IMO the smartest potential move by the PAC at this point would be to offer UNLV, USU, Air Force and Wyoming and dissolve the MWC to avoid exit fees and poaching penalties and bring the number to 10. Then look east.

Meister_Rebel said:

More realignment thoughts to feed our brains.

Mailbag: On the massive Pac-12 expansion penalties, AAC options, the Mountain West’s future and more

In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.

www.spokesman.com

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There are several areas of Wilner's answers that don't cover everything. I do like his reporting by the way. When he talks about the Pac-12 could delay the poaching fee for weeks or months by throwing lawyers into the picture he failed to mention the risk. The Scheduling Agreement unlike the old Pac-12 conference contract is very tight and wrote something into the contract in anticipation of that. What the Scheduling Agreement added was that if the poaching fee is not paid on time then there will be interest accrued compounded daily based on a specific market rate. So sure they can pay lawyers and lose more money that way but end up costing themselves more than the $43 million. The Pac 12 and lawyers can fight it but it is a contract that all parties agreed to just 9 months ago.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

If you're referring to Tark and basketball from 40 years ago it's not a great comparison.

Basketball rosters being significantly smaller for one. The landscape of college sports was completely different.

Aside from Villanova (And you can argue basketball has an extra power conference with Big East and their massive media deal) , how many non power conference national champions have there been since UNLV?

Conference affiliation and revenue streams they provide do matter.

Why were 3 teams from the AAC just poached to BIG12? Why not a really good CUSA team. Or somebody killing it in the Sun Belt?


Conference affiliation and revenue the media deals provide creates ceilings for programs.

Sure you can punch above your weight to some degree, but only so much.

It also impacts recruiting. It impacts attracting potential boosters.

I'm not saying conference affiliation is everything but more money is better than less money.

It's why successful schools jump from G5 to P4 conferences.

Hell even G5 to G5 happens. You don't think Liberty won't jump to AAC to get the hell out of CUSA if they got an offer? Before all this PAC nonsense, you don't think UTEP and NMSU wouldn't have jumped CUSA to the MWC if offered?

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But who moves from one G5 to another with a penalty of $115 mill? Even if it s negotiated with a 10% discount similar to SMU that still breaks down to over $25 mill per school with no media deal?

Meister_Rebel said:

That makes all of our Presidents dumb as well since they all signed off on the Scheduling Agreement.

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Correct!

LVRebel2000 said:

I feel like Kansas will fix things, but yeah, overall, the wins aren't as impressive as originally thought. Even still, winning on the road is tough, so we'll take it. Really need a win vs Fresno next week at home though as the SJSU and Syracuse games are looking tougher than we thought before the season started

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They just need to stop giving up scores at the end of each half... they've lost 3 leads in the 4th and have given up TDs at end of both 1st halves in last 2 weeks...

Gator 82 said:

Even with Syracuse, Memphis and NIU losing today. I doubt we’ll be ranked in the AP Top 25 this week with both KU and Houston losing. I wouldn’t doubt it if we even lose a few votes. Those 2 wins just don’t look that impressive anymore.

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Rebels actually moved up to #23 in the Coaches Poll this week.

More realignment thoughts to feed our brains.

Joe, he at least a potential to be as good Minshew.

InZoneU said:

As I see it. Also just be very good and none of this jerkoff over conference talk matters. If you're good enough, you'll find your way through.

If anyone can understand this concept, it should be UNLV fans.

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If you're referring to Tark and basketball from 40 years ago it's not a great comparison.

Basketball rosters being significantly smaller for one. The landscape of college sports was completely different.

Aside from Villanova (And you can argue basketball has an extra power conference with Big East and their massive media deal) , how many non power conference national champions have there been since UNLV?

Conference affiliation and revenue streams they provide do matter.

Why were 3 teams from the AAC just poached to BIG12? Why not a really good CUSA team. Or somebody killing it in the Sun Belt?


Conference affiliation and revenue the media deals provide creates ceilings for programs.

Sure you can punch above your weight to some degree, but only so much.

It also impacts recruiting. It impacts attracting potential boosters.

I'm not saying conference affiliation is everything but more money is better than less money.

It's why successful schools jump from G5 to P4 conferences.

Hell even G5 to G5 happens. You don't think Liberty won't jump to AAC to get the hell out of CUSA if they got an offer? Before all this PAC nonsense, you don't think UTEP and NMSU wouldn't have jumped CUSA to the MWC if offered?

InZoneU said:

As I see it. Also just be very good and none of this jerkoff over conference talk matters. If you're good enough, you'll find your way through.

If anyone can understand this concept, it should be UNLV fans.

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💯. Boise did exactly this and it was in the old WAC conference which include USU, Reno, Hawaii, NMSU and other G5 schools.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I get that but do you really think Vegas is turning anything down?

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Vegas is still a hot market for tournaments. It gives fans an outlet to party and have a good time. They don't need our money to host a tournament. All, I'm implying is they shouldn't get our money for something they are going to do anyway. I don't think the LVCVA withholding a half million dollars is going to keep them from coming.

TimothyC3 said:

It makes a lot of sense if you accept the fact that there are a lot of incompetent people in high positions such as college athletic directors and administrators. Before any commitment to leave was made, the very first question that should have been asked is what is the media deal? With who and how much per school? The next question should have who are the other target schools and how many? It took me only a simple google search to find out that the exit fee from the AAC was $27.5 mill and SMU negotiated it down to $25 mill last year. How realistic is it to think Memphis or Tulane will pay $25 mill to join a west coast G5 conference? Now the primary targets are UNLV and USU? Who is going to pay the exit and poaching fees for UNLV and USU? Also, if WSU or OSU had value the BIG or Big 12 would have invited them. Now it appears WSU and OSU are going to blow the $250 mill windfall to try to create a G5 super conference when the money could be better spent to improve their programs (infrastructure and coaches salaries) so they are better situated for the next round of expansion.

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As I see it. Also just be very good and none of this jerkoff over conference talk matters. If you're good enough, you'll find your way through.

If anyone can understand this concept, it should be UNLV fans.

Meister_Rebel said:

This is not the old Pac-12. This new pac12, except for WSU, isn't going to travel and spend money in Vegas.

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I get that but do you really think Vegas is turning anything down?

dcut03 said:

That could be the case, but it makes no sense. Whatsoever.
First, the MW 4 wouldn't have left to create a conference with no financial benefits and also pay for the privilege.
Second, that is exactly the same money as the current MW. Taking 4 of the best markets plus the PAC 2 without the dead weight of the MW. There is no possible way that it wouldn't be higher. The math does not make sense.
More reports say 10-12. Who knows what it will be and to be honest it really depends on how they round out the rest of the conference.

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It makes a lot of sense if you accept the fact that there are a lot of incompetent people in high positions such as college athletic directors and administrators. Before any commitment to leave was made, the very first question that should have been asked is what is the media deal? With who and how much per school? The next question should have who are the other target schools and how many? It took me only a simple google search to find out that the exit fee from the AAC was $27.5 mill and SMU negotiated it down to $25 mill last year. How realistic is it to think Memphis or Tulane will pay $25 mill to join a west coast G5 conference? Now the primary targets are UNLV and USU? Who is going to pay the exit and poaching fees for UNLV and USU? Also, if WSU or OSU had value the BIG or Big 12 would have invited them. Now it appears WSU and OSU are going to blow the $250 mill windfall to try to create a G5 super conference when the money could be better spent to improve their programs (infrastructure and coaches salaries) so they are better situated for the next round of expansion.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Vegas isn't banning any potential revenue stream.

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This is not the old Pac-12. This new pac12, except for WSU, isn't going to travel and spend money in Vegas.

RebNReno said:

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.

www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.

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Vegas isn't banning any potential revenue stream.

RebNReno said:

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.

www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.

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Honestly i like the idea. I don't think it would happen, but if it did, that would be a sogn that the City and resorts actually give a crap about UNLV. It would also show that the city is ready to support UNLV.

RebNReno said:

Hill: Las Vegas ban of Pac-12 could help secure UNLV’s future

The Pac-12 should not believe it has access to the stadiums, arenas and meeting rooms of Las Vegas without accepting UNLV into the conference.

www.reviewjournal.com

Ban the PAC12 from Vegas! I don’t think you can but here’s a LVRJ article. I doubt Vegas interest in this new version of the PAC will be anything like the old PAC12. They need UNLV if they want to own this market.

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I won't like it if the LVCVA gives them $500,000 for hosting their basketball tournament in Las Vegas if we are not part of that realignment. Why give money earned for our residents via room taxes to a group that doesn't want us. That shyt has to stop.

Meister_Rebel said:

I have a feeling we were attacked from within. Like @1Tripoda would call them "snakes". Here we were negotiating the scheduling agreement then the next thing you know the rug was pulled out from under us. Someone had inside information and used it against us.

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It is possible that this was always going to be the plan. Then poaching agreement when we did the other scheduling agreement is the weird part of it. Maybe PAC knew they had to take the hit so they just agreed to it. They were pretty desperate when everyone left.
But it did seem like a merger was going to happen and that poaching fee seem to help that out.

j. spilotro said:

You always want a capable backup. Even a back up to a back up. Schools with deep pockets can buy insurance policies.

He’s not going to the NFL.

I never, ever said he sucked, not while he was here, not after he left. He’s a good college quarterback. Very solid. Has some limitations, does some things pretty well, other things very well.

But I don’t see him in the NFL. Enough so that I am willing to lay down money on it.

Maybe you’re right, maybe it is too early to tell. But it’s too early to tell whether Jacob Bannarbie will play in the NBA. I’ll bet you he won’t. Too early to tell is a great hedger though, it’s along the lines of “slow growth is the way forward”.

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Because according to you people never improve, never learn from their mistakes. We are all exactly what we will be at 17 and 18. No coach, team, player ever gets better. Of course for overwhelming evidence that it does all of the time. But that takes patience and us Rebel fans need instant gratification because we are too good to wait and earn it. Like everyone else.
I agree he lacks wowing measurables. But thing is QB is the one position where that doesn't matter, with the exception of needing to make certain throws.
Maiava can make all of throws. There are plenty of cases where QBs make it to the NFL with strong upperclassmen seasons. Playing as back ups. In fact there may be more cases of that in recent memory over multi year starters.
I am not saying he is a sure fire NFL player. I just think it is too early to say as a sopthroes.
Time will tell. Sure they have a stud QB prospect coming in, but they let that same level of player go to bring in Maiava this past off-season. He should be more worried about a transfer TBH.
Barnarbie? Come on Joe. Can you ever make a point without a ridiculous comparison? Maiava was a solid 3-4 star recruit (was out highest ever recruit at the time) who had P5 interest. Then was in a bidding war between 2 of the biggest programs in college football. JB was a complete unknown.

dcut03 said:

This was her biggest mistake. She was too bullish with them. Merger talks were going well and she played hardball thinking that the PAC had no leverage. Then she pushed hard on upping the scheduling agreement for year 2.
All of this is probably moot because just due to economics I thought this was the path that the PAC would go. But it does seem that Neverez made their decision much easier by basically antagonizing them.
Now the MW is in trouble.

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I have a feeling we were attacked from within. Like @1Tripoda would call them "snakes". Here we were negotiating the scheduling agreement then the next thing you know the rug was pulled out from under us. Someone had inside information and used it against us.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I'm rubber you're glue will get you banned though.

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** Looking for the ban button **
Remembering that I'm not a mod.

Do I still have access to Joe Force One, though?

rickyb55 said:

Who do you talk to still?

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Matt L - baseball player
Rhett B - his long-time friend (they still are)
Kristy G - 1993 I think but still friends with Rhett, if not Matt

Rebel1986 said:

Considering how well the defensive coach has done, not so sure he wouldn't end up as the next head coach if they took an assistant.

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Year 2 with Scherer has been very good. I do think our offense will be more effective. And we know that Marion is the sole architect of the offense.
Odom gives Scherer all the credit, but Odom is the type of guy that would give his assistants credit oven if he has a major role. So hard to say.
But I think Scherer should be seriously considered if it comes to that. But I can also see Odom bringing Scherer with him and potentially paying him more than we would offer as a HC.