Rebels_88 said:

Going back to lineup stuff for a moment, I'm not entirely sure Winfrey is going to be here. She's walking with her parents tomorrow for Senior day. Seems like a better than even chance she graduates and moves on, maybe latching on to a team somewhere closer to home or at Kansas where her sister runs track. Either way, she's a great teammate and had the knee injury that took her out of a lot of playing time.

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If, she doesn't come back here next year, I wish her well.
Just, didn't get the minutes here, even before the injury.
She, had too many talented players ahead of her in the rotation.
I, still say UNLV needs a PG in the portal next year.

oneepstein said:

I believe this is ALL the lawsuits, Fresno and SDSU didn't join the lawsuit with Boise and the other two so they're not mentioned.

There's no differentiation in how things get paid based on which side of where the fees come from. Disbursements are based on X percentage of collected fees at various levels of the amounts collected. So once the MW collects $40 million it goes to X, the next $20 million it goes to Y, the next $however much goes to Z... etc. UNLV (and AF) get 24.5% of basically the first $90 million-ish, minus the amount to pay lawyers, and minus an amount put aside for recruiting new members.

I've never seen anything that's been clear on exactly how UNLV's 24.5% is paid to them, aside from their being a big chunk and then smaller yearly chunks.

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We knew the exit fees were going to get negotiated, that was a given. Lawsuits aren't always involved, but that is no surprised.
Looping in the Poaching fees is interesting. It also goes to my theory that it is hard to separate the exit fees and the poaching fees since they are 2 versions of the same thing.

If the MW thought they were going to get every penny of the poaching fee, I don't think they would have asked to mediate this way. That or they can't afford to let it drag out.

The fact that 2 schools did not join the lawsuit may not matter. The only team that might have a different exit fee could be Boise, since their media value and take home is higher, but the other schools are likely to settle to the same number. Every other instance of exit fee negotiations have worked that way.

oneepstein said:

Hard to say since the whole point of mediation is both parties agreeing to be bound by the mediator. We may think "we hold the cards", but there is really nothing left to play. I'm sure both sides will get to make their cases in front of the mediator but ultimately it'll be up to that person.

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Mediation commonly fails. In most cases, it's about getting one side to show their cards and game plan. If the PAC asks for the world, this is going back to court.

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Masked_rebel said:

I doubt that they get halved. That would be a significant win for the Pac 12 and seems like we technically hold the cards with regards to the legal agreement for that scheduling agreement. I'm guessing the payout still favors the MWC in the 60-75% range as that would release some of the up front burden for the Pac 12 and potentially help them negotiate the reduction of the exit fees as "playing nice".

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Hard to say since the whole point of mediation is both parties agreeing to be bound by the mediator. We may think "we hold the cards", but there is really nothing left to play. I'm sure both sides will get to make their cases in front of the mediator but ultimately it'll be up to that person.

dcut03 said:

Sorry if this was posted already, some links I can't see from my work computer.

Mountain West, Pac-12 agree to mediate lawsuits

The Mountain West and Pac-12, along with Boise State, Colorado State and Utah State, have agreed to enter mediation in hopes of settling ongoing lawsuits related to school exit fees and a poaching penalty included in a football scheduling agreement.

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This could be somewhat telling. The MW initiated this, meaning that they do not want to wait out for the courts. The longer they wait out, the longer it takes for us to get paid. They also may be afraid that all of the fees get thrown out.

Which means you can pretty much count on the poaching fees getting settled down to a reduced number. This number is almost directly related to the "lump sum" we were promised. So basically take 24.5% of the settlement and that is our lump sum.

After that, then it is just a mere 1.8 mil max above the base media deal for 6 years. Those numbers were based off of exit fees. We can still get the 1.8 even if the exit fees are negotiated down. However that the unknown number is the cost of the new acquisitions and legal fees. Those cut into our share as well. Because of that I think the 1.8 mil is unlikely. 1.5? Maybe.

Really this mediation on the poaching fees are pretty big. If those fees get cut in half, that won't hurt that much. But that will still hurt, 5-7 mill lump sum does not hit the same way that 10-14 did. Anything less than that, I think it would be hard to argue trying to get out and joining the PAC is the way to go.

If that is the case, how difficult would it be to get out of this recently signed GOR.

What a mess!

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I believe this is ALL the lawsuits, Fresno and SDSU didn't join the lawsuit with Boise and the other two so they're not mentioned.

Rosegreen1 said:

our signing bonus will take a hit but not the payments. IMO. We also get a Boise style revenue sharing deal, we won’t make any less than 3.5 million per year. Meaning it could be more than 3.5 million but it depends on the league getting a bigger deal.

My take is that we are in mediation now to figure out exactly what we get. The agreement doesn’t take hold until the summer of 2026, so there’s plenty of time to figure out our next move.

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There's no differentiation in how things get paid based on which side of where the fees come from. Disbursements are based on X percentage of collected fees at various levels of the amounts collected. So once the MW collects $40 million it goes to X, the next $20 million it goes to Y, the next $however much goes to Z... etc. UNLV (and AF) get 24.5% of basically the first $90 million-ish, minus the amount to pay lawyers, and minus an amount put aside for recruiting new members.

I've never seen anything that's been clear on exactly how UNLV's 24.5% is paid to them, aside from their being a big chunk and then smaller yearly chunks.

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dcut03 said:

Sorry if this was posted already, some links I can't see from my work computer.

Mountain West, Pac-12 agree to mediate lawsuits

The Mountain West and Pac-12, along with Boise State, Colorado State and Utah State, have agreed to enter mediation in hopes of settling ongoing lawsuits related to school exit fees and a poaching penalty included in a football scheduling agreement.

www.espn.com

This could be somewhat telling. The MW initiated this, meaning that they do not want to wait out for the courts. The longer they wait out, the longer it takes for us to get paid. They also may be afraid that all of the fees get thrown out.

Which means you can pretty much count on the poaching fees getting settled down to a reduced number. This number is almost directly related to the "lump sum" we were promised. So basically take 24.5% of the settlement and that is our lump sum.

After that, then it is just a mere 1.8 mil max above the base media deal for 6 years. Those numbers were based off of exit fees. We can still get the 1.8 even if the exit fees are negotiated down. However that the unknown number is the cost of the new acquisitions and legal fees. Those cut into our share as well. Because of that I think the 1.8 mil is unlikely. 1.5? Maybe.

Really this mediation on the poaching fees are pretty big. If those fees get cut in half, that won't hurt that much. But that will still hurt, 5-7 mill lump sum does not hit the same way that 10-14 did. Anything less than that, I think it would be hard to argue trying to get out and joining the PAC is the way to go.

If that is the case, how difficult would it be to get out of this recently signed GOR.

What a mess!

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I doubt that they get halved. That would be a significant win for the Pac 12 and seems like we technically hold the cards with regards to the legal agreement for that scheduling agreement. I'm guessing the payout still favors the MWC in the 60-75% range as that would release some of the up front burden for the Pac 12 and potentially help them negotiate the reduction of the exit fees as "playing nice".

RebelScrub said:

Is the Augmon to UNLV ship sailing or is that ship sunk like the Clotilda? ( no racism )

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Augmon has done nothing to build a resume to show He's the man and yes I realize Neither did Kruger. Augmon had one year of HC experience overseas. I think Harper wants an experienced HC. I could be wrong.

That's a dude right there. Hopefully we can keep him.

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Is the Augmon to UNLV ship sailing or is that ship sunk like the Clotilda? ( no racism )

Going back to lineup stuff for a moment, I'm not entirely sure Winfrey is going to be here. She's walking with her parents tomorrow for Senior day. Seems like a better than even chance she graduates and moves on, maybe latching on to a team somewhere closer to home or at Kansas where her sister runs track. Either way, she's a great teammate and had the knee injury that took her out of a lot of playing time.

Rosegreen1 said:

our signing bonus will take a hit but not the payments. IMO. We also get a Boise style revenue sharing deal, we won’t make any less than 3.5 million per year. Meaning it could be more than 3.5 million but it depends on the league getting a bigger deal.

My take is that we are in mediation now to figure out exactly what we get. The agreement doesn’t take hold until the summer of 2026, so there’s plenty of time to figure out our next move.

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Is a guaranteed 3.5 mil a good thing? Our base is 3.6 now and is 5 mill after the CFP payouts.
The GOR states that the 3.5 is the guaranteed TOTAL. Meaning they could use CFP distribution and NCAAT credits to reach that number.

Ouch.

If the PAC is getting a 8 mil base and we get 3.5 (before the 1.5-1.8 additional) that sucks.

Hopefully the media deal for the MW is much better than that, but I can see it potentially being that bad. None of our acquisitions made us stronger, if anything they all probably dropped the mean further. NIU as football only may have met the mean.

The MW holding steady with media while other conferences are getting 50%-250% increases with their new deals is awful with recent inflation.

our signing bonus will take a hit but not the payments. IMO. We also get a Boise style revenue sharing deal, we won’t make any less than 3.5 million per year. Meaning it could be more than 3.5 million but it depends on the league getting a bigger deal.

My take is that we are in mediation now to figure out exactly what we get. The agreement doesn’t take hold until the summer of 2026, so there’s plenty of time to figure out our next move.

Rebel1986 said:

The only buffet with a name close to that, that I can think of is the Carnival World Buffet that was at the Rio before it closed a few years back.

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My (then) girlfriend's parents came to town and it was my first time meeting them. They loved the Carnival World Buffet and wanted to go. We get there and are told it's a 45 minute wait. I was steaming inside. Wait for food in Vegas? It was nice but... not overpriced, 45-minute wait good.

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Great idea and worth UNLV exploring. I wouldn’t go so far as to say the Raiders would never allow greater UNLV recognition. The relationship has improved greatly since Sandra became Pres; not saying it’s perfect but before Sandra it was downright hostile. Sandra recognizes the value of having a close relationship with UNLV. It undoubtedly benefits/protects the Raiders in many ways.

Sorry if this was posted already, some links I can't see from my work computer.


This could be somewhat telling. The MW initiated this, meaning that they do not want to wait out for the courts. The longer they wait out, the longer it takes for us to get paid. They also may be afraid that all of the fees get thrown out.

Which means you can pretty much count on the poaching fees getting settled down to a reduced number. This number is almost directly related to the "lump sum" we were promised. So basically take 24.5% of the settlement and that is our lump sum.

After that, then it is just a mere 1.8 mil max above the base media deal for 6 years. Those numbers were based off of exit fees. We can still get the 1.8 even if the exit fees are negotiated down. However that the unknown number is the cost of the new acquisitions and legal fees. Those cut into our share as well. Because of that I think the 1.8 mil is unlikely. 1.5? Maybe.

Really this mediation on the poaching fees are pretty big. If those fees get cut in half, that won't hurt that much. But that will still hurt, 5-7 mill lump sum does not hit the same way that 10-14 did. Anything less than that, I think it would be hard to argue trying to get out and joining the PAC is the way to go.

If that is the case, how difficult would it be to get out of this recently signed GOR.

What a mess!

Hell nah. Crean??Dude is Rice 2.0. I have not seen anything that leads me to believe he is a GREAT hire. Decent. That is it.

Rosegreen1 said:

There was a buffet in the early 90s at a hotel that used to be either right where the Luxor currently is or nearby. I was a kid so my memory may be off but I know it was near the airport and driving by the glass pool motel. By the way, I thought that pool was the coolest thing ever.

Anyway it was called world buffet I think, it was top notch until they demolished the place.

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The only buffet with a name close to that, that I can think of is the Carnival World Buffet that was at the Rio before it closed a few years back.

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Most Services had him going to Georgia or Tennessee.

He has a lot of offers (roughly 30). Just listing the upper division ones:

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Georgia
Indiana
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Bullmastiff 1 said:

SDSU's attendance for a city/school that size snd a brand new stadium wasn't very good.

Their TV numbers are not good.

The PAC will get about 10 million per school.

OSU/WSU are going to need to tighten the belts going forward and learn to live on a massively reduced budget.

Do you really truly think 6 months ago Texas State was on the PACs radar?

This is a desperation addition.

They fanned on the AAC schools. Went to plan B.

If Memphis/Tulane had joined initially, the PAC wasn't coming back to the MWC for USU and UNLV. They would have been done or looking for other AAC scalps like UTSA and probably North Texas.

The absolute reality of it is, the PAC will have added two schools USU/Texas State that it never wanted.

They overestimated there own value.

I may end up being wrong but if the value in media rights was there, Memphis and Tulane would already be in the PAC.

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Attendance for UNLV hasn't been that great for the size of our market either, and we have been good the past 2 years.

Texas State has been on their radar at least since we tried to add them. Because they turned us down to be a part of the new PAC.

That in itself should tell us what kind of media deal that they will be getting.

There is no question that things have not gone to plan for them. They horribly misjudged the AAC teams' situation. They should have known about the 27 month rule, and should have expected 18 mil in exit fees per school and should have factored that into the cost benefit for those teams. But to be fair, the PAC did say "swinging for the fences" in regards to the AAC teams. I take that to believe that they weren't counting on them saying yes. They still offered them a piss poor package.

They definitely overestimated their own brand, Value? I think they had actual numbers with the CW this whole time. So I don't think they were blindly throwing out media package deal numbers without any sort of estimated deal, perhaps in writing already. From the beginning they talked about making moved under the guidance of their media partners. Which has basically been the CW almost exclusively.

What they didn't expect was UNLV and AFA saying no. So they will likely have to reach for Texas state.

As for media rights? I believe the 12 mil initially with CW only. That would be an upgrade, but with the laughable exit fee help it still wasn't worth it for the legacy AAC teams. It would take over 5 mil to break even, maybe. We still don't know what the AAC's deal will pay Memphis and Tulane down the road. They have 9 per year now, but that will reduce at some point.

The PAC now seems to have more media partners willing to put their money into the pot. That could still lead to a decent per team payout.

Outside of Rebel Net and our WAZZU friend here, I have not seen much about regret and dispair with the new PAC. What I see is almost all positive. So are the jaded, rejected Rebel fans right? Or everyone else?