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A couple of things, technically the PAC "owes" 55 million, the exiting schools "owe" the rest. We don't know how much the PAC is helping for the traitorous 5.

Lumping poaching fees and exit fees into 1 negotiation isn't great for the MW. I don't think it the PAC would just offer half for all of them. They are going to argue that the MW is trying to double dip. So the first mediation will likely be the the if the poaching fees are valid/fair at all. That will likely be handled first. After that is cleared up, I think the exit fees will get negotiated like they always do, likely using recent precedent at what a "fair" amount truly is. It is also very possible that whatever is settle with poaching fees could still influence the decision on where the exit fees are settled at. If the "double dipping" argument gets any traction. This again is where a combined mediation could hurt the MW.

If they were decided to the mediated separately, I think the MW would essentially get more out of it, though more expensive with legal fees.

There is no way that UNLV would pay 20-30 in legal and exit fees. I think that the exit fees would start at 7-11 million, and could be less with the poaching fees possibly influencing where the exit fees end up. Again this is purely off recent precedent. AAC's exiting 4 for being the closest comp.

Given the PAC's desperation, I think they easily offer to pay UNLV's fees outright, it may end up being very little more than what they offered previously. Especially if they get a big reduction in poaching fees.

Yes UNLV, would have legal fees for their own negotiation, though that could be very easy because these mediations will give the most valid precedent. The har part is getting out of the GOR. Which is why I thought signing it when we did was a mistake. That probably would be the biggest hurdle at this point, and may just end the whole idea. But at least it seems like the PAC has not given up on UNLV. So who knows.
It's been reported that there is one mediator and two different rooms separating the negotiations. The mediator is actually going back and forth between rooms when needed. Apparently they are keeping the two items (law suit issues) apart. That's all fine and dandy I just want our money.

Just pointing out that both the poaching and exit fees mediations are going on simultaneously.
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Have the leaving schools even served paperwork to officially leave the conference? I believe that the deadline is coming up in a matter of days so that could throw a wrench in all the conversations and plans. Maybe they are hoping for a quick resolution on the mediation. Where would the MWC be if all the schools decided not to leave considering they already filled their spots?
It is sometime this summer, but it may be as late as August or before the next school year begins.

I doubt these mediations last months, probably will settle within 2 weeks at the most, you would think.
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I just listened to the beginning UNLV section.

I agree that it is a good thing that UNLV has been in discussions with the BIg 12. We all knew that they have happened in the past, but I don't know if it was reported that they have done so again in the past few months, that is encouraging.

I think they are way off with a few other things.

As mentioned above no mention of the free pass. For sure with the MW and it has at least been reported that the PAC is offering the same. They talked like the Bi12 door was essentially closed for now when it certainly is not.

Also as mentioned before they talked about a financial commitment. The highest paid coach in all of G5 and many P4's isn't a commitment? The Fertitta complex wasn't a commitment? It has been reported that UNLV has really upped their NIL efforts for football, that isn't a commitment???

I think signing the GOR when we did was a huge mistake. They mentioned keeping the options open, but signing GOR when they did essentially does the opposite. The PAC didn't have a TV contract, since the GOR signing it was reported that the PAC essentially has a contract ready to go, just waiting on the 8th (or more) schools before finalizing. We know they have added partners for this upcoming year, not a stretch to assume that some or all of those same partners are on board for 2026 and beyond.

If UNLV were "uncommited" right now in writing, the PAC could likely have a realistic offer of what UNLV could get with them as a part of the PAC. Much less concrete when UNLV signed when they did. The PAC will still probably try once the mediation is settled.

Like I have mentioned before, I don't think the expense for leaving for either conference would be that high. I think they could convince the PAC to pay their exit fees, and their would be no expense for the Big 12. So yes, superficially it looks like UNLV would have upfront costs, but in reality probably not that much.
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Have the leaving schools even served paperwork to officially leave the conference? I believe that the deadline is coming up in a matter of days so that could throw a wrench in all the conversations and plans. Maybe they are hoping for a quick resolution on the mediation. Where would the MWC be if all the schools decided not to leave considering they already filled their spots?
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Here's how the PAC gets UNLV.

Gloria owes UNLV what 25 million?

Air Force same thing?

PAC 'owes' MWC like 150 million.

I think it's fair to say it gets negotiated down.

PAC offers MWC 70 million.

MWC keeps UNLV 25 million is gone off the top. So Gloria has 50 million.

PAC says here's 70 mil UNLV walks for free.

Sure in that scenario...Maybe.

Gloria has 70 mil war chest now. Adds NDSU and SAC State easily for significantly less than what it would take to keep UNLV. Plus can offer everyone left in conference a little sweetener to invest back into programs.

UNLV isn't paying 20-30 million in legal and exit fees to join a G6 conference to make 4 million a year over 5-6 years. You'd be netting next to nothing because you're paying off debt. It makes zero fiscal sense.
A couple of things, technically the PAC "owes" 55 million, the exiting schools "owe" the rest. We don't know how much the PAC is helping for the traitorous 5.

Lumping poaching fees and exit fees into 1 negotiation isn't great for the MW. I don't think it the PAC would just offer half for all of them. They are going to argue that the MW is trying to double dip. So the first mediation will likely be the the if the poaching fees are valid/fair at all. That will likely be handled first. After that is cleared up, I think the exit fees will get negotiated like they always do, likely using recent precedent at what a "fair" amount truly is. It is also very possible that whatever is settle with poaching fees could still influence the decision on where the exit fees are settled at. If the "double dipping" argument gets any traction. This again is where a combined mediation could hurt the MW.

If they were decided to the mediated separately, I think the MW would essentially get more out of it, though more expensive with legal fees.

There is no way that UNLV would pay 20-30 in legal and exit fees. I think that the exit fees would start at 7-11 million, and could be less with the poaching fees possibly influencing where the exit fees end up. Again this is purely off recent precedent. AAC's exiting 4 for being the closest comp.

Given the PAC's desperation, I think they easily offer to pay UNLV's fees outright, it may end up being very little more than what they offered previously. Especially if they get a big reduction in poaching fees.

Yes UNLV, would have legal fees for their own negotiation, though that could be very easy because these mediations will give the most valid precedent. The har part is getting out of the GOR. Which is why I thought signing it when we did was a mistake. That probably would be the biggest hurdle at this point, and may just end the whole idea. But at least it seems like the PAC has not given up on UNLV. So who knows.

B12 Discussions

I think it’s longer than that, but I absolutely agree it is/will be on the table. I don’t know that it will happen though. My hopes are there … I think the only thing fans would have to worry about is winning enough, not if we have enough money, not if the competition is good enough, not if we will lose our programs. That conference move offers the ultimate stability and it’s long term.
I agree, and am not counting on anything… but while I agree with anyone who would say that we’re not ready (for the jump), all of that could change rather quickly and we might be the prettiest girl at the dance when the music stops.

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What this interview misses is that we've been talking to them since 2016. We were told back then bluntly without a meeting that we would not be considered for expansion. However a lot has changed since then. Its good that they considered us important enough to be worth the time to have a few days worth of talks with us. In my opinion, we aren't quite there yet; but we're trending in the right direction. The next 5 years are crucial for the program.

I personally don't believe we need to spend big12 athletics money until we're ready to move up. The more important number is NiL. That will allow us to stay competitive and to keep these big win years going.

As @Bullmastiff 1 has mentioned, Harper could have easily taken a Rolovich at significant discount. I wouldn't have bat an eye if Rolovich became the coach. That would have been enough to show that Harper was "trying."

But Harper instead brought on Mullen, is paying Mullen well (its not too far below Big12 money, and Harper has demonstrated that he will give raises for performance), increased staff budgets, increased NiL, and began laying down the foundations for continuing to make UNLV successful.
Mullen makes more than the coach at UCLA $3,250,000, Vandy $3,189,744 and Arizona $3,100,000

B12 Discussions

What this interview misses is that we've been talking to them since 2016. We were told back then bluntly without a meeting that we would not be considered for expansion. However a lot has changed since then. Its good that they considered us important enough to be worth the time to have a few days worth of talks with us. In my opinion, we aren't quite there yet; but we're trending in the right direction. The next 5 years are crucial for the program.

I personally don't believe we need to spend big12 athletics money until we're ready to move up. The more important number is NiL. That will allow us to stay competitive and to keep these big win years going.

As @Bullmastiff 1 has mentioned, Harper could have easily taken a Rolovich at significant discount. I wouldn't have bat an eye if Rolovich became the coach. That would have been enough to show that Harper was "trying."

But Harper instead brought on Mullen, is paying Mullen well (its not too far below Big12 money, and Harper has demonstrated that he will give raises for performance), increased staff budgets, increased NiL, and began laying down the foundations for continuing to make UNLV successful.
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B12 Discussions

What this interview misses is that we've been talking to them since 2016. We were told back then bluntly without a meeting that we would not be considered for expansion. However a lot has changed since then. Its good that they considered us important enough to be worth the time to have a few days worth of talks with us. In my opinion, we aren't quite there yet; but we're trending in the right direction. The next 5 years are crucial for the program.

I personally don't believe we need to spend big12 athletics money until we're ready to move up. The more important number is NiL. That will allow us to stay competitive and to keep these big win years going.

As @Bullmastiff 1 has mentioned, Harper could have easily taken a Rolovich at significant discount. I wouldn't have bat an eye if Rolovich became the coach. That would have been enough to show that Harper was "trying."

But Harper instead brought on Mullen, is paying Mullen well (its not too far below Big12 money, and Harper has demonstrated that he will give raises for performance), increased staff budgets, increased NiL, and began laying down the foundations for continuing to make UNLV successful.

Rebel basketball schedule..

25 straight seasons in the tournament.
13 sweet 16's
5 Élite 8's
2 Final Fours
2 NC games (runner up both times).

Sure they haven't won the whole thing, but there aren't 5 teams out there with a more consistent resume than that.

Like UNLV in our heyday, maybe not the pure recruiting blue blood pedigree, but hard to argue results for them now and us then in terms of being a blue blood. And it sure looked like that we were going to be a true blue blood given the talent we were alledgedly going to land before Tark was fired.
We were probably on our way but no one had declared us one yet and as good as Gonzaga has been they still aren’t up to our peak.

Rebel basketball schedule..

Gonzaga is a very good team, but they are definitely not a blue blood. You can’t have zero national championships to your name and be considered a blue blood. We made three final fours in five seasons, won a national championship, went undefeated one year and over a 15 year stretch were one of the top five winningest teams in the country and we weren’t considered a blue blood.
25 straight seasons in the tournament.
13 sweet 16's
5 Élite 8's
2 Final Fours
2 NC games (runner up both times).

Sure they haven't won the whole thing, but there aren't 5 teams out there with a more consistent resume than that.

Like UNLV in our heyday, maybe not the pure recruiting blue blood pedigree, but hard to argue results for them now and us then in terms of being a blue blood. And it sure looked like that we were going to be a true blue blood given the talent we were alledgedly going to land before Tark was fired.
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Didn’t watch the whole thing, but one thing they’re missing on is that, at least in the first 15 minutes, they keep talking about UNLV signing the GOR to stay in the MW, as if it impacts any decision to leave in the future.

It does not impact UNLVs decision to leave to a P4, which should have more bearing on the conversation surrounding the decision making, and significantly so.

Even though those conversations with the Big 12 didn’t produce an immediate jump, there was probably at least SOMETHING in them to reinforce the belief that it could be a very real possibility in the not too distant future.

Retaining that flexibility was key.
I agree, that wasn’t missed on me either. The fact that multiple meetings with the B12 took place prior to UNLV signing the GOR and having verbiage included stating there would be no exit fees if UNLV left for a P4 conference prior to 2032, is telling.

B12 Discussions

Didn’t watch the whole thing, but one thing they’re missing on is that, at least in the first 15 minutes, they keep talking about UNLV signing the GOR to stay in the MW, as if it impacts any decision to leave in the future.

It does not impact UNLVs decision to leave to a P4, which should have more bearing on the conversation surrounding the decision making, and significantly so.

Even though those conversations with the Big 12 didn’t produce an immediate jump, there was probably at least SOMETHING in them to reinforce the belief that it could be a very real possibility in the not too distant future.

Retaining that flexibility was key.

Rebel basketball schedule..

Again Gonzaga isn't quite the fair comparison. They are a true blue blood and perhaps the most consistent B-ball program over the past 20 years.

They played Kentucky at home (Spokane arena not their normal home court), they played Duke in Las Vegas. At least in the past 5 years.

But even Gonzaga might get 2 really good games in Spokane in OOC.

Our schedule 2 years ago was really, really good. It is hard to get much better than that as a a has been G5 team. Start to win in the tournament and more opportunities could arise.

I do think BYU is a reasonable team to target. They are close, have a ton of local fans, etc. Old rivalry. Some of the old PAC teams like UCLA, USC, ASU, and Uof A could be possibilities. Since they have to travel much more now, having a regional home and home seems doable. But again, I think most of these team, save maybe BYU, would be bullish on playing outside of the T&M.
Gonzaga is a very good team, but they are definitely not a blue blood. You can’t have zero national championships to your name and be considered a blue blood. We made three final fours in five seasons, won a national championship, went undefeated one year and over a 15 year stretch were one of the top five winningest teams in the country and we weren’t considered a blue blood.
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