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Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Bullmastiff 1
Jason Kelly said:
They didn't have 24 hours to sign.

Im talking about the GOR that was signed in December, a couple of months later. There are two distinct documents, if you were claiming distress on the MOU, I could get it, but they had months after the MOU when they signed the GOR in december.

Ill be graduating from law school this month at UNLV, but I'm not a contract experts. Hoping to become one though.
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Good lord man. I wasn't being literal.

I'm saying the PAC claims of duress are nonsense. They did not have to sign a scheduling agreement with the MWC. They could have signed one with CUSA. They had options.

I'm aware of the separate documents as well.

I'm making the point that people assume everything is iron clad and that may not be the case.
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
I'll ask again.

Why is the PAC scheduling / poaching fees, exit fees so much up for debate or will be negotiated down but somehow the contract UNLV signed is binding and iron clad and seals our fate.

UNLV could claim duress. They only had 24 hours to decide. UNLV could say they were mislead by the MWC and had no other option but to sign.

I mean the PAC is claiming duress...

Which is nonsense since they could have approached CUSA for a scheduling agreement. And if their argument is regionalism, not sure that holds any water since they attempted to poach schools from the AAC.

There's always loopholes.

None of us are lawyers that I know of except @reagan21 but he's useless since he only works on 18th century agrarian law, which isn't helpful n this scenario.
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They didn't have 24 hours to sign.

Im talking about the GOR that was signed in December, a couple of months later. There are two distinct documents, if you were claiming distress on the MOU, I could get it, but they had months after the MOU when they signed the GOR in december.

Ill be graduating from law school this month at UNLV, but I'm not a contract experts. Hoping to become one though.
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Contract is a contract is a contract.

The agreements that were signed are different. The excuses to break them could be similiar. If you're buying the PAC's duress defense. UNLV could say they were mislead by the MWC initially. Their opportunity to join the PAC was lost and they had no other option but to sign the GOR.

Yep sounds like total bs I know. But so does the PACs duress nonsense when they could just have easily gone into a scheduling agreement with CUSA. It would have been far cheaper for them I am sure.
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I actually agree with you.

It all seems moot to me because UNLV intends to be bound by this contract and I don't see them having any appetite on spending money in court.
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WarthogRebel said:
I don't believe NIL will ever be taken away. The NCAA has tried to moderate it but they have been overruled by courts every time.

The NCAA’s Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policy emerged from a mix of legal battles and shifting tides in college sports. It started with Ed O’Bannon’s 2009 lawsuit against the NCAA over his likeness being used in a video game without pay. The 2014 O’Bannon v. NCAA ruling chipped away at the NCAA’s amateurism rules, opening the door to limited benefits and sparking debate. Then, in 2019, California’s Fair Pay to Play Act—signed on September 30—allowed athletes to profit from endorsements starting in 2023. Other states followed, forcing the NCAA to adapt. On October 29, 2019, the NCAA voted to modernize its rules, but it wasn’t until the Supreme Court’s June 21, 2021, NCAA v. Alston decision—paired with looming state laws—that the NCAA acted fast, adopting an interim NIL policy on June 30, effective July 1, 2021.

That policy suspended old bylaws, letting athletes earn from endorsements, autographs, and social media deals, guided by state laws or school rules. The first big deal came instantly—Hercy Miller signed a $2 million contract with Web Apps America on July 1, 2021—followed by stars like the Cavinder twins with Boost Mobile. By mid-2022, donor-backed collectives were fueling NIL, blurring lines between endorsements and recruiting. The NCAA’s tried to rein it in, like with May 2022 guidance on boosters, but as of April 10, 2025, NIL’s a multi-billion-dollar force reshaping college sports, born from a push for fairness that the NCAA couldn’t outrun. ( Taken from Grok AI)
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I agree with you that it likely won't be taken away, but it's not really like NBA endorsements. In general, NBA players get endorsement deals because those companies believe that it will help their company to make more money, or get a different market share than they had previously.

In the cases of people like Livvy Dunne and the Cavinder twins, they're getting paid by these companies because of their looks, which is fine. Not necessarily due to their athletics, but it's definitely a combination of the two.

The NIL deals that we're talking about for football and basketball are not that though. And realistically, if they were about the individual athlete, would it really even matter too much which school they went to? Other than car ads or restaurants that are local to a certain area. But it's not like a small bar in Truckee is going to be paying a UNR athlete 500k, right?

I guess my point is, if you're actually getting paid by outside companies for NIL, it should actually be tied to a company, and a product, like with Livvy, Cavinders, etc. Otherwise, it's just a cheat code for the rich programs to be able to buy all the players.
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j. spilotro said:
We have a FB QB that leaves, so you think it was the player, the coach, or both? We blamed the player, but what if a coach promised something to him unbeknownst to the head coach? Who you going to blame, kid or coach? I still blame both.

Any bb player defection, it’s going to be both sides to some degree, imo, when the dust settles.

I’m just saying it’s what the game has become. Remember “idolizing” players? Having the utmost respect for them. That’s pretty dead. Once the lions share of kids finished school at a different place than they started (it’s always happened to some degree, but now it’s always), the game went to shit. 4 year players? Doesn’t happen much anymore. Can blame players, can blame the coaches, but it’s just the way society is, the culture of athletics, the de-evolution of what once was.
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and dont forget there's a 3rd party now with financial interest in kids transfer yearly for paydays... All the "NIL Agents" that are using kids to collect their 10-20% fee have incentive to advice their clients to look for bigger paydays.
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RebelScrub said:
Not watch anymore. Find a sport that caters to your attention span and political ideology.
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It isn't a matter of ideology or attention span, it is a fact that this is not sustainable, sooner or later the courts will be involved, or 90% of the current schools will close down their athletics over the next 20-30 years, or they will go to a lower division that doesn't offer scholarships to athletes!
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LVRebel2000 said:
The thing is though, are most of the dollars given to these athletes really tied to any sort of commercials, endorsements, etc? It would be pretty hard to justify giving a guy $2M a year to appear in 1 commercial and do a few signing events. It's just a way around being able to pay them through the school.

IMO, if, through profit sharing, they're basically allowing the schools to pay them, they should do away with the NIL stuff. Otherwise, you're just giving double the advantage to the P4 schools, and the schools with the most money/boosters.
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I don't believe NIL will ever be taken away. The NCAA has tried to moderate it but they have been overruled by courts every time.

The NCAA’s Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policy emerged from a mix of legal battles and shifting tides in college sports. It started with Ed O’Bannon’s 2009 lawsuit against the NCAA over his likeness being used in a video game without pay. The 2014 O’Bannon v. NCAA ruling chipped away at the NCAA’s amateurism rules, opening the door to limited benefits and sparking debate. Then, in 2019, California’s Fair Pay to Play Act—signed on September 30—allowed athletes to profit from endorsements starting in 2023. Other states followed, forcing the NCAA to adapt. On October 29, 2019, the NCAA voted to modernize its rules, but it wasn’t until the Supreme Court’s June 21, 2021, NCAA v. Alston decision—paired with looming state laws—that the NCAA acted fast, adopting an interim NIL policy on June 30, effective July 1, 2021.

That policy suspended old bylaws, letting athletes earn from endorsements, autographs, and social media deals, guided by state laws or school rules. The first big deal came instantly—Hercy Miller signed a $2 million contract with Web Apps America on July 1, 2021—followed by stars like the Cavinder twins with Boost Mobile. By mid-2022, donor-backed collectives were fueling NIL, blurring lines between endorsements and recruiting. The NCAA’s tried to rein it in, like with May 2022 guidance on boosters, but as of April 10, 2025, NIL’s a multi-billion-dollar force reshaping college sports, born from a push for fairness that the NCAA couldn’t outrun. ( Taken from Grok AI)
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WarthogRebel said:
Exactly. Just like professional sports. Professional players get their contracted pay from their team and are free to make additional deals with anyone. Commercials, endorsements etc.
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That's a decent point. Just sort of a spin on the old scam of giving the kid $10k envelopes under the table to turn on the sprinklers.
At the very least if they get paid NIL they should need to do the actual work for that money i.e. commercials, promotions, public appearances, etc.
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WarthogRebel said:
Exactly. Just like professional sports. Professional players get their contracted pay from their team and are free to make additional deals with anyone. Commercials, endorsements etc.
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The thing is though, are most of the dollars given to these athletes really tied to any sort of commercials, endorsements, etc? It would be pretty hard to justify giving a guy $2M a year to appear in 1 commercial and do a few signing events. It's just a way around being able to pay them through the school.

IMO, if, through revenue sharing, they're basically allowing the schools to pay them, they should do away with the NIL stuff. Otherwise, you're just giving double the advantage to the P4 schools, and the schools with the most money/boosters.
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LVRebel2000 said:
As of now, the revenue sharing is not the same as NIL. It's in addition to NIL. So P4 schools (or any that have money to do so) can pay out 20.5M per year from their own resources, while also getting NIL money to athletes through outside sources.
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Exactly. Just like professional sports. Professional players get their contracted pay from their team and are free to make additional deals with anyone. Commercials, endorsements etc.
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WarthogRebel said:
There is a salary cap. Their salary is revenue sharing. Revenue sharing is capped at $ 20.5 million per school.
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As of now, the revenue sharing is not the same as NIL. It's in addition to NIL. So P4 schools (or any that have money to do so) can pay out 20.5M per year from their own resources, while also getting NIL money to athletes through outside sources.
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Rebel1986 said:
Since it cost the tax payers for their scholarships, housing, food, etc.. maybe it is time to treat them like sub-contractors and not students. Remove the scholarships, do not require them to go to school anymore, and set up so all of their living expenses are paid only if they stay in the school for the length of the signed contract. If they leave early, then they owe all the money spent on them as well as interest and damages for not fulfilling their contract!
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Not watch anymore. Find a sport that caters to your attention span and political ideology.
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