketball has an extra power conference with Big East and their massive media deal) , how many non power conference national champions have there been since UNLV?

Conference affiliation and revenue streams they provide do matter.

Why were 3 teams from the AAC just poached to BIG12? Why not a really good CUSA team. Or somebody killing it in the Sun Belt?


Conference affiliation and revenue the media deals provide creates ceilings for programs.

Sure you can punch above your weight to some degree, but only so much.

It also impacts recruiting. It impacts attracting potential boosters.

I'm not saying conference affiliation is everything but more money is better than less money.

It's why successful schools jump from G5 to P4 conferences.

Hell even G5 to G5 happens. You don't think Liberty won't jump to AAC to get the hell out of CUSA if they got an offer? Before all this PAC nonsense, you don't think UTEP and NMSU wouldn't have jumped CUSA to the MWC if offered?
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But who moves from one G5 to another with a penalty of $115 mill? Even if it s negotiated with a 10% discount similar to SMU that still breaks down to over $25 mill per school with no media deal?
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LVRebel2000 said:
I feel like Kansas will fix things, but yeah, overall, the wins aren't as impressive as originally thought. Even still, winning on the road is tough, so we'll take it. Really need a win vs Fresno next week at home though as the SJSU and Syracuse games are looking tougher than we thought before the season started
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They just need to stop giving up scores at the end of each half... they've lost 3 leads in the 4th and have given up TDs at end of both 1st halves in last 2 weeks...
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It doesn’t mean UNLV isn’t real, but 3-0 UNLV won against teams that are 2-9

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Gator 82 said:
Even with Syracuse, Memphis and NIU losing today. I doubt we’ll be ranked in the AP Top 25 this week with both KU and Houston losing. I wouldn’t doubt it if we even lose a few votes. Those 2 wins just don’t look that impressive anymore.
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Rebels actually moved up to #23 in the Coaches Poll this week.
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InZoneU said:
As I see it. Also just be very good and none of this jerkoff over conference talk matters. If you're good enough, you'll find your way through.

If anyone can understand this concept, it should be UNLV fans.
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If you're referring to Tark and basketball from 40 years ago it's not a great comparison.

Basketball rosters being significantly smaller for one. The landscape of college sports was completely different.

Aside from Villanova (And you can argue basketball has an extra power conference with Big East and their massive media deal) , how many non power conference national champions have there been since UNLV?

Conference affiliation and revenue streams they provide do matter.

Why were 3 teams from the AAC just poached to BIG12? Why not a really good CUSA team. Or somebody killing it in the Sun Belt?


Conference affiliation and revenue the media deals provide creates ceilings for programs.

Sure you can punch above your weight to some degree, but only so much.

It also impacts recruiting. It impacts attracting potential boosters.

I'm not saying conference affiliation is everything but more money is better than less money.

It's why successful schools jump from G5 to P4 conferences.

Hell even G5 to G5 happens. You don't think Liberty won't jump to AAC to get the hell out of CUSA if they got an offer? Before all this PAC nonsense, you don't think UTEP and NMSU wouldn't have jumped CUSA to the MWC if offered?
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
I get that but do you really think Vegas is turning anything down?
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Vegas is still a hot market for tournaments. It gives fans an outlet to party and have a good time. They don't need our money to host a tournament. All, I'm implying is they shouldn't get our money for something they are going to do anyway. I don't think the LVCVA withholding a half million dollars is going to keep them from coming.
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TimothyC3 said:
It makes a lot of sense if you accept the fact that there are a lot of incompetent people in high positions such as college athletic directors and administrators. Before any commitment to leave was made, the very first question that should have been asked is what is the media deal? With who and how much per school? The next question should have who are the other target schools and how many? It took me only a simple google search to find out that the exit fee from the AAC was $27.5 mill and SMU negotiated it down to $25 mill last year. How realistic is it to think Memphis or Tulane will pay $25 mill to join a west coast G5 conference? Now the primary targets are UNLV and USU? Who is going to pay the exit and poaching fees for UNLV and USU? Also, if WSU or OSU had value the BIG or Big 12 would have invited them. Now it appears WSU and OSU are going to blow the $250 mill windfall to try to create a G5 super conference when the money could be better spent to improve their programs (infrastructure and coaches salaries) so they are better situated for the next round of expansion.
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As I see it. Also just be very good and none of this jerkoff over conference talk matters. If you're good enough, you'll find your way through.

If anyone can understand this concept, it should be UNLV fans.
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dcut03 said:
That could be the case, but it makes no sense. Whatsoever.
First, the MW 4 wouldn't have left to create a conference with no financial benefits and also pay for the privilege.
Second, that is exactly the same money as the current MW. Taking 4 of the best markets plus the PAC 2 without the dead weight of the MW. There is no possible way that it wouldn't be higher. The math does not make sense.
More reports say 10-12. Who knows what it will be and to be honest it really depends on how they round out the rest of the conference.
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It makes a lot of sense if you accept the fact that there are a lot of incompetent people in high positions such as college athletic directors and administrators. Before any commitment to leave was made, the very first question that should have been asked is what is the media deal? With who and how much per school? The next question should have who are the other target schools and how many? It took me only a simple google search to find out that the exit fee from the AAC was $27.5 mill and SMU negotiated it down to $25 mill last year. How realistic is it to think Memphis or Tulane will pay $25 mill to join a west coast G5 conference? Now the primary targets are UNLV and USU? Who is going to pay the exit and poaching fees for UNLV and USU? Also, if WSU or OSU had value the BIG or Big 12 would have invited them. Now it appears WSU and OSU are going to blow the $250 mill windfall to try to create a G5 super conference when the money could be better spent to improve their programs (infrastructure and coaches salaries) so they are better situated for the next round of expansion.
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RebNReno said:
www.reviewjournal.com

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.
www.reviewjournal.com www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.
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Vegas isn't banning any potential revenue stream.
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dcut03
RebNReno said:
www.reviewjournal.com

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.
www.reviewjournal.com www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.
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Honestly i like the idea. I don't think it would happen, but if it did, that would be a sogn that the City and resorts actually give a crap about UNLV. It would also show that the city is ready to support UNLV.
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RebNReno said:
www.reviewjournal.com

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.
www.reviewjournal.com www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.
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I won't like it if the LVCVA gives them $500,000 for hosting their basketball tournament in Las Vegas if we are not part of that realignment. Why give money earned for our residents via room taxes to a group that doesn't want us. That shyt has to stop.
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