I’m too lazy.
There’s guys from Wisconsin and ole Miss being offered. There’s also lower FCS guys as well.Well that’s good, I just figured everyone would be posting those Twitter links on here, I’ve only seen a couple posted on here so far, I was getting nervous
George Soros bought twitter???I got a lifetime twitter ban a couple years ago and it never got reinstated when clown boy bought it. So I just see what gets posted here from twitter.
I’m too lazy.Well that’s good, I just figured everyone would be posting those Twitter links on here, I’ve only seen a couple posted on here so far, I was getting nervous
You've been. . . . Thunderstruck!AC/DC in the pregame show! lol
Unfortunately bowl games have become secondary to many of the players. Lucky for UNLV that most of the players showed up since we lost two of the three main coaches for the game.Wasn’t Tulane using their backup quarterback?
Go on twitter. I’ve seen 20+ portal players today that have been offered.
Well that’s good, I just figured everyone would be posting those Twitter links on here, I’ve only seen a couple posted on here so far, I was getting nervousThere’s been like 30-40 players offered. Mullen is still working the staff obviously but it’s not a one man show as everyone thinks it is. There’s coaches in place and still recruiting.
UTEP has been terrible, yes. But with a little love, they’re in a better spot than UNLV was during the Sanford and Hauck eras. Their facility and stadium are pretty nice. That town will support a winner. UTEP’s first home game 41.6k. It dropped off dramatically after that, but the potential is there.Well if that shocked you. DO NOT Google UTEP football results. I repeat DO NOT GOOGLE UTEP football results.
I got a lifetime twitter ban a couple years ago and it never got reinstated when clown boy bought it. So I just see what gets posted here from twitter.Go on twitter. I’ve seen 20+ portal players today that have been offered.
Wasn’t Tulane using their backup quarterback?A mediocre SEC team Florida smoked Tulane today who is comparable to our better competition. Remember that linebacker from Florida couple years ago who didn't play there and who was the stud here.. can't remember his name. I really think Mullen will bring in those kind of players
😂😂😂Well if that shocked you. DO NOT Google UTEP football results. I repeat DO NOT GOOGLE UTEP football results.
Well if that shocked you. DO NOT Google UTEP football results. I repeat DO NOT GOOGLE UTEP football results.Dear god… I knew they’d been bad, but then looking at records and trying to compare conferences I was like “Jesus effing Christ”.
Dear god… I knew they’d been bad, but then looking at records and trying to compare conferences I was like “Jesus effing Christ”.Ok. We'll see in a couple years..
Personally the PAC top to bottom has the most schools with upside and potential.
We have Reno and UNM.
Not gonna do a whole breakdown tonight, or probably tomorrow either (you’re welcome fellas)… but I do understand where you’re coming from.Ultimately I will say I like the idea to stay, even if it is a long shot. Getting into the P4 should be the priority period. It is the only long term solution to make things really help the program.
But I have a few exceptions a couple of your points.
2.5 years is the short term, with that gets held up with no reductions, expect UNLV to get the maximum amount promised them in the lump sum, which is 14 million.
This is from UNLV after the initial announcement of the MOR, before any lawsuits.
"According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available. "
If the poaching fee lawsuit gets reduced then that lump sum will also reduce.
Then it is an extra 1.5-1.8 over just 6 years. Not great.
Given recent moves I think the base PAC deal will easily be double the base MW deal. if they get 10 we get 5, if they get 12, we may still get 5.
Exit fees will be negotiated like they always do. Until realignment happens and this doesn't occur (hasn't yet) then we should not be expecting the full values.
Given how egregious our fees are compared to the media value, hard to say what they get knocked down to. Less egregious fees have been reduced to 50% Just look at the PAC last year.
A lot of the numbers seem to be equivalent to roughly the value of 2 years of the base contract. Next season our base value is 5 mil since we don't have the scheduling agreement with the PAC 2. So I think a safe estimate is 11 mil per school. Though it could easily be less. If the poaching fees do hold up, I think it will be used against the MW in negotiations.
The promised money is all "estimated". Mostly because the conference does not have a war chest of millions of dollars to spend. It is estimated because fees are not set in stone their value, and there are potential costs with adding additional schools. Do we have to help with exit fees, or FCS to FBS fees? The extra 1.5-1.8 could easily be reduced if negotiated fees are lower than the MW estimated and/or there are higher costs with expansion than anticipated.
So if the the poaching fees hold up, that gives us a 10-14 mil head start, but we would be losing out on 3- 5 mil a year after that.
If we were to take the offer, which included 6 mil in exit fees from the PAC. We would be looking at likely 5 mil in exit fees for us. If we decided to play that over time than that is just 2 mil a year for 3 years. It does take long to pay that off.
I agree having money up front for UNLV is a factor we had to extend Odom or find a top notch replacement which we did, and we likely have to find a basketball coach as well.
I just don't think it would have taken long at all to make up the difference from the move.
The bad part to the MOR is a commitment until 2032. So I am not sure if that language does anything to raise our exit fees or hurt our negotiations with exit fees if we decide to join the PAC later. Which is totally an option, and I can see it happening down the road still. But I still think we ultimately would lose money joining the PAC later than now.
But joining the PAC all but shuts the door on the Big12. At least it feels that way. So that is why I like the decision to stay.
He is good. He will be better as he is getting stronger. He is still a kicker.I do not buy that domed stadium crap. While I do not want to admit it, since he may be leaving, Chittenden set a field goal distance freshman record verse Oregon State in the rain
#1 would be the MWC - UNLV pays 3X what BSU pays.
Removing BSU and UNLV for the last 4 seasons and skipping the covid partial year (number of years winning record/losing record):
Without question this was a bad year for several teams.
Air Force, they are 40-12 over the prior (4-0)
CSU (0-4)
Fresno State (3-1)
New Mexico (0-4)
SDSU (3-1)
SJSU (2-2
Hawaii (1-3) Without a new stadium they will struggle, so I hope a new stadium was a condition of full membership
Nevada (2-2)
Wyoming (4-0)
Utah State (2-2)
In the four prior years without including BSU or UNLV:
MWC teams 13 winning and 11 losing seasons
MWC to the PAC teams 8 winning and 8 losing
As for Washington State and Oregon State, we will need to see how quickly they fall with all of their funding dried up. If you did include these two teams, they went 5-3 winning to losing seasons.
SJSU pays more than any other school in the MWC prior to the UNLV deal as far as I know with a 2024 pay of $2.3 million per year..I might take the Wyoming job over USU. That's about it.
They do have good facilities and they have shown investment in the past. But recruiting to Laramie isn't easy and they will have to increase NIL substantially.
I think I can get into the top 25 with any of the PAC schools quicker than I could any of the remaining MWC schools.
Yeah, but you cant do that same exercise for the Pac 12 either. Thats the issue with the entire conference basically being mediocre at football, as well as the Pac 12 schools- WSU played the a slew of bottom tier MWC teams and when it played the better teams even borderline teams like UNM and Wyoming they lost. I called the conference the Mediocre West for a reason and there's not a single school that you can say they'd be able to be competing for a playoff spot with out saying just about every other school between both conferences with that exact set of circumstances could do as well...
Any program with the right hire (outside Reno) could pull a Barry Odom because the majority of the conference suck or at best are slightly better than a .500 team. Each one would run into the same problem of a loss outside of any team not named Boise or UNLV sinking their entire season from a CFP perspective. Thats not changing in 2 years when the Pac 12 starts playing each other. They will absolutely wallow around in mediocrity much the same way they do here. Its a historic issue outside that 1 or 2 year "Odom" style run.