dcut03 said:

Mullen is doing a good job using his TV presence to get on TV and thr talk about the program.
It does feel like he is using a pitch and not sure how much higher level interest he is truly getting like he is saying. Either way what he is doing is a good thing and I like it.
It is just a little concerning when all of the best remaining talent is putting their name in the portal and we haven't had a lot of good news yet. Some, not a lot.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Here's the thing when picking AFA over anybody.

I don't believe the service academy players get NIL money.

You are going to have a difficult time attracting players out of the portal to go to AFA.

You cannot red shirt players at the academies.

I'm talking about ability to win within 2 to 3 years.

Go through PAC/MWC and make a list of the jobs you think you could turn around or win at from easiest to toughest.

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dcut03 said:

Mullen is doing a good job using his TV presence to get on TV and thr talk about the program.
It does feel like he is using a pitch and not sure how much higher level interest he is truly getting like he is saying. Either way what he is doing is a good thing and I like it.
It is just a little concerning when all of the best remaining talent is putting their name in the portal and we haven't had a lot of good news yet. Some, not a lot.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

You think you could recruit and win at Wyoming quicker than SDSU, WSO, OSU, CSU, ?

I'm not talking about all the other stuff.

Where could you pull a 'Barry Odom' the quickest?

I'm talking get into the top 25. Push for a CFP birth?

Wyoming? Over OSU/WSU/CSU/SDSU or Fresno?
UNM?
RENO?
Hawaii?
UTEP?

I have to get all the way down to USU before I would consider taking a MWC job..

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Fair enough.

I'm just saying there's an argument that strength of conference isn't important and I believe it is and could be a determing factor when you have 6 conferences now fighting for one spot.

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WarthogRebel said:

Will the Rebels ever get to full strength? No.

Will we ever see a set 8 man rotation? Yes.

Will the Rebs win a game they aren’t supposed to? Yes. 2.

How many head scratchers will they lose? 3.

Will we ever pass the ball up court for a quick easy bucket? Yes. twice.

Will CKK turn things around and return next year? No.

Does Harp have a list in his pocket? Yes.

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oneepstein said:

I get what you’re saying here, but the flip side of it is where they started in any given season. If it’s YOUR eyeball doing the choosing and you believe that everything IS actually equal, THEN you give the nod to Boise because “better conference” means they’re likely the better team.

But let’s say the perception of Boise is down one year and they started out outside the Top 25 completely and maybe UNLV starts out ranked at 25 even… both run the table… who ends up ranked higher and who gets the “nod”?

Absent any other caveats, I’d say UNLV would.

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SilverSpoon said:

Bottom line will always come down to money.

The whole BSU vs. UNLV SOS and record actually comes down to eyeballs. Boise market is growing. But, no where near the way the Vegas market has/is. Regardless of competition and conferences, it'll always be about who turns on the most TVs.

Boise can play a harder conference schedule, but if UNLV has a strong OOC and embarrasses everyone in the MWC, they will always be in the picture if they bring enough fans and interest.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Liberty went undefeated. If Boise had same resume they have now with one loss who gets in Liberty or Boise?

I'm saying all things equal.

OOC for Boise and UNLV are the same.

UNLV runs the table in new MWC and Boise runs the table in the new PAC who gets the nod.?

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Liberty went undefeated. If Boise had same resume they have now with one loss who gets in Liberty or Boise?

I'm saying all things equal.

OOC for Boise and UNLV are the same.

UNLV runs the table in new MWC and Boise runs the table in the new PAC who gets the nod.?

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Masked_rebel said:

Thats a huge gap of variables... Whose got higher expectations? Are you considering football related reasons or do you like sunshine and beaches? Are you stepping stone or long term?
0- Listing as option 0 because its a bit unfair to every other program- AFA- coaching at the academy has its limitations, but they love their football, they love the coach, and they have ability as a program to be something much better every year because everyone wants to play the academies.
1- if Im a stepping stone guy with chops and 0 expectations I take the UNM job. You throw a season in there at 6-6 and your off out of ABQ. 6-6 is a pretty low bar
2- If I'm thinking long term than I'm choosing Wyoming or Fresno (ouch hurts to say that because Fresno is...).
3- Probably similar jobs are CSU, SJSU, USU, UTEP considering your statement that pay is all the same
4- If I'm thinking coach football, maybe win a bowl game, but man San Diego has nice weather and beaches...
5- OSU if you want high expectations but future limitations and likely to be fired in 3 years even if you make a bowl game... they're a mdi-tier G5 program that hasn't realized it for a decade.
6- WSU- long and short term are balanced. Pullman is a great college town but you're probably looking to move away quickly or their expectations force you out sooner than you'd like.
XXXXXXXX. Reno- Pretty obvious its the worst job in America right?
Leaving Hawaii off as well.. I d consider them a different category of job and not exactly in the same class of evaluation.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Recency bias is also a thing and people go SDSU is trash based on a few down years.

They also were right there with Boise not so long ago.

I'm not suggesting the gap between PAC/MWC is this massive void but it does exist.

It's simple question.

All jobs between PAC and MWC outside of Boise State and UNLV are open. You have your proverbial pick of the litter as a HC. They all want your services. The pays the same etc.

Start listing what jobs you would take based on potential in order and see how long your list is before you name your first MWC school.

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Mojo702 said:

Idk about that. Liberty with its yearly weak ass schedule would have gotten into playoffs the last couple of years

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1Tripoda said:

If I had to chose, I chose the school with the finest and sluttiest cheerleaders to attract players. JMHO

Infrastructure wise, SDSU, AFA are the top. Excluding BSU and UNLV

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

OOC is a wash between between UNLV and Boise State. Both go 3-1...Vs similiar competition.


You cannot seriously think that when it comes time for the CFP committee rankings that UNLV is getting the nod over Boise playing the new MWC schedule vs the PAC schedule.

It's not just football. look at basketball and tell me the new MWC is more than a 2 bid league.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Recency bias is also a thing and people go SDSU is trash based on a few down years.

They also were right there with Boise not so long ago.

I'm not suggesting the gap between PAC/MWC is this massive void but it does exist.

It's simple question.

All jobs between PAC and MWC outside of Boise State and UNLV are open. You have your proverbial pick of the litter as a HC. They all want your services. The pays the same etc.

Start listing what jobs you would take based on potential in order and see how long your list is before you name your first MWC school.

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Masked_rebel said:

Mullen...
But no, he uses the position coaches. At Florida it was his line coach and his TE coach.

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Masked_rebel said:

This is where perception and reality mix...
CSU had 1 good season under McElwain, was then 7-6 3 straight seasons and has been a mid-tier to bottom tier MWC team since. Historically, We'd look at them and go "sure would be nice to go bowling" but its not like they're a powerhouse some people are giving them credit for. Frankly outside Boise, every other MWC program has a similar pedigree, with ours coming more recently. Most have 1 era where they win an average amount of games, make a few bowls, maybe have 1 good season and then drop off the map. Fresno has had a little bit more longer sustained success with solid hires after Hill, but SDSU was terrible outside a season with Brady Hoke and a handful of seasons under Rocky Long. Utah St has had really bad years and some decent seasons, and then in between a mixed bag of results. That's pretty much true of WSU and OSU as well.
So our success is recent yes, but we are making huge investments in the program to hopefully sustain the winning that our "flash in the pan" seasons created. These other schools were not able to do so and WSU will probably regress back into this similar cycle, especially with their former coach absolutely torching the programs perception since departing for WF... Outside maybe Utah St. hiring Bronco which might make Boise a little worried starting in 2026, every program across both conferences have failed to parlay their success into anything more than a few good seasons here and there in between some bad ones. And dont argue "attendance and markets.." there are definitely better places as college towns that encourages attendance even with bad teams than Las Vegas Im looking at records and perceptions. that's why the whole "Pac 12 is better then the MWC" argument is ridiculous because each side is projecting strength through mediocrity with 1 brand carrying the flag for each...
******basketball is a different conversation- not relevant to football conversation*****

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1Tripoda said:

Correa, from Gorman, been tutored by Woodard. Playing for home team. Where are you going, kid? You aint that good. Melvin Laster is still on the team. That kid is a monster at the LB. I cannot wait to see what Arnett can do with these guys.
My concern is the recruitment of the offensive players. Without an OC, who is the chief recruiter for the offense. Dont say it is Mullen.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Correct.

There have definitely been some guys especially Camac that sting and will be a challenge to replace. Others not so much.

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1Tripoda said:

Yeah, I saw some of those names and said, "Who's dat?"
Yes, Mani Powell and Catalon are big loss but they follow CBO from Ark.
Burrell is good but he's been replaced with that kid from Utah.
Chittenden and Nichols ....WTF? You are kickers. Where are you going?
Fisher Camac. Going to be stud. Big loss.
Grimes another big loss.
I hope Marsel McDuffie stays.

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