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It's all G5....

That's not the original ask... You ask if all things being considered equal which jobs Id take if you had your pick. I laid out reasons why for each one. There is not precedence for a "Barry Odom" in any spot in the MWC, but if you were talking about jobs with great facilities and fans that would pony up for the right coach, Absolutely Wyoming is program with history, has shown its ability to produce NFL talent and has as I was informed earlier this year really nice new facilities. You throw a Barry Odom into any spot other than Reno and they're probably making the same push because the pathway to the G5 championship and playoff birth has been simplified. Heck CSU played nobody, lost all their big non-conference games, went on a winning streak against all the bottom feeding MWC teams and was getting votes... You dont think playing a simple schedule with 1 decent team and then winning 11 straight regardless of the conference doesn't put you in a playoff position every year?

I might take the Wyoming job over USU. That's about it.

They do have good facilities and they have shown investment in the past. But recruiting to Laramie isn't easy and they will have to increase NIL substantially.

I think I can get into the top 25 with any of the PAC schools quicker than I could any of the remaining MWC schools.
 
I worded it wrong I guess. I figured it would be assumed that the question was 'Where can you have the most success would mean building a CFP contender' not 'Win 6 games and bolt to a bigger job'.

'You dont think playing a simple schedule with 1 decent team and then winning 11 straight regardless of the conference doesn't put you in a playoff position every year?'

Yes but that's assuming that nobody else is doing that in other conferences.

What schools have the higher ceilings? Potential etc.

I can't point to one MWC school remaining...
Yeah, but you cant do that same exercise for the Pac 12 either. Thats the issue with the entire conference basically being mediocre at football, as well as the Pac 12 schools- WSU played the a slew of bottom tier MWC teams and when it played the better teams even borderline teams like UNM and Wyoming they lost. I called the conference the Mediocre West for a reason and there's not a single school that you can say they'd be able to be competing for a playoff spot with out saying just about every other school between both conferences with that exact set of circumstances could do as well...
Any program with the right hire (outside Reno) could pull a Barry Odom because the majority of the conference suck or at best are slightly better than a .500 team. Each one would run into the same problem of a loss outside of any team not named Boise or UNLV sinking their entire season from a CFP perspective. Thats not changing in 2 years when the Pac 12 starts playing each other. They will absolutely wallow around in mediocrity much the same way they do here. Its a historic issue outside that 1 or 2 year "Odom" style run.
 
Yeah, but you cant do that same exercise for the Pac 12 either. Thats the issue with the entire conference basically being mediocre at football, as well as the Pac 12 schools- WSU played the a slew of bottom tier MWC teams and when it played the better teams even borderline teams like UNM and Wyoming they lost. I called the conference the Mediocre West for a reason and there's not a single school that you can say they'd be able to be competing for a playoff spot with out saying just about every other school between both conferences with that exact set of circumstances could do as well...
Any program with the right hire (outside Reno) could pull a Barry Odom because the majority of the conference suck or at best are slightly better than a .500 team. Each one would run into the same problem of a loss outside of any team not named Boise or UNLV sinking their entire season from a CFP perspective. Thats not changing in 2 years when the Pac 12 starts playing each other. They will absolutely wallow around in mediocrity much the same way they do here. Its a historic issue outside that 1 or 2 year "Odom" style run.

Ok. We'll see in a couple years..

Personally the PAC top to bottom has the most schools with upside and potential.

We have Reno and UNM.
 
I might take the Wyoming job over USU. That's about it.

They do have good facilities and they have shown investment in the past. But recruiting to Laramie isn't easy and they will have to increase NIL substantially.

I think I can get into the top 25 with any of the PAC schools quicker than I could any of the remaining MWC schools.
SJSU pays more than any other school in the MWC prior to the UNLV deal as far as I know with a 2024 pay of $2.3 million per year..
 
#1 would be the MWC - UNLV pays 3X what BSU pays.

Removing BSU and UNLV for the last 4 seasons and skipping the covid partial year (number of years winning record/losing record):
Without question this was a bad year for several teams.

Air Force, they are 40-12 over the prior (4-0)
CSU (0-4)
Fresno State (3-1)
New Mexico (0-4)
SDSU (3-1)
SJSU (2-2
Hawaii (1-3) Without a new stadium they will struggle, so I hope a new stadium was a condition of full membership
Nevada (2-2)
Wyoming (4-0)
Utah State (2-2)

In the four prior years without including BSU or UNLV:
MWC teams 13 winning and 11 losing seasons
MWC to the PAC teams 8 winning and 8 losing

As for Washington State and Oregon State, we will need to see how quickly they fall with all of their funding dried up. If you did include these two teams, they went 5-3 winning to losing seasons.

Wasn't the question really.

Based on known amenities, known booster support etc.

You're job is to get into the top 25 and possibly get into the CFP.

You have your pick of the litter of remaining PAC/MWC schools aside from Boise and UNLV.

I don't think there's a current MWC school I would take the job at over any of the departing schools or WSU/OSU. I think those schools have higher ceilings than what remains in the MWC.
 
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Ultimately I will say I like the idea to stay, even if it is a long shot. Getting into the P4 should be the priority period. It is the only long term solution to make things really help the program.

But I have a few exceptions a couple of your points.

2.5 years is the short term, with that gets held up with no reductions, expect UNLV to get the maximum amount promised them in the lump sum, which is 14 million.

This is from UNLV after the initial announcement of the MOR, before any lawsuits.

"According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available. "

If the poaching fee lawsuit gets reduced then that lump sum will also reduce.


Then it is an extra 1.5-1.8 over just 6 years. Not great.

Given recent moves I think the base PAC deal will easily be double the base MW deal. if they get 10 we get 5, if they get 12, we may still get 5.

Exit fees will be negotiated like they always do. Until realignment happens and this doesn't occur (hasn't yet) then we should not be expecting the full values.

Given how egregious our fees are compared to the media value, hard to say what they get knocked down to. Less egregious fees have been reduced to 50% Just look at the PAC last year.


A lot of the numbers seem to be equivalent to roughly the value of 2 years of the base contract. Next season our base value is 5 mil since we don't have the scheduling agreement with the PAC 2. So I think a safe estimate is 11 mil per school. Though it could easily be less. If the poaching fees do hold up, I think it will be used against the MW in negotiations.

The promised money is all "estimated". Mostly because the conference does not have a war chest of millions of dollars to spend. It is estimated because fees are not set in stone their value, and there are potential costs with adding additional schools. Do we have to help with exit fees, or FCS to FBS fees? The extra 1.5-1.8 could easily be reduced if negotiated fees are lower than the MW estimated and/or there are higher costs with expansion than anticipated.

So if the the poaching fees hold up, that gives us a 10-14 mil head start, but we would be losing out on 3- 5 mil a year after that.

If we were to take the offer, which included 6 mil in exit fees from the PAC. We would be looking at likely 5 mil in exit fees for us. If we decided to play that over time than that is just 2 mil a year for 3 years. It does take long to pay that off.

I agree having money up front for UNLV is a factor we had to extend Odom or find a top notch replacement which we did, and we likely have to find a basketball coach as well.

I just don't think it would have taken long at all to make up the difference from the move.

The bad part to the MOR is a commitment until 2032. So I am not sure if that language does anything to raise our exit fees or hurt our negotiations with exit fees if we decide to join the PAC later. Which is totally an option, and I can see it happening down the road still. But I still think we ultimately would lose money joining the PAC later than now.

But joining the PAC all but shuts the door on the Big12. At least it feels that way. So that is why I like the decision to stay.
Not gonna do a whole breakdown tonight, or probably tomorrow either (you’re welcome fellas)… but I do understand where you’re coming from.

Based on our posts, I think you might be a hair too pessimistic, and you might think I’m a bit too optimistic… it’ll be some time before we find out I’m right…

😬

Just kidding obviously…

A lot of gray and too many unknowns to continue to “argue”(not saying we are)… just too much has to play out.

Two things I do/don’t know…

There IS risk to the choice…

I don’t know how much of a choice we REALLY had.

We agree that the right choice was made (I think), now we gotta let it play out. I personally am excited for the first time in a long time and am proud of the moves THE University of Nevada Las Vegas has made.
 
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Well if that shocked you. DO NOT Google UTEP football results. I repeat DO NOT GOOGLE UTEP football results.
UTEP has been terrible, yes. But with a little love, they’re in a better spot than UNLV was during the Sanford and Hauck eras. Their facility and stadium are pretty nice. That town will support a winner. UTEP’s first home game 41.6k. It dropped off dramatically after that, but the potential is there.

They don’t have the nfl stadium coming. But if they could break even for a couple of seasons, they’ll be sitting pretty.

They have one big billionaire booster. He’s pretty spotty with his support, but he didn’t blink to give UTEP $2.5 to move to the MW.
 
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