A couple of things.
I don't see why people think that the media deal between the 2 conferences will be close.

They took our 4 best markets adding it to their 2 markets which is likely better than all of our markets. Then USU which is probably upper middle for us. They will have to get one more team which may be filler. We will have all of our old filler, then pay for the privilege for more teams that will be filler. Filler drops media contract value.

People are exited about Montana schools? A STATE with 200k people in it? That's not moving the needle.

The PAC will announce their media deal as soon as they are finished. They have not hidden that all of the moves they have done at this point has been with the guidance of their to be named media partners. They aren't throwing out fake numbers when approaching teams, it has been coming from the the partners ready to pay that bill. I believe that 12 mil was the value if they got all of their first choices. It won't be that, but they still have the initial6 which is as much of 3/4th of their top markets. I doubt it gets any less than 8 mil per year, unless they REAALY reach for that last school.

The MW war chest will be likely closer to 100 mil after negotiations and IF the lawsuit doesn't work. Giving UNLV and AFA half of that is cool I guess. But that does help the league get stronger. BTW the PAC war chest after everything was settled was more that 200 million.
Simple as this. The PAC will have a much better media contract. UNLV is the MW best market, it would be the PAC's 7th.

The is NO way we get AAC teams when the PAC could not. None.

This year's annual contract is only 6 million because of the PAC 2 agreement. It goes down to 5 next season.

The ONLY way this makes ANY sense is A: This deal does not bind the UNLV to the MW beyond 2 years AND B: UNLV has had enough discussions with the B12 that there is more than a slight chance they will take us in 2 years.

Otherwise we traded 3 mill at best a year for 25 million now, instead of paying 9 million dollars for 8+ million a year to play in a better conference by basically any other metric.

It feels like we were dealt a king and ace of diamonds in texas hold em and we went all in before even seeing the flop.

Only at UNLV..

Could you somehow manage being gifted the Mendenhall Center and Fertitta football complex, access to playing in a state of the art football stadium, hire a coach capable of turning your program around and somehow parlay yourself into a worse conference vs when you had no facility, were slumming it at Sam Boyd with Mike Sanford at the helm.

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Rosegreen1 said:

I’m assuming inflation plays a role. The value of a dollar is different than it was in 2019.

That being said I’m assuming CBS is driving the bus on who the MWC should invite, should be interesting to see. The lvrj article hints that invites will be going out soon.

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That will ease the mind quite a bit. (Imvites)

However the inflation part isn't great. Like you said six million doesn't go as far as it use to.

So Gloria/MWC saying it isn't going to lessen is a little bit of semantics since even though it's the same number it's not worth as much.

But it is better than an actual lessening.

Seriously it felt like this.

UNLV gets gifted a 30 million dollar football facility.

They have access to playing in a state of the art Stadium.

Hire a coach that is recruiting at a high level and winning games.

And some how parlayed that into being 'demoted' to CUSA 2.0.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I'd be shocked if that's true considering the markets we lost. How couldn't it go down?

I'm mean holy hell that's great if that's the case.

But I'm skeptical how 6 teams is equal to 12 for a media deal.

Hey maybe I'm selling Gloria short. Maybe all this time she's had two phones to here ear. One telling the PAC to show her the money and the other lining up schools I thought were out of reach.

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I’m assuming inflation plays a role. The value of a dollar is different than it was in 2019.

That being said I’m assuming CBS is driving the bus on who the MWC should invite, should be interesting to see. The lvrj article hints that invites will be going out soon.

Rosegreen1 said:

The pac was rejected by 3-4 schools this week and unlv, they don’t have a central time zone school. The shine has worn off on this renovation job by OSU and Wazzu. They scrambled to invite Utah state and filed a lawsuit against the MW.

Not a good week for the PAC, it is essentially a regional conference that they did NOT want to become.

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Appreciate you getting me to take one step back from the ledge.

Rosegreen1 said:

Interesting tidbit on lvrj reporting the next media deal will NOT be less.

“Mountain West schools currently make almost $6 million annually in overall payouts. League officials have informed UNLV that preliminary negotiations indicate that number should not decrease when a new media rights deal is signed despite the loss of several name-brand institutions.”


I also wonder if unlv had stipulations or clause that if a conference that is not named PAC12 invited unlv, that we wouldn’t be subject to penalties.

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I'd be shocked if that's true considering the markets we lost. How couldn't it go down?

I'm mean holy hell that's great if that's the case.

But I'm skeptical how 6 teams is equal to 12 for a media deal.

Hey maybe I'm selling Gloria short. Maybe all this time she's had two phones to her ear. One telling the PAC to show her the money and the other lining up schools I thought were out of reach.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Interesting thanks for that tidbit.

Here's a couple thoughts.

UNLV and Air Force aren't bound to this until they receive money correct?

(I'm about to go super conspiracy theory right now. And no I don't believe what I'm about to say has even the slightest chance of happening but here goes)

Was reported that AAC commish had eyes on UNLV and AFA. Was also rumored in a CBS Sports article I think? that one of the AAC commish's possible plans to keep Memphis and company was to add more pieces in an attempt to bolster the conference and open up new markets. Those pieces mentioned were UNLV and AFA.

What if there's even more going on behind the scenes. What if this was a play by UNLV and AFA to stick it to the PAC get some cash, allowing Gloria time to bolster the MWC with the agreement UNLV and AFA could bolt to the AAC without penalty in the future.

I feel dumber for even suggesting it but one can dream right?

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The pac was rejected by 3-4 schools this week and unlv, they don’t have a central time zone school. The shine has worn off on this renovation job by OSU and Wazzu. They scrambled to invite Utah state and filed a lawsuit against the MW.

Not a good week for the PAC, it is essentially a regional conference that they did NOT want to become.

unlove said:

Hopefully the extra $$ UNLV & AFA receive is for not leaving the MWC, which would have effectively ended it, not for agreeing to stay beyond the current media deal. The PAC really gave UNLV & AFA all the leverage. Presumably they assumed both or at least one school would come running over, but UNLV couldn’t afford the exit fees without PAC help and AFA would go a different direction if it were to move. Notably, UNLV’s new CFO is from the AFA and has deep ties with it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he played a role in keeping the two schools united.

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I don't think Air Force and UNLV goals line up the same. Cadets are mandated to support their fellow cadets in attendance even if they're playing "little sisters of the poor." All the schools that left were my circled games. It will be a ghost town We can't have a former Air Force cadet thinking for us Rebels. By definition we are the opposite of each other.

Rosegreen1 said:

Depends on who the conference decides to partner with on a tv contract that is willing to “invest” and collaborate on who to invite. If it is CBS they are going to want to stay in the California and Texas markets, they may even want to stick it to CW and the defectors.

There’s a reason why Memphis, Tulane have not taken the pac up on their offer to this point. They don’t have the money or the offers are low balls. Everyone’s waiting on the ACC to blow up, if it does then all eyes are on the Texas schools because Tulane and Memphis will go to the ACC.

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That's a solid take. You could be right. It's a lot better than the Alex Jones conspiracy theory I just came up with in another post..🤣

I quit chewing after years and years and sometimes these nicotine pouches just don't cut it and my stress level goes through the roof. 🙂

Interesting tidbit on lvrj reporting the next media deal will NOT be less.

“Mountain West schools currently make almost $6 million annually in overall payouts. League officials have informed UNLV that preliminary negotiations indicate that number should not decrease when a new media rights deal is signed despite the loss of several name-brand institutions.”


I also wonder if unlv had stipulations or clause that if a conference that is not named PAC12 invited unlv, that we wouldn’t be subject to penalties.

unlove said:

Hopefully the extra $$ UNLV & AFA receive is for not leaving the MWC, which would have effectively ended it, not for agreeing to stay beyond the current media deal. The PAC really gave UNLV & AFA all the leverage. Presumably they assumed both or at least one school would come running over, but UNLV couldn’t afford the exit fees without PAC help and AFA would go a different direction if it were to move. Notably, UNLV’s new CFO is from the AFA and has deep ties with it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he played a role in keeping the two schools united.

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Interesting thanks for that tidbit.

Here's a couple thoughts.

UNLV and Air Force aren't bound to this until they receive money correct?

(I'm about to go super conspiracy theory right now. And no I don't believe what I'm about to say has even the slightest chance of happening but here goes)

Was reported that AAC commish had eyes on UNLV and AFA. Was also rumored in a CBS Sports article I think? that one of the AAC commish's possible plans to keep Memphis and company was to add more pieces in an attempt to bolster the conference and open up new markets. Those pieces mentioned were UNLV and AFA.

What if there's even more going on behind the scenes. What if this was a play by UNLV and AFA to stick it to the PAC get some cash, allowing Gloria time to bolster the MWC with the agreement UNLV and AFA could bolt to the AAC without penalty in the future.

I feel dumber for even suggesting it but one can dream right?

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Right. I think I got that part. Maybe. Probably not. It's all convoluted.

What I'm getting at is.

UNLV is going to get 25mil.

Next media rights is in two years.

I think we can agree unless Gloria somehow poaches some unexpected home runs the next media deal is going to take a hit compared to this one.

Current media deal is 5 million per team roughly.

If it drops to 3 million (and that might be generous) that creates a 2 million a year shortfall for UNLV from previous deal. They would have to dip into this 25 million to account for that. Over 5 years thats 10 million dollars gone already.

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Depends on who the conference decides to partner with on a tv contract that is willing to “invest” and collaborate on who to invite. If it is CBS they are going to want to stay in the California and Texas markets, they may even want to stick it to CW and the defectors.

There’s a reason why Memphis, Tulane have not taken the pac up on their offer to this point. They don’t have the money or the offers are low balls. Everyone’s waiting on the ACC to blow up, if it does then all eyes are on the Texas schools because Tulane and Memphis will go to the ACC.

unlv7163 said:

I understand the Boise argument, but it could be argued that joining the MWC has hurt them. I think it has more to do with timing personally (there was always going to be a drop off of the 2007 team), but they haven’t been nearly as dominant in the MWC as they were before and they still aren’t where they want to be.
I go back and forth on this. Really just need to see what the completed conferences . Has to really pisd off the MWC 4 where thecPAC is currently

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Part of their decline (I wish UNLV had ever been good enough to where 8-4 was considered disappointing 🙂) was that the MWC top to bottom was better than the WAC.

I'm just pissy now because I anticipate the worst.

I totally hope I'm wrong. And I will gladly endure you all calling me an idiot if UNLV comes out OK in this...I'm not the type of fan that is OK seeing their team lose just to go on a message board to tell people 'See I told you so!'

So we're the richest guy in the poorest neighborhood. That's what we've become. I don't trust or count money I am owed until it's in my pocket. You wait, I guarantee you the 30 million goes down to 10-12 million. Paid out over years and years. Good luck collecting.
There will be no high end recruits athletes will leave. UNLV athletics is at a tipping point. I am not excited for the future. I know I'm not between 18-49 and my opinion is not as important but this was a gut punch.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Right. I think I got that part. Maybe. Probably not. It's all convoluted.

What I'm getting at is.

UNLV is going to get 25mil.

Next media rights is in two years.

I think we can agree unless Gloria somehow poaches some unexpected home runs the next media deal is going to take a hit compared to this one.

Current media deal is 5 million per team roughly.

If it drops to 3 million (and that might be generous) that creates a 2 million a year shortfall for UNLV from previous deal. They would have to dip into this 25 million to account for that. Over 5 years thats 10 million dollars gone already.

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Hopefully the extra $$ UNLV & AFA receive is for not leaving the MWC, which would have effectively ended it, not for agreeing to stay beyond the current media deal. The PAC really gave UNLV & AFA all the leverage. Presumably they assumed both or at least one school would come running over, but UNLV couldn’t afford the exit fees without PAC help and AFA would go a different direction if it were to move. Notably, UNLV’s new CFO is from the AFA and has deep ties with it. Wouldn’t be surprised if he played a role in keeping the two schools united.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

How long did it take Boise?

And I get your point but because one school managed it doesn't mean they will.

A new conference of FCS call ups will not be well respected by pollsters. Look how hard MWC teams have to work to get ranked now, and the MWC is probably the top G5 conference in the country.

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I understand the Boise argument, but it could be argued that joining the MWC has hurt them. I think it has more to do with timing personally (there was always going to be a drop off of the 2007 team), but they haven’t been nearly as dominant in the MWC as they were before and they still aren’t where they want to be.
I go back and forth on this. Really just need to see what the completed conferences . Has to really pisd off the MWC 4 where thecPAC is currently

A little surprised, but not shocked by any means. I think the 2 biggest factors were 1-a lot $ right now and 2-lack of trust in the PAC leadership. They will end using $60m to have a slightly better conference than the MWC when all is said and done, when a reverse merger would have cost nothing. Not to mention the secret back stabbing meetings.
The PAC would have certainly been the safer choice, but honestly neither choice excites me too much. Don’t know who the MWC adds, will be interesting to see, the key for football will be strong non conference opponents to help overcome a weaker conference schedule.
Only time will tell if this ends up being the correct choice or not. Will want to see how it all plays out before having any strong reaction to the news

rickyb55 said:

Boise started off in the same conference as Montana and see where they are now. No reason Montana or the Dakota schools could do the same if they moved up conferences.

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How long did it take Boise?

And I get your point but because one school managed it doesn't mean they will.

A new conference of FCS call ups will not be well respected by pollsters. Look how hard MWC teams have to work to get ranked now, and the MWC is probably the top G5 conference in the country.

Rosegreen1 said:

The defectors of the MWC signed the agreement that if they leave, they would incur penalties and part of that penalty is the forfeiture of tv revenue and bonuses from postseason play.

The penalties of the pac poaching is a separate deal and I’m not sure how they get out of that one but clearly they tried to dissolve the MWC by poaching programs.

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Right. I think I got that part. Maybe. Probably not. It's all convoluted.

What I'm getting at is.

UNLV is going to get 25mil.

Next media rights is in two years.

I think we can agree unless Gloria somehow poaches some unexpected home runs the next media deal is going to take a hit compared to this one.

Current media deal is 5 million per team roughly.

If it drops to 3 million (and that might be generous) that creates a 2 million a year shortfall for UNLV from previous deal. They would have to dip into this 25 million to account for that. Over 5 years thats 10 million dollars gone already.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Is it a good sign for your conference if you call up an FCS school and an argument could be made they might be the 3rd best football program day one?

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Boise started off in the same conference as Montana and see where they are now. No reason Montana or the Dakota schools could do the same if they moved up conferences.