dcut03 said:

I really wonder what happens if the ACC blows up for the NoCal schools.

They are the only exceptions to the rule of chasing money. They opted to not take any money AND travel across country rather than be shackled with the PAC 2, for seemingly academic reasons.

The suggested new PAC 8 isn't that bad academically, but some aren't very good at all. I can see them going indy before rejoining the PAC again. Which is ridiculous btw, but it would track with their previous decisions.

Or they can finally smarten up ( oh the Irony) and rejoin the league and actually get some money to help pay for the exponentially increased overhead to compete in college athletics.

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Indy is a tough way to go unless you're Notre Dame...

BYU found that out..

It certainly feels like there is some smoke to this fire, or at least they are trying to do this. A few months back it sure looked like a merger/reverse merger was imminent, then negotiations stalled and there hasn't been a peep since. Why wait if this is what they want to do? They are getting screwed in the meantime competitively.
They probably looked at what the bottom line per school would be with that new conference and did not like it. Again makes sense.

Meister_Rebel said:

If they announce on 8/2/25 that would give us the one year notice to leave the MWC on 8/3/26. I'm not following you on how the fees would be as low as 5.5 million. I wouldn't put it past Gloria to nail us with a bill for about $20 million in exit fees on 8/3/25. Remember they sent a bill to SDSU for $17 million when SDSU was going to leave for an uninvited slot to the Pac-12 the day they gave notice. That is brutal for us to have to pay out $20 million to leave with no media contract in place with the Pac-12.

Still, I don't like that window. September 1, 2024 is that date the Pac-2 has to sign for that 2nd year of the Scheduling Agreement. If they sign then the MWC schools could then give 1 year notice in August 2026 and then we wouldn't be in the Pac-8 until 2027.

If they don't sign in September then the earliest would be Fall of 2026 with exit fees as I mentioned in the first paragraph.

This guy posting on Twitter/X are not putting in the homework to see the finer details of this. They should research before they hit their keyboards.

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The fees are based off a contract. We don't have a new contract.
They have established fees to try to protect from teams bailing, but it isn't airtight.
The fee kicks in if the Pac-12 “makes an invitation to join the conference and the school accepts before the two-year anniversary of the contract’s initial term expiration date of Aug. 1, 2025.” The withdrawal fee begins at $10M for the first school and “rises by $500,000 for each school beyond that.”
No mention of a fee after 8/2/25. Without the new contract, the MW only has the remaining year of their contract as leverage. The end of that 2 year agreement is at the end of the 25-26 season.
Re-upping for the second year of the agreement seems like an easy move to make, if they want to reduce the fees. Though I can see them biting the bullet and paying fees up front, because they are getting competitively screwed in these 2 years. No NCAAT auto birth, and a VERY tough road to the college playoff. But add up all of those fees that is 100.5 mil total, probably not worth it. The schools could pay 5 mil a year a piece for 2 or 3 years to subsidize, but the PAC would have to eat some of that.
The departing schools have to stall contract negotiations for another 14 months. Not hard to do, the PAC 12 schools did that very easily. Especially when the departing schools are in the markets with the most clout.
After August the language sure sounds like the big exit fees are completely gone. the 5.5 mil fee makes sense at that point that the article referenced that sounded like a standard fee and would be about the same as one year of the contract money.
If we announce in that window August 2 2025, then it sure looks like the new PAC 8 could start in 2026.
The SDUS 17.5 mil fee was based off the remaining contract. It would have been half if they tried to stay in the MW for an additional year.

dcut03 said:

There is a window here, and it isn't that crazy.

The departing 6 schools announce on 8/2/25, and are set to join in 2027 or 2026, not sure on the language there. Then the fees may be as low as 5.5 mil per school. Which I'm sure the PAC could eat some of that.

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If they announce on 8/2/25 that would give us the one year notice to leave the MWC on 8/3/26. I'm not following you on how the fees would be as low as 5.5 million. I wouldn't put it past Gloria to nail us with a bill for about $20 million in exit fees on 8/3/25. Remember they sent a bill to SDSU for $17 million when SDSU was going to leave for an uninvited slot to the Pac-12 the day they gave notice. That is brutal for us to have to pay out $20 million to leave with no media contract in place with the Pac-12.

Still, I don't like that window. September 1, 2024 is that date the Pac-2 has to sign for that 2nd year of the Scheduling Agreement. If they sign then the MWC schools could then give 1 year notice in August 2026 and then we wouldn't be in the Pac-8 until 2027.

If they don't sign in September then the earliest would be Fall of 2026 with exit fees as I mentioned in the first paragraph.

This guy posting on Twitter/X are not putting in the homework to see the finer details of this. They should research before they hit their keyboards.

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Pac 2 re-ups their agreement for year2

Even with fees, are the PAC 2 happy about reducing their annual TV contract by half just to not pay fees up front? Are the MW 6 happy to do that as well?

What is stupid is creating a 14 team conference that is already diluted where it would be tough to add possible ACC defector or make an agreement with leftover ACC teams. Keeping things trim keeps those options open for the future.

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RebelScrub said:

With Rebel Basketball..they should be free to the public.

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Or pay us to attend in tickets for actual games.

Rebel1986 said:

https://247sports.com/season/2025-football/compositeteamrankings/?Conference=MW

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Reno has the most commits but falls into the bottom half of that list, as only 2 are 3-star. Looks like Choate needs numbers and he'll see if he can develop them later.

Maxson has returned….somehow.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Seems lean but if you think about it who else would not be dead weight in the MWC (Not trashing programs but TV markets).

I think and expansion fron 8 would include the following candidates.

As unappealing as it would be for a lot of WSU/OSU fans, taking Cal and possibly Stanford back if ACC collapses would seem a no brainer to me.

I think in that scenario you then pursue SMU and try and get UTSA to get into Texas market.

That would be a pretty solid football conference and not a bad basketball conference.

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I really wonder what happens if the ACC blows up for the NoCal schools.

They are the only exceptions to the rule of chasing money. They opted to not take any money AND travel across country rather than be shackled with the PAC 2, for seemingly academic reasons.

The suggested new PAC 8 isn't that bad academically, but some aren't very good at all. I can see them going indy before rejoining the PAC again. Which is ridiculous btw, but it would track with their previous decisions.

Or they can finally smarten up ( oh the Irony) and rejoin the league and actually get some money to help pay for the exponentially increased overhead to compete in college athletics.

In other exciting scheduling news, Omaha is playing in the T&M next year. Hopefully that's part of a doubleheader and we schedule a legit team for the game immediately after.

Sorry to hear about his son. That news devastates families!

Leonard, Duran, Hearns, etc. Those were fights not 'let's protect guys from injuries.' Injuries happen in sports. Protect yourself at all times.

LocoRebel said:

We just saw Texas and Oklahoma leave for greener pastures. We saw 10 members of a 12 team Pac-12 leave for money. 2 of em said we'll do it with half the money to not be stuck. Why would anyone left, including us in the MWC, expect different than trying to turn the corner to national relevance?

If these 8 teams in a different conference match the TV payout of the MWC (seems like that's the minimum that would happen), at worst, it's fewer schools to split with. Maybe a benefit of this would be to get out from the awful bowl tie-ins. To get out from the poorly negotiated deal with BSU. Fewer mouths to feed from the NCAA tourney revenue that SDSU gives everyone. There's lots of small reasons to consider it. Obviously it has to make sense, and for only 6 MWC teams to leave and be on the hook for $9m per school (assuming Pac2 assist with that?), that means money and exposure above all.

Having possibly the 6 most visible MWC schools plus 2 former Pac 12 teams and losing Reno, SJSU, Hawaii, USU, Wyoming, and UNM isn't the worst thought. It's probably not the best way either, but that's why I'm not an AD or college president... or anything close.

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Masked_rebel said:

How is this any better than the MWC? Honestly, it's like MWC lite... why would TV contracts be any better than with the 10-12 MWC schools? Besides watching Reno and UNM fans cry about being left in the dust, this conference alignment smells like a bunch of programs who are more likely to disband on each other at the next bigger offer than stick together and make a true P5 conference

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The reason is simple, money! Competitively it may not be much better than the MW. We would be cutting out some decent football teams and some decent basketball teams.

But taking all of the best markets from the MW is going to drive the per team payouts significantly.

and if they add teams from the ACC fallout that will boost payouts more.

This will still be a huge step down from the power conferences, by a mile. But it could be the best payouts of the rest.

Meister_Rebel said:

Key points:

If the Pac-2 doesn't sign up for the 2nd year of the Scheduling Agreement which has to be signed by 09-01-2024 then maybe, big fkin maybe, there is some smell to that fart of a tweet. Even if there is a smell then if any kind of announcement is made prior to 08/02/2025 then the Pac-2 WILL have to pay withdrawal fees per the Scheduling Agreement. At that point which MWC team is going to risk paying double the $20 million dollars exit fees for less than one year notice to begin the 2025 Pac-8 football season? No one. We couldn't afford the $40 million dollar exit fee and the Pac-2 would be STUPID to pay the withdrawal fee. If we give notice following 08/02/2025 then we wouldn't be available to join the Pac-8 until the 2026 season provided we are willing to pay the $20 million exit fee at that time. In the mean time the Pac-2 will have to play the 2025 season of football as independents unless they invite some WAC, Sunbelt, AAC, or some other cross country teams. Good luck with that.

This tweet is all nonsense and unbelievable.

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There is a window here, and it isn't that crazy.

The departing 6 schools announce on 8/2/25, and are set to join in 2027 or 2026, not sure on the language there. Then the fees may be as low as 5.5 mil per school. Which I'm sure the PAC could eat some of that.

Pac 2 re-ups their agreement for year2

Even with fees, are the PAC 2 happy about reducing their annual TV contract by half just to not pay fees up front? Are the MW 6 happy to do that as well?

What is stupid is creating a 14 team conference that is already diluted where it would be tough to add possible ACC defector or make an agreement with leftover ACC teams. Keeping things trim keeps those options open for the future.

Masked_rebel said:

this conference alignment smells like a bunch of programs who are more likely to disband on each other at the next bigger offer

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We just saw Texas and Oklahoma leave for greener pastures. We saw 10 members of a 12 team Pac-12 leave for money. 2 of em said we'll do it with half the money to not be stuck. Why would anyone left, including us in the MWC, expect different than trying to turn the corner to national relevance?

If these 8 teams in a different conference match the TV payout of the MWC (seems like that's the minimum that would happen), at worst, it's fewer schools to split with. Maybe a benefit of this would be to get out from the awful bowl tie-ins. To get out from the poorly negotiated deal with BSU. Fewer mouths to feed from the NCAA tourney revenue that SDSU gives everyone. There's lots of small reasons to consider it. Obviously it has to make sense, and for only 6 MWC teams to leave and be on the hook for $9m per school (assuming Pac2 assist with that?), that means money and exposure above all.

Having possibly the 6 most visible MWC schools plus 2 former Pac 12 teams and losing Reno, SJSU, Hawaii, USU, Wyoming, and UNM isn't the worst thought. It's probably not the best way either, but that's why I'm not an AD or college president... or anything close.

reblife702 said:

We didnt think that you meant it in any negative way. We were simply saying that when these young men make their announcements public, there will be a full list. DL Blake Robinett from Texas just announced this morning.

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Thank you

He makes thing looks easy. Oregon State is our highest competitor

Watched Leonard vs Duran 1 because today is the day it happened some blank blank years ago and watched it with my roommate.

Holy f’n hell. I think it’s one of the best fit ever saw. These guys throw punches non stop for 15 rounds.

Hard to tell who won..I mean I can’t score boxing anyways.

Weird to see the ref actually let them fight instead of separating them.

Oh and in other news..Roy Jones Jr’s son commits suicide. Awful awful news.

How is this any better than the MWC? Honestly, it's like MWC lite... why would TV contracts be any better than with the 10-12 MWC schools? Besides watching Reno and UNM fans cry about being left in the dust, this conference alignment smells like a bunch of programs who are more likely to disband on each other at the next bigger offer than stick together and make a true P5 conference

InZoneU said:

Hangover was always just a bad rip-off of Very Bad Things. Check that one out. Much better actors and can never go wrong with Daniel Stern.

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It got freakin worse. I don’t think I ever saw the third movie.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

You mean I'm not the only one on the planet who doesn't do Twitter or Instagram or any of that shit? I do have Facebook but it's so locked down that I can barely get into it.

OT - I have never been to Vegas (promise to visit after the MW lets my soon to be groveling Cougs into the conference) but I watched The Hangover and parts of Hangover 3 last night. That scene where they come over the rise at night with Vegas in the distance is pretty cool. I like girls, but that Bradley Cooper? I'd let him do me......

Oh and I see that Rivals re-branded. Not impressed.

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I was at Sam Boyd when you guys came and thrashed us.

I was walking back to the car on your side of the stadium and some trailer trash frmale UNLV fan was talking smack. I was kinda embarassed.

Like if you click on Media it gives you some sources that can be used. Is that what you mean?

Loyal Coug1 said:

OT - I have never been to Vegas (promise to visit after the MW lets my soon to be groveling Cougs into the conference) but I watched The Hangover and parts of Hangover 3 last night. That scene where they come over the rise at night with Vegas in the distance is pretty cool. I like girls, but that Bradley Cooper? I'd let him do me......

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Hangover was always just a bad rip-off of Very Bad Things. Check that one out. Much better actors and can never go wrong with Daniel Stern.

Rebel1986 said:

Didn't mean it that way, I just thought they had already announced, and since I do not have twitter, I had just missed it.

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We didnt think that you meant it in any negative way. We were simply saying that when these young men make their announcements public, there will be a full list. DL Blake Robinett from Texas just announced this morning.

Loyal Coug1 said:

You mean I'm not the only one on the planet who doesn't do Twitter or Instagram or any of that shit? I do have Facebook but it's so locked down that I can barely get into it.

OT - I have never been to Vegas (promise to visit after the MW lets my soon to be groveling Cougs into the conference) but I watched The Hangover and parts of Hangover 3 last night. That scene where they come over the rise at night with Vegas in the distance is pretty cool. I like girls, but that Bradley Cooper? I'd let him do me......

Oh and I see that Rivals re-branded. Not impressed.

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Only if Bradley Cooper looks like her!