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Estimate for MWC media deal

Good points here.

A couple of things though, I don't think it would have affected the Mullen hire. Let's just say that his contract may not have used any of the funds heading our way to finance it, meaning that it was done with nearly all outside help. It is no secret that Harper said he will be looking for outside help for the Odom extension, and by extension Mullen. Which is the smart thing, because none of that money is guaranteed. And 14 mil of that is tied to poaching fees that could be thrown out entirely.

Where it could be more of a factor is a new Basketball coach. I think it will be harder to get outside money for that, just because the fan support has been so low.

As for estimating exit fees, who knows how to look at that. Truth is the MW's fees are so high compared to the national average. They are basically 3 times the best media year, when the standard rate has been 2 years of the base rate (with a 2 year warning).

The recent 4 departures from the AAC settled for 2 years of the base media value.

The pac 12's fees were less than 1/2 of one year media value, and THAT number got reduced to 65%

When OU and Texas left the Big 12, they were on the hook for 160 mil or 80 mil a piece which I believe 2 years of their media revenue or pretty close to it, it was agreed at 100 mil, which is 62.5% of their fees.

If you look at the distribution, it looks like the MW was expecting a reduction of exit fees to 11 mil per school or less. Which would be the remaining base media value per school ( not counting the bonuses that Boise received). 55 mil in poaching + 55 mil in exit fees ( 5 x 11) = the total MAX distribution for the MOR of 110 mil.

I think a maximum of 11 mil per school is somewhat safe, since it certainly seems that what the MW was expecting/budgeting using their own numbers of distribution.

Throw in the 6 mil of help from the PAC, 5 mil or less isn't too bad. Paying 5 vs getting 14 is a 19 mil swing for sure up front. Assuming the poaching fees hold up in full (which I pretty much am). The rest of the payment is somewhat neglible. I think it is safe to say that the PAC will get more than 1.8 mil above what the MW will get.

So breaking even on your investment to the PAC won't take very long. It could be in the first year. Making up the 14 mil? That could take a few years more, but the point where total money made in the PAC breaks even and then surpassed could be pretty soon.

We may need that money now to fire and hire a basketball coach.
You could be right about external money being there for Mullen… so MAYBE you can exclude the downside on that aspect, though there was no hard cost associated with it.

But I’m not sure where you come up with “getting $14 million vs paying $5million” and having it be a $19 million swing…

I know where you’re getting the $5million, but you’re basing that on a starting number of $16 million per school. Everything I’ve read has that number as $18 million. If as you say (and I think that’s safe) the number in the MOU is based on $11 million per school then that cost is $7 million and not $5 million. Not a monster difference, but a difference nonetheless.

But the $14 million?

If as you say, the poaching fees hold up, and the exit fees get negotiated down to $11 million per school, then you’re at $110 million…

Per the MOU here are the distributions and their order:

1st $61 million - UNLV gets 24.5%=$14,950,000
Next $18 million conference “recruiting reserve”
Next $21 million- UNLV gets 24.5% =$5,145,000
(Pretty sure that’s where the annual payments of $1.5-$1.8 come in)

There’s $100 million.

After that the MW pays legal fees, then any remaining funds get split with all members at 16% and Hawaii gets 6%.

So right there you’ve got $20million + the $11million settled exit fee - $6million in assistance from the PAC and you’re at a $25 million swing.

That’s $4million per year over the course of any new 6 year deal you might get with the PAC and as of right now I don’t think they’re gonna get that.

Official : NIU to the Mountain West

If the MWC is going to go the FCS route, then I don’t care what the market size is. You go after either NDSU, SDSU, Montana or Montana St. or any combination of the 4. Nobody else will move the needle.
All of those move the needle, but the wrong direction, that doesn't even consider the 5 million upfront fee to elevate each school.

I am not a fan of upgrading a FCS school. They rarely come out successful, most struggle, and they all start in weaker conferences than what the MW will be. Not a lot of historical evidence to prove that they will be good enough.

And that is just competitively. I cannot see any individual school being better than the new MW mean in terms of media value. I think they are all below the new MW mean, which is already low. Add those 4 and that is 20 million dollars gone from the upgrade fees ( unless these schools can afford to pay that themselves) Likely it will be taken out of the MOA bonus we have all been counting on. Add those for and take a 1.5 mill over the base media easy.

I just don't see the point.

Hell, even if UCDavis or GCU wants to get into FBS football, I think they need to prove it in the CUSA or Sunbelt or something before the MW takes them as a full member.

Official : NIU to the Mountain West

Tarleton St. is being thrown out there because they have that Texas market/money... you're not talking about UT or even TT but these Texas school alumni bases move into those large markets and you then you get people tuning into Dallas or Austin or SA market...yes, not as great a share or anywhere near the people watching those big schools, but Texas market on a sports network is still the Texas market.

New Commit for Rebs

Someone, maybe Bull, said moneyball to describe our operation and that is correct. If you remember the movie, it was never about just getting cheap players, it was about finding value from different metrics and watching games nobody really looks at.

This means looking at a lot of tape and pouring over every report. It’s no different than the nfl draft, players slip through the cracks and it’s CDM’s job to find those guys. The NIL component gives UNLV leverage over the Boise states etc.

There’s zero reason why UNLV cannot represent in the playoffs for the G5.

To simplify it all. (And I'm terrible at math)

Say UNLV has $100 in NIL to spend. UVA has $200

Camac wants $25 dollars in NIL money.

UNLV can afford it. But it eats up too much of the NIL budget. So you pass on it. You go grab 3 guys for $10 each and hope you get better through the aggregate.

New Commit for Rebs

Someone, maybe Bull, said moneyball to describe our operation and that is correct. If you remember the movie, it was never about just getting cheap players, it was about finding value from different metrics and watching games nobody really looks at.

This means looking at a lot of tape and pouring over every report. It’s no different than the nfl draft, players slip through the cracks and it’s CDM’s job to find those guys. The NIL component gives UNLV leverage over the Boise states etc.

There’s zero reason why UNLV cannot represent in the playoffs for the G5.

Official : NIU to the Mountain West

If the MWC is going to go the FCS route, then I do t care what the market size is. You go after either NDSU, SDSU, Montana or Montana St. or any combination of the 4. Nobody else will move the needle.

Yep. I know they are all tiny markets. Even combining Montana and North and South Dakota you don't get to 3 million people. North and South Dakota each are roughly the size of El Paso in terms of population. However you would absolutely own those three markets. There are no other FBS schools to compete with.

Plus all four are solid programs as close to FBS level as you could be as an FCS program.

I keep seeing Tarleton State brought up. I looked into them a bit and they have definitely invested heavily in sthletics recently. Their avg home attendance is better than a few of the current MWC/PAC schools at around 18k. Being a Texas school I get some of the appeal. Texas is football crazed. The state is massive in terms of population. But at some point there are diminishing returns. I can't imagine they would have much market penetration. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, all eat up a lot of the viewership. And then you have North Texas, Texas State, Rice, Sam Houston State and UTEP taking up even more. Tarleton is interesting but I'd much rather have any of the Montana or Dakota schools.
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