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I may not be reading you correctly. If you get 6 of 8 (75%) to dissolve the conference then the two votes voting to keep the conference just lost.
Because just like the Pac 2, they would sue. They can vote to dissolve all they want, but if the 6 voting had a financial deal arranged before, the other 2 would have a sure fire argument that disolving the conference in order to keep their new landing place from taking a financial hit is a bit quid pro quo...
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If two schools vote not to dissolve then the rest are out of luck and will be forced to pay the fees. 75% vote required. Do not believe Hawaii has a vote. If any deals pays less to the lower teams, not sure why they would give up all that money to get nothing?

I get it.

But let's say USU and UNLV announce going to PAC.

Reno, UNM, SJSU, Wyo hold out and get a pile of cash..

Now what for them?

Take that money and try and poach CUSA teams?

I'm not disagreeing with just saying what is their next step?

There's so many ways this could break.

It doesn’t mean UNLV isn’t real, but 3-0 UNLV won against teams that are 2-9

They lost by 3 on a walk off field goal to the team #8. It's not ridiculous at all.

The loss column is exceptionally over valued in CFB rankings. They ran for almost 350 and passed for over 250 vs Portland State having 1 turnover, low penalties/yards, and 70% 3rd down conversion. They won by 42. They did what they needed to do. The beat GASO on the road in what was a game I think most of us would have assumed they rolled a little easier.
If you are going to take a 3 point loss as a positive point, you also need to look at the fact they struggled to beat a 2-2 Georgia Southern that lost by 39 to Ole Miss. I give them credit for playing Oregon close, but that was sandwiched between two other weak teams. As for Oregon, I think they are way over ranked and will end up losing to UCLA next week. I also understand that the huge negative for UNLV is that Houston looked bad this week, and Kansas found another way to lose in the 4th quarter, so UNLV needs to continue to win, and the BSU game may be for all the marbles next month.
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I'll believe Big12 when it happens.

And I get the reluctance at getting a smaller cut to join PAC. But not joining and making significantly less in
new media deal is also a competitive disadvantage.

None of these scenarios are ideal I think we can all agree on that.
What is this new media deal for the PAC in 2026?

Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC

It makes a lot of sense if you accept the fact that there are a lot of incompetent people in high positions such as college athletic directors and administrators. Before any commitment to leave was made, the very first question that should have been asked is what is the media deal? With who and how much per school? The next question should have who are the other target schools and how many? It took me only a simple google search to find out that the exit fee from the AAC was $27.5 mill and SMU negotiated it down to $25 mill last year. How realistic is it to think Memphis or Tulane will pay $25 mill to join a west coast G5 conference? Now the primary targets are UNLV and USU? Who is going to pay the exit and poaching fees for UNLV and USU? Also, if WSU or OSU had value the BIG or Big 12 would have invited them. Now it appears WSU and OSU are going to blow the $250 mill windfall to try to create a G5 super conference when the money could be better spent to improve their programs (infrastructure and coaches salaries) so they are better situated for the next round of expansion.
Tim you are kind of making my point for me?
Do you really think the PAC 12 is THAT incompetent. And that they were able to get 4 of our best schools to abandon ship without knowing these things.
So you tell me how by cutting out all the fat of the MW, and Adding OSU and WAZZU, 2 teams that at the very least match, if not exceed the value of the other schools, will make the same as the MW with all of those nothing markets? You can't tell me that you believe the 4-6 million dollar reports.
Also read my other post, no one has ever paid full value of exit fees. it averages about 60%. SMU was an anomaly.
Also no other conference realignment move has been done without the blessing of a media contract. We have not had a situation where moves were made and several weeks or even day occurred before they announced what the contract is. PAC isn't done, we all know that.
Gould used the term "swinging for the fences". They knew that they may not get their primary targets. Also have you noticed that Memphis still hasn't declined their offer. If it was so ridiculous for them, wouldn't that be clear by now?
It is very possible that the AAC is playing hardball as well, and they are trying to work it out. Also those east coast schools may be playing hardball to get the ACC or Big 12 to make a move. Probably likely.
The PAC will eat the poaching fees. The exit fees will get negotiated down, but who knows by how much. UNLV and USU may be playing the waiting game, to get their poaching cut, then use that to pay probably half of the exit fees. Then they are making 10 mil a year, and will have 5 mil to pay. Sounds pretty reasonable.

Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC

Why on earth would those 2 do that? They'd be in line for like a 200 million dollar war chest and financially cripple the Pac 12s war chest... they could easily collect the money and then merge into A smaller conference and enter with a ton of cash
I may not be reading you correctly. If you get 6 of 8 (75%) to dissolve the conference then the two votes voting to keep the conference just lost.

Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC

With a full complement of MWC teams at 12 it needed 9 (75%) to end the conference. Now, assuming Hawaii gets a vote 75% would make it 6 teams. All the PAC has to do is invite the 6 and have them vote to dissolve the MW conference prior to them announcing their departure to the PAC. This way there will be no exit fees and the poaching fees disappear.

Now the PAC is at 12 schools. It can then take the two worst MWC teams it absorbed and relegate them to minimum revenue distribution. Maybe even relegate the bottom 4. That way the top 8 schools will maximize in revenue. The two PAC schools won't have to spend a dime and use that money to better their athletic departments.
Why on earth would those 2 do that? They'd be in line for like a 200 million dollar war chest and financially cripple the Pac 12s war chest... they could easily collect the money and then merge into A smaller conference and enter with a ton of cash
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Not sure how that would lead to dissolution. I don't think the traitorous 4 have a vote anymore, and 8 traitors, even if they could vote, aren't enough to dissolve. The Pac-2 is stuck paying the $43M and whatever else we will owe if we poach further. Don't think our money would stretch to 8 poaches, obviously depending on what we are committing to in terms of helping with exit fees. Sure wish someone would leak that info.

This whole thing is just a cluster. We have a Commissioner that was/is totally biased as keeping the Pac keeps her employed, no matter how much money she blows along the way. Your Commissioner had the interests of the entire MW in her mind, which is admirable but which blew up in her face. IMHO, the remaining question is who do we poach in addition to UNLV, and when. SJSU has raised their profile, but a 21,000 seat stadium isn't going to cut it. "plans" for restoring seating? I like Wyoming but geez they are sucking.

Relative to the wounded MW - I don't see the potential FCS prospects as being realistic. First, why would any of them jump anywhere? They seem to be doing just fine. And of the obvious ones (Montana, MSU, ND State and SD State), Montana is the only one with a 20,000 plus stadium.
If you look at the size of SUDS's stadium that makes it sound great. But, they are lucky to get 50% attendance. They may report higher numbers but I'm guessing they are counting beer cans in the concession stands.

It doesn’t mean UNLV isn’t real, but 3-0 UNLV won against teams that are 2-9

They lost by 3 on a walk off field goal to the team #8. It's not ridiculous at all.

The loss column is exceptionally over valued in CFB rankings. They ran for almost 350 and passed for over 250 vs Portland State having 1 turnover, low penalties/yards, and 70% 3rd down conversion. They won by 42. They did what they needed to do. The beat GASO on the road in what was a game I think most of us would have assumed they rolled a little easier.
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Path to dissolution.

We are at 8 currently.
Hawaii is football only. I do not know if they get a vote or not. Let's assume yes for now.

AFA is probably going to AAC. It's why I've said they are a huge piece in how this plays out.

AFA leaves now down to 7.

We technically are now no longer a conference unless we can add some schools.

I don't think remaining schools would vote to dissolve the conference.

BUT...

You can bet Presidents and ADs are on the phone right now with CUSA/PAC/AAC etc looking for potential landing spots.

And if enough of them feel relocating is better than trying to cobble the MWC back together they could vote to dissolve removing exit fees.
If two schools vote not to dissolve then the rest are out of luck and will be forced to pay the fees. 75% vote required. Do not believe Hawaii has a vote. If any deals pays less to the lower teams, not sure why they would give up all that money to get nothing?
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Path to dissolution.

We are at 8 currently.
Hawaii is football only. I do not know if they get a vote or not. Let's assume yes for now.

AFA is probably going to AAC. It's why I've said they are a huge piece in how this plays out.

AFA leaves now down to 7.

We technically are now no longer a conference unless we can add some schools.

I don't think remaining schools would vote to dissolve the conference.

BUT...

You can bet Presidents and ADs are on the phone right now with CUSA/PAC/AAC etc looking for potential landing spots.

And if enough of them feel relocating is better than trying to cobble the MWC back together they could vote to dissolve removing exit fees.
With a full complement of MWC teams at 12 it needed 9 (75%) to end the conference. Now, assuming Hawaii gets a vote 75% would make it 6 teams. All the PAC has to do is invite the 6 and have them vote to dissolve the MW conference prior to them announcing their departure to the PAC. This way there will be no exit fees and the poaching fees disappear.

Now the PAC is at 12 schools. It can then take the two worst MWC teams it absorbed and relegate them to minimum revenue distribution. Maybe even relegate the bottom 4. That way the top 8 schools will maximize in revenue. The two PAC schools won't have to spend a dime and use that money to better their athletic departments.
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Not sure how that would lead to dissolution. I don't think the traitorous 4 have a vote anymore, and 8 traitors, even if they could vote, aren't enough to dissolve. The Pac-2 is stuck paying the $43M and whatever else we will owe if we poach further. Don't think our money would stretch to 8 poaches, obviously depending on what we are committing to in terms of helping with exit fees. Sure wish someone would leak that info.

This whole thing is just a cluster. We have a Commissioner that was/is totally biased as keeping the Pac keeps her employed, no matter how much money she blows along the way. Your Commissioner had the interests of the entire MW in her mind, which is admirable but which blew up in her face. IMHO, the remaining question is who do we poach in addition to UNLV, and when. SJSU has raised their profile, but a 21,000 seat stadium isn't going to cut it. "plans" for restoring seating? I like Wyoming but geez they are sucking.


Path to dissolution.

We are at 8 currently.
Hawaii is football only. I do not know if they get a vote or not. Let's assume yes for now.

AFA is probably going to AAC. It's why I've said they are a huge piece in how this plays out.

AFA leaves now down to 7.

We technically are now no longer a conference unless we can add some schools.

I don't think remaining schools would vote to dissolve the conference.

BUT...

You can bet Presidents and ADs are on the phone right now with CUSA/PAC/AAC etc looking for potential landing spots.

And if enough of them feel relocating is better than trying to cobble the MWC back together they could vote to dissolve removing exit fees.
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They wouldn’t. Nickels and dimes you can rationalize. That’s 2-3x the amount.

shes a dunce. But we tend to think those at the top are geniuses, above criticism, they MUST know what they’re doing, they MUST be good - otherwise why would they be hired? Coaches, ADs, presidents, etc.

Once merit as a hiring tool was cast aside … you invite incompetence to prevail. Not every case, but before positions were always earned.
This puts even more value into UNLV if they can stay ranked and finish the season going to the 12 team playoff. None of the teams in the current PAC have relevance on a national level, so the only thing that would draw in a casual fan is a ranked team, and currently UNLV is the only ranked team.
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Thanks to Nebraska and Memphis getting dropped. Memphis didn't even get one vote. Ouch. Nebraska previously ranked #22 got just 7 votes.

AP is a joke those guys never watch the west coast games and base it on reputation which is why a one loss BSU team is ahead of us which is laughable.
Yeah, not sure how their 2 wins over Georgia St. and Portland St. are better than our 2 wins against Houston and Kansas.
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