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Estimate for MWC media deal

Not sure I agree. I would put Hawaii and Air Force up with any of the markets they took from the MWC. Air Force has there military tie in that always makes their games popular, and Hawaii has a good following with the islands and the Polynesian community.

Currently CSU is a poor step child of Colorado; SDSU had crowds between 18K and 25K with the one big exception being 31K at the Hawaii game, and they have never had any real media following being the poor step child to nearby USC and UCLA; Utah State will always be a far third to both Utah and byu; Fresno State has really good attendance to their games, but has never been able to move forward because Fresno is a very poor farming community and they just do not have the money for NIL and will likely continue along their existing path.

BSU is the exception to that with a program that is popular and has done well for decades.

Oregon State and Washington State couldn't get anyone to take them and are trying to hold on in relevance by going for what they perceive is the cream of the crop with the MWC, but screwed up in not going after Air Force and UNLV instead of settling for Utah State.

If the PAC is able to hit a home run and get a school like Memphis, then that may change my opinion, but for now, I think they screwed up playing a game of checkers when I hope UNLV is play chess!
SDSU AVERAGES 25k the past 2 seasons, probably their worst 2 seasons in recent memory. We got that last season in our second best season in recent memory.

I honestly don't know how to measure AFA. You could be right, but I do think their attendance is goosed by a LOT of non paying cadets going to the games. They do have a bit of a national brand, but I think they are a distant 3rd amongst the military academies in terms of popularity/following. Even though they have been the better football program of the 3 most seasons.

SDSU easily has better media value than AFA, Same with Fresno, CSU? Harder to say, but both in basically the same market, and I think CSU easily beats them at least locally. Nationally? Mayeb AFA is better?

About a year ago WAZZU and OSU was a part of a 10 team conference that was offered 30 mil per school (without USC/UCLA). They were on the low end of that spectrum obviously, but how much are they worth? But just because they weren't worth 30-80 mil a year for a different P4, doesn't mean they are only worth 5 mil or less. They could be worth 10, 15, or 20 each and still be left behind. I think their partners really like them, which is what matters. They have historical data at least to back that up.

No question the PAC screwed up. But I think they truly went by what their media partners said. I don't think that we were blackballed by anyone. I mean really, you are going to let some petty BS hold you back from creating a solid conference that makes everyone's bottom line look good, especially when they are scrounging for an 8th?

No, I think they truly followed their metrics from what their media partners were willing to pay. I truly think they picked the 4 best in their eyes, tried to keep the poaching fees down by stopping at 4 and "shooting for the stars" AAC 4, then came back around to us as an option B.

Estimate for MWC media deal

I think it fully depends on the 8th member.

But they took our 4 or 5 best markets, and left all of the bad ones.

Every school we added is at or below our current Mean value in my estimation.

Currently their least valuable school, USU would be our mean more or less.

I think they get 10 easy if we truly are getting 6.
Not sure I agree. I would put Hawaii and Air Force up with any of the markets they took from the MWC. Air Force has there military tie in that always makes their games popular, and Hawaii has a good following with the islands and the Polynesian community.

Currently CSU is a poor step child of Colorado; SDSU had crowds between 18K and 25K with the one big exception being 31K at the Hawaii game, and they have never had any real media following being the poor step child to nearby USC and UCLA; Utah State will always be a far third to both Utah and byu; Fresno State has really good attendance to their games, but has never been able to move forward because Fresno is a very poor farming community and they just do not have the money for NIL and will likely continue along their existing path.

BSU is the exception to that with a program that is popular and has done well for decades.

Oregon State and Washington State couldn't get anyone to take them and are trying to hold on in relevance by going for what they perceive is the cream of the crop with the MWC, but screwed up in not going after Air Force and UNLV instead of settling for Utah State.

If the PAC is able to hit a home run and get a school like Memphis, then that may change my opinion, but for now, I think they screwed up playing a game of checkers when I hope UNLV is play chess!

As of Tuesday there should be an official approval by the NIU board to join the MWC, now the question is can they get a second team to join from that area or Texas to help increase the footprint and put the conference to an even 10 teams? The NIU win over Fresno State in the bowl game that was in the backyard of Fresno also doesn't hurt the overall perception of the MWC. The future PAC was 0-3 in bowl games and the future MWC was 2-1.

Estimate for MWC media deal

Hey Spencer Danielson was mostly an assistant under the worst coach in recent memory at Boise. A defensive assistant for a defensive minded head coach. He turned out very good.

You are new around here, but according to Rebel Net, because 1 out of 300 coaches is able to do it, it means that ANYONE can/should do it and you should expect nothing less than playoffs next season.
Especially with all that Rose Bowl money the Beaver fans keep waiving around in peoples faces... 50 million should be able to buy you a playoff team...
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Estimate for MWC media deal

Ok and OK. But in return we trade coaching staffs.

On my board they are canonizing our new FCS HC (he of 2 whole years as a HC) and drooling over our new assistants. Even though WSU is supposedly (direct from our AD's mouth) increasing our assistant pool from $3.6M to 4.5M, of our 6 asst. hires so far, 5 are from FCS and one from NAIA. And their sum total of FBS coaching experience is -0-.
Hey Spencer Danielson was mostly an assistant under the worst coach in recent memory at Boise. A defensive assistant for a defensive minded head coach. He turned out very good.

You are new around here, but according to Rebel Net, because 1 out of 300 coaches is able to do it, it means that ANYONE can/should do it and you should expect nothing less than playoffs next season.

Estimate for MWC media deal

Ok and OK. But in return we trade coaching staffs.

On my board they are canonizing our new FCS HC (he of 2 whole years as a HC) and drooling over our new assistants. Even though WSU is supposedly (direct from our AD's mouth) increasing our assistant pool from $3.6M to 4.5M, of our 6 asst. hires so far, 5 are from FCS and one from NAIA. And their sum total of FBS coaching experience is -0-.

I think Eck was the better hire by UNM. Eck revitalized a floundering Idaho program. You're guy took over the reigns of a team that was rolling.

This smells a lot like UNLV Bobby Hauck hire.

Estimate for MWC media deal

Ok and OK. But in return we trade coaching staffs.

On my board they are canonizing our new FCS HC (he of 2 whole years as a HC) and drooling over our new assistants. Even though WSU is supposedly (direct from our AD's mouth) increasing our assistant pool from $3.6M to 4.5M, of our 6 asst. hires so far, 5 are from FCS and one from NAIA. And their sum total of FBS coaching experience is -0-.
We've tried our hand with the FCS route and even tried our hand with a high school coach backed up by veteran FBS coordinators. Experimenting hasn't turned out too well for us. I'm sure you guys will have better luck. :cool:

Estimate for MWC media deal

Sure, here's the terms. You pay the full exit fee for UNLV and guarantee a minimum of $10 million per year in media money.
AND no exit fee if a P4 sends an invite.
Ok and OK. But in return we trade coaching staffs.

On my board they are canonizing our new FCS HC (he of 2 whole years as a HC) and drooling over our new assistants. Even though WSU is supposedly (direct from our AD's mouth) increasing our assistant pool from $3.6M to 4.5M, of our 6 asst. hires so far, 5 are from FCS and one from NAIA. And their sum total of FBS coaching experience is -0-.

UTEP gets former 5-Star QB

I think the view of him is he's this robotic turnstile that just handed the ball to Jeanty and that was it.

He made a lot of good throws against us. He converted a number of 3rd and 8+ throws to keep drives alive.

Penn States defense is insanely talented.

I'd take Madsen as QB for UNLV in a heartbeat.

He can play.

The 'game manager' tag is always viewed negatively implying a guy is the product of a system or not that great.

I think it's a stupid label. It's exactly what you want your QB to do. Play within the system. Don't turn the ball over. Make the 'easy' plays. The better QBs are the ones that can do that, but also deliver when things go off schedule or plays break down. Madsen did that plenty this year. He's accurate, throws with touch and he can hurt you with his legs a bit..

I'm not sure there is a better QB in the MWC right now.
I would take him over Hajj or Sluka 100x out of 100 and if we had traded Hajj for Madsen we would have beaten them in the title game 100%. I would take him over the new kid from VA too.
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Tony Sanchez Most Important UNLV Football Coach Ever?

I don't think so. I believe that SDSU and some others believed that they could stick it to UNLV. Otherwise, UNLV would have been offered before Memphis. I can't imagine SDSU, CSU and others allowing UNLV to have an out clause that they themselves did not possess. Furthermore, this difference in out clause is one of the reasons that many list UNLV as most likely from those choices to the Big 12. Without the large exit fee and with minimal debt, UNLV could afford to take one third or one quarter of the Big 12 norm. With their debt, the MWC exit fee and the the Pac exit fee, I doubt that SDSU could, even if offered. However, even if your assumption was true, would UNLV then have had the money for Mullen, his entire staff, increased NIL and profit sharing. Mullen, hist staff, larger NIL and profit sharing >>...>>> a membership in the Pac whatever. I believe that SDSU, not UNLV, will regret their decisions, if UNLV gets a Big 12 invite at a reduced payout. From a business perspective, this is opportunity cost.
SDSU may have thought that but we see how that worked out for them. At that point when they saw options dwindling I think we could have been the ones doing the sticking.

They haven't collected any of the fees yet so I can't imagine any of that is going to Mullen or increased NIL. Profit sharing possibly.

UTEP gets former 5-Star QB

Bottom line we basically forced Madsen to beat us when we were able to contain Jeanty, and he did just that.

He basically did the same against Penn State. Boise was able to move the ball and extend drives and in the second and third quarter and that was basically all Madsen.

He is an easy guy to hate on, but part of the reason he is hate-able is because he is a good player.

100%..

Is he an NFL guy? No...But he's a damn good QB. Did having Jeanty give him some favorable looks. Yep. But when he needed to make a play this year he was more than capable.

Estimate for MWC media deal

Thanks for the link. Apparently I missed the wrinkle of the alleged Pac offer and accompanying $6M. 3 months ago!

That said, wouldya couldya reconsider now? The Pac is pretty much f-ed. Bet they (we) would agree to just about anything. :)
Sure, here's the terms. You pay the full exit fee for UNLV and guarantee a minimum of $10 million per year in media money.

Estimate for MWC media deal

Harper is our AD

Thanks for the link. Apparently I missed the wrinkle of the alleged Pac offer and accompanying $6M. 3 months ago!

That said, wouldya couldya reconsider now? The Pac is pretty much f-ed. Bet they (we) would agree to just about anything. :)
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UTEP gets former 5-Star QB

Bottom line we basically forced Madsen to beat us when we were able to contain Jeanty, and he did just that.

He basically did the same against Penn State. Boise was able to move the ball and extend drives and in the second and third quarter and that was basically all Madsen.

He is an easy guy to hate on, but part of the reason he is hate-able is because he is a good player.

Estimate for MWC media deal

I think they get 5-6.

PAC gets 8-10.

Boise is pissed. Since it's only a million more than they are getting now.
I think it fully depends on the 8th member.

But they took our 4 or 5 best markets, and left all of the bad ones.

Every school we added is at or below our current Mean value in my estimation.

Currently their least valuable school, USU would be our mean more or less.

I think they get 10 easy if we truly are getting 6.
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