Masked_rebel said:

That's part of my point on intent. If they can get the 4+2, plus say another 2 or 3 looking at AAC or CUSA they can vote to dissolve conference. The non-pac group would also need conference to dissolve to avoid ppaying a buyout. The remaining few left outs may pursue legal options, so there may be some $ needing to change hands, but probably well below the 111 million

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ckfitz said:

If we dissolve the MW Conference, and UNLV is not picked. What do we do then? Go independent for a while? If we were to play schools that have name recognition in various regions would that help our progress or is it too expensive? Getting into an area I don't know much about. But, in general, if the MW falls apart and they don't add quality institutions, would it be better to go Independent?

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ckfitz said:

If we dissolve the MW Conference, and UNLV is not picked. What do we do then? Go independent for a while? If we were to play schools that have name recognition in various regions would that help our progress or is it too expensive? Getting into an area I don't know much about. But, in general, if the MW falls apart and they don't add quality institutions, would it be better to go Independent?

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dcut03 said:

Again the big hole with this idea is giving up all of the exit fees.
If the MW is no more, the traitorous 4 likely do not have to pay. That's great for the 2-3 teams that may still have a landing spot, but not the rest.
The rest will want to stick together and hold onto the MW name and either rebuild with the best available or try to merge with the CUSA or something. Why vote to dissolve when they are destined to taking a paycut on their contract and forgoing the huge exit fees that they are already getting.

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Rebel1986 said:

I agree UNLV will need to leave one way or another, but there is zero benefit for schools like unr, Wyoming, etc.. who could wait and take the exit fee from Air Force and UNLV, and then decide what to do! Unless the MWC totally collapses, there are a handful of schools that have no other option at all!

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

They would discuss voting to dissolve the conference. There are technically only 7 teams as it stands with Hawaii being football only.

Here's why I think it would be smart for all parties involved. (And if there are holes in my theory feel free to tell me I'm an idiot).

Every team in the MWC should be looking for a new landing spot now.

There is no way the next media deal for the current MWC will match the last one with what was lost. There are no viable schools to poach to replace what was lost. The one school in the most trouble is UH.

So.

To avoid paying exit fees vote to dissolve the conference.

Here's where my theory probably hits some snags but...

Most if not all the schools could find a soft landing in CUSA. Assuming they want to expand. I believe CUSA would absolutely take UNM, UTAH STATE, WYOMING and RENO. I also think they would consider Hawaii football only. SJSU would be a solid addition getting them into the California market.

If they took 5 they get to 14. The biggest road block for Hawaii is travel cost. Not for them but the teams already in CUSA. They aren't exactly big money schools. This is why I think UH could be in a lot of trouble.

AFA would go to the AAC. I don't think there would be any hurdles here.

That leaves UNLV.

I don't believe the Regents will ultimately end up being anything more than a hurdle/minor annoyance with the whole Reno/UNLV tied at the hip nonsense.

The question then becomes does the PAC actually want UNLV?

I mean there's so many reasons to think they would. But it is possible they don't.

I'm going out on a limb that they would take UNLV. (I also believe Utah State might be a team they would consider oddly enough).

I also don't believe since they are football only Hawaii gets a vote.

Agree? Disagree?

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dcut03 said:

Again the big hole with this idea is giving up all of the exit fees.
If the MW is no more, the traitorous 4 likely do not have to pay. That's great for the 2-3 teams that may still have a landing spot, but not the rest.
The rest will want to stick together and hold onto the MW name and either rebuild with the best available or try to merge with the CUSA or something. Why vote to dissolve when they are destined to taking a paycut on their contract and forgoing the huge exit fees that they are already getting.

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Meister_Rebel said:

We dissolve the conference in 2026 so we all get to keep some of that money. Schools will find a home someplace. If Gloria is thinking to bring in FCS teams or merge with CUSA that would be horrible for us. Either way if we dissolve and get to keep some money or just leave the conference for AAC with AF and pay our exit fee we will be better off. Staying with a sinking ship is just crazy.

Obviously I don't know what the **** is going to happen but I'd like to see us have a plan rather than just sitting around waiting for the building to fall on our heads.

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Knight Rebel702 said:

Thank you for posting!

First time ever ? Where we not ranked in the Top 25 before under J Rob and when Randall played?

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rebeltob said:

It went from accusing Haitians of eating dogs and cats to accusing them eating ducks and geese to then only admitting animal sacrifice is part of Haitian voodoo culture and we can't have that happening here to Vance now admitting “to create stories so that the … media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people” which only happened after some lady who started all these rumors came out and said she made it up and didn't expect it to get this far/bad.

Vance “This problem [Haitians in Springfield] is so bad, I had to lie about how bad it is to get people to pay attention to it. Because if I talked about the actual problem without lying, people would think it didn’t actually sound that bad. That’s how bad it is.”

And then in the same interview Vance goes on to lie some more and call the Haitians illegal immigrants even though they are here legally through some protection order that Trump himself renewed in 2017. AND Vance knows they are here legally because he was just doing another interview where he argued for why Trump renewed their status while he was president.

Then you have the Republican Governor of Ohio coming out and saying it's not happening and that's coming from direct reports and conversations with the mayor and police chief of Springfield. He also goes on to emphasize the Haitians that were brought here legally under the protection order have been a positive for the Springfield/Ohio economy... And it's not even an anti-trump thing because at the end he says despite all this he thinks Trump will be better for the US economy and wants people to vote for him.

It would be nice to put the whole dog/cat eating thing to rest and actually focus on the nuances of immigration policy and the effects policies have on places where immigrants are placed and how to address those issues (because it does create issues and strain on communities and even if Hatians have been good economically that's still a lot of change for a smaller town and problems are going to arise).

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Applying Occam's razor (simplest path to an answer for the uneducated rubes!)

PAC didn't need and or want to take more teams because it would have brought on legal action.

Just needed to pull that first block out of the Jenga tower and then watch it eventually crash.

MWC is now in disarray. Hawaii is football only. So we technically only have 7 not 8 schools left.

Remaining schools in conference are now scrambling.

If I'm understanding how this works, if all schools vote to disband the conference there are no exit fees. (Correct me if I'm wrong here)

Now would they? I don't know, probably yes if they could coordinate a landing spot.

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Meister_Rebel said:

I don't know what legal action can be taken. It's been mentioned only on this board so I wouldn't put a lot of weight on it.

It goes up to 11 schools:

Institution #1 $10,000,000 $10,000,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #2 $10,500,000 $20,500,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #3 $11,000,000 $31,500,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #4 $11,500,000 $43,000,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #5 $12,000,000 $55,000,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #6 $12,500,000 $67,500,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #7 $13,000,000 $80,500,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #8 $13,500,000 $94,000,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #9 $14,000,000 $108,000,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #10 $14,500,000 $122,500,000

Accepting MWC Member Institution #11 $15,000,000 $137,500,000

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1Tripoda said:

Dont feel too bad, dude. You got a good one in Fresno. They are solid. The other 3 are whores.

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Loyal Coug1 said:

OK wait. The scheduling agreement runs the poaching fee up to 6 teams (maybe farther, I don't have access to it anymore). So if the agreement addresses 6 teams, how could poaching 6 teams bring on legal action?

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Loyal Coug1 said:

OK wait. The scheduling agreement runs the poaching fee up to 6 teams (maybe farther, I don't have access to it anymore). So if the agreement addresses 6 teams, how could poaching 6 teams bring on legal action?

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Hey don't leave yet. And I feel bad for the MW conference, and I am sad that we are doing exactly what was done to us.

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Masked_rebel said:

Naturally they'll add
State:
New Mexico St
Utah St
Not a State:
San Jose St
Sacramento St

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Applying Occam's razor (simplest path to an answer for the uneducated rubes!)

PAC didn't need and or want to take more teams because it would have brought on legal action.

Just needed to pull that first block out of the Jenga tower and then watch it eventually crash.

MWC is now in disarray. Hawaii is football only. So we technically only have 7 not 8 schools left.

Remaining schools in conference are now scrambling.

If I'm understanding how this works, if all schools vote to disband the conference there are no exit fees. (Correct me if I'm wrong here)

Now would they? I don't know, probably yes if they could coordinate a landing spot.

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Meister_Rebel said:

lol. Why would they back out?

As far as the Pac wanting UNLV from a quote from the SDSU President she said the four MWC schools Presidents did not have a vote in the decision. She said it was all based on metrics and analysis and the best four schools were chosen. Do I believe her? It doesn't really matter at this point.

Any way thanks for letting me post on your board over the last year or so. Wish us luck as we navigate this shit show. I'm just hoping we can catch a ride with AF and make a jump to the AAC at this point. I just don't see any other possible options for us unless the Pac changes their mind on us. Doesn't seem likely to me though. The MWC is going down in flames.

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Masked_rebel said:

Naturally they'll add
State:
New Mexico St
Utah St
Not a State:
San Jose St
Sacramento St

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Loyal Coug1 said:

Sorry bud but your post makes no sense. "No intentions of paying the money"? Which money are you talking about? This is going to get weird. The MW will get a shit ton of money regardless of who is writing the checks (The Pac-2, the 4 MW traitors, or more likely both). So if say AF bolts, they pay the exit fee plus don't share in the previous windfall? What a clusterf***.

Now let's just say the MW dissolves. Do the traitors get some of their money back as the assets get split? What about your own future NCAA BB allocations? What a mess. Our situation was a lot cleaner. The traitors bucked up $65M (can't really even remember why at this point), and the rest of our windfall was future RB contract $ and BB allocations and a smidge from the FBS.

Anyway, I have to believe that the Pac wants and will offer UNLV. And maybe did. We just need to figure out WTF happened and how to fix it.

One final wrinkle - how ironclad is this agreement with your traitors? Can they back out? That would suck (for the Pac-2).

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