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NIU TO MWC

RebelinWA
dcut03 said:
Since the merger, does Fox and ESPN still work like separate entities? It certainly seems so, at least with preexisting contracts
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A lot to unpack there, but from a 30,000 foot view Fox sports is separate from the rest of Disney/ ESPN. Here in the US, the a judge ruled that ESPN and Fox sports together in one entity would be too much of the market share together. In other territories, Disney owns the rights to Fox sports distribution. But I should state that media groups often "partner".
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CDM Era: Transfer Portal and Recruits Thread

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Rebel1986 said:
I hope this isn't turning into a New Mexico style blood bath with the number of transfers. No doubt the coaches that are leaving have told the players they will not be staying. Without a question the special teams and defense coach are gone along with many of their players.
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Just have to embrace it instead of crying about it like Lincoln Riley was recently.

We’re going to get a lot of good players, we’re gonna lose some good ones too. Just the way it is, the most important thing is that Mullen keeps that culture of winning and working hard in place. CDM was on ESPN saying he’s been given scouting reports on every player on the team, new recruits, and every one in the portal. He said his son is real excited and they go over everything at home.
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NIU TO MWC

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RebelinWA said:
CBS wasn't considering them; at least not a few weeks ago. Things could have change, but the concern was the lack of return of investment. CBS' offer wouldn't have been anywhere near 14m, but that's more of they don't have the capital free in Q4. The new owner may choose to prop up in Q1 Paramount's film studios than make another investment into NCAA sports; but who knows. I heard of rumors about divesting CBS sports from Paramount.

I could imagine Apple taking them on a loss, just to get more of a footprint in the NCAA.
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Since the merger, does Fox and ESPN still work like separate entities? It certainly seems so, at least with preexisting contracts
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It's all G5....

dcut03
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Between 8-12 million. If they were getting valuations higher than that I think Memphis would have made the jump last time.

Media deal is the one sticking point for me and UNLV not joining the PAC. An extra 3-5 million (potentially) a year would be nice..

I'll stand by if there is no BIG12 invite then this was mistake long term. If there is then it was the right call.

Not because of conference prestige or whatever. Just dollars and cents of it. You can only go to the booster well so many times. At some point you have to be able to fund projects, hire coaches etc on your own.
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I 100% agree.

Pretending that the PAC wouldn't be an upgrade in revenue and competition vs remaining in the MW is just kidding ourselves.

We are aiming higher, and really going all in. I thought we were going all in before, but we just slapped our wedding ring and the deed to our house on the poker table.

Staying was about the free P4 pass, and to a lesser extent the immediate potential costs of a move. We need cash now for contracts. Moving would have made that a bit more difficult.

It probably won't work, but I like it. We have some success and momentum, and we are fully leveraging that while aiming high. I respect that.
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CDM Era: Transfer Portal and Recruits Thread

RebelinWA
Rebel1986 said:
I hope this isn't turning into a New Mexico style blood bath with the number of transfers. No doubt the coaches that are leaving have told the players they will not be staying. Without a question the special teams and defense coach are gone along with many of their players.
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Its going to get worse before it gets better. I am fairly confident that Mullen will be able to recruit to a high standard. But it still stings. I liked most of those guys, and would have loved to have seen a deep returning class. Though, some of these guys might not be headed to Purdue. I am sure a few of them were going to move no matter if Odom stayed or not.
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NIU TO MWC

RebelinWA
dcut03 said:
I think Both.

They are running out of options, and their last selection will likely hurt their average payouts from what they have right now.

I have seen a tweet, I didn't have time to grab it, that reported that the PAC is looking at a 14 mil./school deal since using Octogon. I don't buy that until I see it, but it is possible that they were able to add another media partner to sweeten the deal since signing with Octagon. I think they have been only working with the CW and maybe one other (CBS/Fox/Apple) up to this point.

They may try another pass at schools that have already turned them down. My guess they are willing to wait it out to see if anyone changes their mind or finding some other school that won't hurt their bottom line before adding a lower school, especially a FCS school.
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CBS wasn't considering them; at least not a few weeks ago. Things could have change, but the concern was the lack of return of investment. CBS' offer wouldn't have been anywhere near 14m, but that's more of they don't have the capital free in Q4. The new owner may choose to prop up in Q1 Paramount's film studios than make another investment into NCAA sports; but who knows. I heard of rumors about divesting CBS sports from Paramount.

I could imagine Apple taking them on a loss, just to get more of a footprint in the NCAA.
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11 wins with qbs that are probably in bottom 25% as far as throwing

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Boston Rebel 2 said:
Our running game was a lot better this year which opens up the passing game. Hajj missed a lot of wide open guys Maiava wouldn't have. It would have been different more TD's and more picks but overall he is better than Hajj.
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A lot of the running stats have to do with Hajj improvising on broken plays which pumped up the numbers. I think half of Marion's playcalls were just **** it, send dudes out on 25 yard patterns and let Hajj figure it out.
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NIU TO MWC

dcut03
TheMatrix31 said:
Are they being selective or just running out of quality schools like the MW? Tulane and Memphis saying no really put the screws to them and then UNLV coming back and saying no really did
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I think Both.

They are running out of options, and their last selection will likely hurt their average payouts from what they have right now.

I have seen a tweet, I didn't have time to grab it, that reported that the PAC is looking at a 14 mil./school deal since using Octogon. I don't buy that until I see it, but it is possible that they were able to add another media partner to sweeten the deal since signing with Octagon. I think they have been only working with the CW and maybe one other (CBS/Fox/Apple) up to this point.

They may try another pass at schools that have already turned them down. My guess they are willing to wait it out to see if anyone changes their mind or finding some other school that won't hurt their bottom line before adding a lower school, especially a FCS school.
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It's all G5....

Bullmastiff 1
dcut03 said:
Boise is the best for sure.

But SDSU, CSU, USU, and Fresno has generally been better than every team in the leftover MW other than AFA, SJSU, and not until recently UNLV.

They have some of the best attendance numbers, despite most of them having down years. USU was towards the bottom, but they did have some significant coach turmoil. They had one of the biggest delta's over last season. With Bronco, it would be safe to say that their attendance bounces back quite a bit.

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Competitively? Sure hard to say, though historically overall the PAC definitely stronger in football., recently not as much.

Basketball it isn't even close.

UNLV is in the drivers seat for MW football now, AFA and SJSU should be near the top, then it drops off significantly, Their bottom would be our middle, our bottom is well way down there.

SO yes overall SOS will be much stronger. And yes any MW team better have some notable OOC upsets. The PAC is going to win any tiebreakers if it comes down to that playoff spot.

The PAC has a clue, which is why they are separating to begin with. The MW has a lot of dead weight with media value and competitiveness. The MW is adding teams, but many have been teams of little value, that will likely drop media payouts for everyone.

The PAC knew what they were looking at with a merger. They are going through all of this trouble because it is worth it. Conference realignment has and always been about money.

So I think they will easily get more annual contract money. I think it is hard to argue that. It is really a question of how much
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Between 8-12 million. If they were getting valuations higher than that I think Memphis would have made the jump last time.

Media deal is the one sticking point for me and UNLV not joining the PAC. An extra 3-5 million (potentially) a year would be nice..

I'll stand by if there is no BIG12 invite then this was mistake long term. If there is then it was the right call.

Not because of conference prestige or whatever. Just dollars and cents of it. You can only go to the booster well so many times. At some point you have to be able to fund projects, hire coaches etc on your own.
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