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Kinda odd

I'm guessing a few members of the new staff are getting their contracts finalized. May still be involved in bowl games or just wrapped up.

Once that's finalized we may see a flurry of new portal offers..(Arnett) Some Mississippi State and Ole Miss guys may be in play.
Might snipe some OSU kids too. Not the beavers, or the pokes, but the buckeyes.

Kinda odd

Well that’s good, I just figured everyone would be posting those Twitter links on here, I’ve only seen a couple posted on here so far, I was getting nervous
There’s guys from Wisconsin and ole Miss being offered. There’s also lower FCS guys as well.

At the end of the day it’s about who signs and how Mullen coaches them up.

Kinda odd

There’s been like 30-40 players offered. Mullen is still working the staff obviously but it’s not a one man show as everyone thinks it is. There’s coaches in place and still recruiting.
Well that’s good, I just figured everyone would be posting those Twitter links on here, I’ve only seen a couple posted on here so far, I was getting nervous
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It's all G5....

Well if that shocked you. DO NOT Google UTEP football results. I repeat DO NOT GOOGLE UTEP football results.
UTEP has been terrible, yes. But with a little love, they’re in a better spot than UNLV was during the Sanford and Hauck eras. Their facility and stadium are pretty nice. That town will support a winner. UTEP’s first home game 41.6k. It dropped off dramatically after that, but the potential is there.

They don’t have the nfl stadium coming. But if they could break even for a couple of seasons, they’ll be sitting pretty.

They have one big billionaire booster. He’s pretty spotty with his support, but he didn’t blink to give UTEP $2.5 to move to the MW.

Camac has gone portaling

A mediocre SEC team Florida smoked Tulane today who is comparable to our better competition. Remember that linebacker from Florida couple years ago who didn't play there and who was the stud here.. can't remember his name. I really think Mullen will bring in those kind of players
Wasn’t Tulane using their backup quarterback?

It's all G5....

Ultimately I will say I like the idea to stay, even if it is a long shot. Getting into the P4 should be the priority period. It is the only long term solution to make things really help the program.

But I have a few exceptions a couple of your points.

2.5 years is the short term, with that gets held up with no reductions, expect UNLV to get the maximum amount promised them in the lump sum, which is 14 million.

This is from UNLV after the initial announcement of the MOR, before any lawsuits.

"According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available. "

If the poaching fee lawsuit gets reduced then that lump sum will also reduce.


Then it is an extra 1.5-1.8 over just 6 years. Not great.

Given recent moves I think the base PAC deal will easily be double the base MW deal. if they get 10 we get 5, if they get 12, we may still get 5.

Exit fees will be negotiated like they always do. Until realignment happens and this doesn't occur (hasn't yet) then we should not be expecting the full values.

Given how egregious our fees are compared to the media value, hard to say what they get knocked down to. Less egregious fees have been reduced to 50% Just look at the PAC last year.


A lot of the numbers seem to be equivalent to roughly the value of 2 years of the base contract. Next season our base value is 5 mil since we don't have the scheduling agreement with the PAC 2. So I think a safe estimate is 11 mil per school. Though it could easily be less. If the poaching fees do hold up, I think it will be used against the MW in negotiations.

The promised money is all "estimated". Mostly because the conference does not have a war chest of millions of dollars to spend. It is estimated because fees are not set in stone their value, and there are potential costs with adding additional schools. Do we have to help with exit fees, or FCS to FBS fees? The extra 1.5-1.8 could easily be reduced if negotiated fees are lower than the MW estimated and/or there are higher costs with expansion than anticipated.

So if the the poaching fees hold up, that gives us a 10-14 mil head start, but we would be losing out on 3- 5 mil a year after that.

If we were to take the offer, which included 6 mil in exit fees from the PAC. We would be looking at likely 5 mil in exit fees for us. If we decided to play that over time than that is just 2 mil a year for 3 years. It does take long to pay that off.

I agree having money up front for UNLV is a factor we had to extend Odom or find a top notch replacement which we did, and we likely have to find a basketball coach as well.

I just don't think it would have taken long at all to make up the difference from the move.

The bad part to the MOR is a commitment until 2032. So I am not sure if that language does anything to raise our exit fees or hurt our negotiations with exit fees if we decide to join the PAC later. Which is totally an option, and I can see it happening down the road still. But I still think we ultimately would lose money joining the PAC later than now.

But joining the PAC all but shuts the door on the Big12. At least it feels that way. So that is why I like the decision to stay.
Not gonna do a whole breakdown tonight, or probably tomorrow either (you’re welcome fellas)… but I do understand where you’re coming from.

Based on our posts, I think you might be a hair too pessimistic, and you might think I’m a bit too optimistic… it’ll be some time before we find out I’m right…

😬

Just kidding obviously…

A lot of gray and too many unknowns to continue to “argue”(not saying we are)… just too much has to play out.

Two things I do/don’t know…

There IS risk to the choice…

I don’t know how much of a choice we REALLY had.

We agree that the right choice was made (I think), now we gotta let it play out. I personally am excited for the first time in a long time and am proud of the moves THE University of Nevada Las Vegas has made.
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