LVRebel2000 said:

I've been seeing that number also. Over $8M per year is definitely an upgrade, but I'm not sure some of them would have jumped so quickly, especially Boise, if they knew that's what the dollar amount would end up being, given the cost to buy out of the MWC.

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Of course they would have. Boise, SDSU and Gonzaga all created a conference that gave them the financial advantages they were looking to keep from losing when a new TV deal was created (Boise)... Gonzaga gets what it thought it was worth by comparison to the rest of the WCC and SDSU gets to claim its reward for "carrying" the MWC brand. All 3 know that they are going to be heads above the rest of the conference with regards to payouts and credits due to them. Look at what Boise has been able to do with just a slight financial advantage. Not they get to play in a perceived higher conference and rake in potentially a few million extra dollars per credit. Especially Boise who saw the writing on the wall that the MWC cash cow was coming to an end with UNLVs rise.

rebel5280 said:

1.) Agreed! 2.) Do you think this is an angle Josh can exploit?

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Can Josh exploit player development by recruiting a bunch of young freshman- sure.. Is that the best approach for winning fast- no. I think you saw his first go at this by retaining Kruger's young core and recruits. But i think you need the veteran players that are getting recruited over by these shiny "young" mid-major transfers to compete for the MWC title. Sure he could go land the #1 recruiting class in the NCAA full of 5 star freshman(not likely, P4 are still investing in the 1 and done kids) and win, but thats not likely. What Im currently seeing based on some of the targets is we dont have the NIl money to go after af full roster of star studded players. Harper is either playing the NIL cars close to his chest with the first season and expecting josh to raise money in the future or we really have no NIL funds.. and I say that because Juco kids arent going to cost you a ton of NIL money, so you can use what you have to target 1 or r high value transfers for that star impact.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

If it's 8 million per it's a bump but not anywhere near the 15-18 that was being floated early on.

I won't go so far as to say there's buyers remorse among MWC defectors, but I imagine there are some rumblings of discontent and unease with how this is playing out.

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No doubt the new PAC is a significant downgrade from the current MWC, and the new MWC is a significant downgrade from the current MWC. Instead of having one dominate conference, we now have two conferences that will both struggle in different ways. The closer the PAC comes to $8 million or less, the better I feel about UNLV staying in the MWC with a free pass for a major conference. The best thing the MWC can now do is find other schools that can help keep the MWC at the same level or better, while cutting of the PAC ability to expand. If the PAC picks up the wrong school, we could see that $8 million drop to an even lower number! What is also to say that in 2026 the MWC isn't able to increase their deal depending on how the schools play this year?

Masked_rebel said:

They can't sell those tickets at that price. The reason people buy balcony seats is because they get cheaper tickets and still move down after tip...
And I've been told by other fans that you can't lower ticket prices because that devalues season ticket holders, lol...

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Yeah, but how many season ticket holders are there these days? Maybe they need to completely redo all of the season ticket prices. If the people that are buying balcony seats are coming down anyways, why not make some lower bowl seats more affordable and close off the balcony?

It’s also a dead period until the 10th for transfers. Pastner needs like 10 new players too and they all won’t be starters. Don’t let this guy work you up.

Masked_rebel said:

You do realize that the MWC had 4 teams make the NCAA tournament and none of them spent 20 million dollars to do so....
What is needed is a realignment of expectations. Where UNLV NIL budget gets us is into the tournament, that's the goal and should be considered a success each year. Winning beyond that is up to coaching and player development within the budget we have.

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Sure but is that sustainable? If teams are now spending $20MM ON TOP of the NIL then the chances for that happening in the future are drastically reduced. I agree getting there should be the goal but I think we will be getting there the same way that Radford, Bryant and similar schools get there, not how UNM got there.

Masked_rebel said:

He entered portal late after which tells me staff is confident that we are adding bigs better than his "potential" and thus is playing time is not what he hopes or expected. I get that he's a lengthy big man with "potential" but I don't see P4 schools calling his NIL guy offering money when there are more developed players. He's likely seeking playing time.
Again, P4 schools aren't in the game to develop players. I expect to see a decline in P4s recruiting freshman as well as monet can be used for veteran players that have been developed already

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1.) Agreed!

2.) Do you think this is an angle Josh can exploit?

WarthogRebel said:

The $ 20 million revenue sharing is above and beyond NIL. The P4 schools will be aggressively spending on both.

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Oh right I forgot.

Masked_rebel said:

They can't sell those tickets at that price. The reason people buy balcony seats is because they get cheaper tickets and still move down after tip...
And I've been told by other fans that you can't lower ticket prices because that devalues season ticket holders, lol...

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That is definitely true we have done that ourselves for the 2-3 games we have been to the last few years and I know tons more who do the same. So if they block out the top will people who buy tickets to the top now buy in the bottom or stop going all together? We don't go to many games so we would likely still go but not sure if others would.

rebel5280 said:

The problem is, in the past guys we signed at UNLV took years to develop. And by the time they did, it was their senior year!

Is N’Diaye on the fence now?

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He entered portal late after which tells me staff is confident that we are adding bigs better than his "potential" and thus is playing time is not what he hopes or expected. I get that he's a lengthy big man with "potential" but I don't see P4 schools calling his NIL guy offering money when there are more developed players. He's likely seeking playing time.
Again, P4 schools aren't in the game to develop players. I expect to see a decline in P4s recruiting freshman as well as monet can be used for veteran players that have been developed already

You can say this about Sac St: They're not in reactionary mode, like we're accustomed. They have planned their work and now they're working their plan.

On a side note, I think Tarletons were the cig of choice with the back parking lot crowd when I was in h.s. 🤪

LVRebel2000 said:

Maybe UNLV needs to start selling tickets for the basketball games like Allegiant does for UNLV football games. Only sell the lower bowl seats initially, until it's at 90% capacity or so. Then open up sections of the balcony seating as needed.

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If things don't pick up, in another season or two they will be able to put the tickets in bowls on bar tops next to the free bar peanuts for people to take.

Boston Rebel 2 said:

Yeah if every school is going to spend $20MM a year on NIL for basketball then we might as well resign ourselves to suckdom.

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You do realize that the MWC had 4 teams make the NCAA tournament and none of them spent 20 million dollars to do so....
What is needed is a realignment of expectations. Where UNLV NIL budget gets us is into the tournament, that's the goal and should be considered a success each year. Winning beyond that is up to coaching and player development within the budget we have.

vegas50 said:

I saw in the Review Urinal today that he is listed in the portal.

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Lol!

Boston Rebel 2 said:

Does that mean Pape is leaving? I thought he was one of those who was staying. Bummer I thought he had a chance to develop as you said he would leave most likely but at least you have some production for a year if he did develop.

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The problem is, in the past guys we signed at UNLV took years to develop. And by the time they did, it was their senior year!

Is N’Diaye on the fence now?

LVRebel2000 said:

Maybe UNLV needs to start selling tickets for the basketball games like Allegiant does for UNLV football games. Only sell the lower bowl seats initially, until it's at 90% capacity or so. Then open up sections of the balcony seating as needed.

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This is such an obvious path to take there has to be some reason we don't do it. For the life of me I can't think of it.

LVRebel2000 said:

Maybe UNLV needs to start selling tickets for the basketball games like Allegiant does for UNLV football games. Only sell the lower bowl seats initially, until it's at 90% capacity or so. Then open up sections of the balcony seating as needed.

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They can't sell those tickets at that price. The reason people buy balcony seats is because they get cheaper tickets and still move down after tip...
And I've been told by other fans that you can't lower ticket prices because that devalues season ticket holders, lol...

Boston Rebel 2 said:

Yeah if every school is going to spend $20MM a year on NIL for basketball then we might as well resign ourselves to suckdom.

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The $ 20 million revenue sharing is above and beyond NIL. The P4 schools will be aggressively spending on both.

WarthogRebel said:

P4 bench players will also be tough to get. Nearly every P4 program has committed to spending the entire allowed $20 million revenue sharing on players this year. We can't compete with that - not nearly.

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Yeah if every school is going to spend $20MM a year on NIL for basketball then we might as well resign ourselves to suckdom.

I saw in the Review Urinal today that he is listed in the portal.

j. spilotro said:

I really wanted the euro center. Seemed to have a decent enough skill set and then given his size, would be an impact player at UNLV. But missed out.

Pastner is a pretty decent recruiter. But that’s traditional recruiting. Now 90% of recruiting is NIL, 10 percent the sales pitch and relationship. Might be even more slanted to that. Whoever the best recruiter is in the country, if you put him at Norfolk State, all of a sudden he’s a crappy recruiter.

We will start landing guys soon, hopefully enough. I was really hoping Pape would stay, but even if he did and he made an impact/develops, he’d be gone.

Getting HS kids and developing them is a waste of resources and time, imo. You’re doing the dirty work for the big schools.

I think it’s really tough right now and it’s only getting worse.

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Does that mean Pape is leaving? I thought he was one of those who was staying. Bummer I thought he had a chance to develop as you said he would leave most likely but at least you have some production for a year if he did develop.

Rebel1986 said:

It may or may not be true that he has an offer from UNLV, but I don't take much credence in what is posted by an account on twitter with a few thousand followers. Hell, before I was kicked off twitter I had about 75K followers, and I was a nobody!

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Lieberman is valid. Followers dont matter.