2026?

dcut03 said:

I get what you are saying, but they are just following the bylaws to their advantage. The MW's next contract will likely have different language, but I think they changed it to it's current state because of what SDSU happened a few years before. I think the MW likes having language to gives a leaving team time to change their mind.

The counter argument to the leaving 4 is that they officially have not announced their new media contract, so they want to keep options open to return. Though reality, they do know their media valuation or least of the current 8 ( including Gonzaga).

One's person's "abuse" of semantics is another's being savvy and taking advantage of the rules.

The MW could counter sue the semantics angle to your point. Not sure if it would be worth it, but the door is open for that.

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You mean like the contract they willingly signed for a scheduling agreement?

There isn't a judge in the country that would side with them on voting rights issue.

They have publicly announced their intentions to join the PAC. Meaning any vote they cast or didn't cast comes into question.

Do you really think the departing PAC schools want it to come out in discovery when they actually began talks with the PAC? What were the nature of the talks. What votes were taken during those talks.

Think about it for a minute.

I can't see any judge siding with them on this topic bylaws or not.

There's no benefit to them announcing early.

You can't publicly announce and be on record of your intentions to leave and also have a say in current or future decisions in the conference. It creates a conflict of interests.

Again judge simply says are you in or are you out. Here's you saying six months ago your intentions to leave in front of boosters.

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Will be making decision on 7/16.

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Has offers from Duke and Pitt

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Kinda. Its semantics though.

They have ADs (JD Wicker SDSU for instance) talking about his excitement about what's in store for the PAC. Their own PR and Social media accounts have blasted out graphic after graphic of the new 'PAC'.

Every AD and president has dome and interviews discussing the decision to rebuild the PAC.

I don't think there's a judge in the country that would say 'Yeah but they haven't officially left so they have voting rughts.' They've publicly announced their intentions.

Its really simple. Its gamesmanship and semantics.

So the PAC signing an agreement holds no value because of 'duress'..

But those bylaws are absolutely ironclad..


Are you joining the PAC or not. Yes or no.

We haven't decided yet.

Well then you don't get to vote because you may be voting in a way detrimental to the conference you are in.

Are you in or are you out.

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I get what you are saying, but they are just following the bylaws to their advantage. The MW's next contract will likely have different language, but I think they changed it to it's current state because of what SDSU happened a few years before. I think the MW likes having language to gives a leaving team time to change their mind.

The counter argument to the leaving 5 is that they officially have not announced their new media contract, so they want to keep options open to return. Though reality, they do know their media valuation or least of the current 8 ( including Gonzaga). But before then, they shouldn't have signed until they new more concrete numbers.

One's person's "abuse" of semantics is another's being savvy and taking advantage of the rules.

The MW could counter sue the semantics angle to your point. Not sure if it would be worth it, but the door is open for that.

WarthogRebel said:

This is slightly more than Pat MaHomes makes for endorsements. ( MaHomes $ 25 million )

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This makes sense? Lol
Mahomes is proven and Flagg has yet to do anything that says championship…

dcut03 said:

They are taking advantage of the bylaws. No reason to give up voting rights before they have to.

Also, exit fees are often negotiated to be paid over time. The whole amount may not come before the end of June. None of the leaving schools likely have the capitial to pay it all now, unless the PAC is helping to pay for all of them.

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Kinda. Its semantics though.

They have ADs (JD Wicker SDSU for instance) talking about his excitement about what's in store for the PAC. Their own PR and Social media accounts have blasted out graphic after graphic of the new 'PAC'.

Every AD and president has dome and interviews discussing the decision to rebuild the PAC.

I don't think there's a judge in the country that would say 'Yeah but they haven't officially left so they have voting rughts.' They've publicly announced their intentions.

Its really simple. Its gamesmanship and semantics.

So the PAC signing an agreement holds no value because of 'duress'..

But those bylaws are absolutely ironclad..


Are you joining the PAC or not. Yes or no.

We haven't decided yet.

Well then you don't get to vote because you may be voting in a way detrimental to the conference you are in.

Are you in or are you out.

This is slightly more than Pat MaHomes makes for endorsements. ( MaHomes $ 25 million )

They are taking advantage of the bylaws. No reason to give up voting rights before they have to.

Also, exit fees are often negotiated to be paid over time. The whole amount may not come before the end of June. None of the leaving schools likely have the capitial to pay it all now, unless the PAC is helping to pay for all of them.

Masked_rebel said:

Its more spelled out than that...
June 1st requires the check and notice or exit fees get doubled...if they plan on leaving for 2026 season
June 30th- exit is official and fees are due. Media rights payments are halted...

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Correct.

So the PAC waiting till the 11th hour isn't surprising. Could it be a sign that there is concern over there? Sure. But there's no real benefit to them to have already 'officially' left the conference either.

Semantics more than anything with a pinch of cover your own ass in case PAC rebuild went completely sideways.

They know their media numbers and I think they have an 8th member lined up in principle at this point.

Rebel1986 said:

If you are only winning 18-21 games per season, does it really matter?

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Actually it matters more since that is bubble territory (depending on thr schedule)

Bullmastiff 1 said:

They have to give 'timely' notice as I understand it.

I think they'll put in official notice this weekend.

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Its more spelled out than that...
June 1st requires the check and notice or exit fees get doubled...if they plan on leaving for 2026 season
June 30th- exit is official and fees are due. Media rights payments are halted...

Boston Rebel 2 said:

Absolutely insane

Here's how Cooper Flagg cleared a staggering $28 million in NIL contracts during his one season at Duke

Howard Bryant says the former Duke star brought in a record-setting NIL haul with the Blue Devils

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I've gotta ask.

Was he handed 28 million dollars.

The thing is, would his NIL package have been any different if he was at a different school besides Duke? Or did Duke secure the offers? IMO, the way the NIL should work is that the players that are most deserving of the money should get offers directly from companies or groups like Flagg did, but he's certainly at the very top tier of players.

dcut03 said:

I think they owe the exit fee + 5000 dollars on June 1st? Right? Or at least a portion of the full exit fee amount.

If the amount they owe isn't settled yet, then they can't fully fulfill the requirements. It is very possible that these mediations provide a legal hold/extension on the official exit process.

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They have to give 'timely' notice as I understand it.

I think they'll put in official notice this weekend.

dcut03 said:

It would have have to move out of Las Vegas completely.

These away from T&M games really add up for UNLV, it pretty much drops a NET level for every game we play, unless we play a top 25 NET team. For a team that will likely be perpetually on the bubble, these games can make the difference for an at large.

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If you are only winning 18-21 games per season, does it really matter?

Masked_rebel said:

Which part isnt settled.. They still are required to meet the bylaws for resigning from the conference in order to do so without the doubling of the exit fee. Even the original fee gets reduced, they still get penalized for not resigning within the timeframe required by the bylaws.. And they all had ample time to do so

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I think they owe the exit fee + 5000 dollars on June 1st? Right? Or at least a portion of the full exit fee amount.

If the amount they owe isn't settled yet, then they can't fully fulfill the requirements. It is very possible that these mediations provide a legal hold/extension on the official exit process.

Masked_rebel said:

Then why have they waited so long? Is it a voting rights thing- once you submitted resignation you lose your voting rights.
I dont think it's second thoughts, I think they're beyond coming back, and waiting for mediation to solve their fees also doesn't seem like a reason...

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Semantics mostly also a poison pill.

1- MWC bylaws state teams must sign an official release and pay 5k dollars to start the process. (Something to that affect).

By not doing this yet, they can argue that they haven't 'officially' left the conference and still have voting rights. Its a ploy, semantics etc.

2-There is/was inherent risk in the PAC rebuild. Smart to not officially leave until the 11th hour in case the rebuild went completely South.

MWC will likely get enough in mediation for Gloria to honor commitments to UNLV and AFA. Although the total payout won't be as much as first estimated.

PAC will be hamstrung a bit on additions. Memphis/Tulane are off the table. Texas State likely 8th member. I think Rice may also be a target. They have a ton of money.

MWC adds NDSU and UC Davis makes FBS jump in 2028ish.

We'll know in 3-5 years if remaining in the MWC was the right call or not.

bcvegaspt2 said:

Any that transferred to a school in the Big 10?

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I believe it was a 765 area code that called CDM.

LVRebel2000 said:

That would be very surprising if true. I hope it is, but thought that I had seen otherwise about their commitment to the new PAC conference, but I don't recall the details.

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Then why have they waited so long? Is it a voting rights thing- once you submitted resignation you lose your voting rights.
I dont think it's second thoughts, I think they're beyond coming back, and waiting for mediation to solve their fees also doesn't seem like a reason...

RebelinWA said:

Apparently they haven’t.

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That would be very surprising if true. I hope it is, but thought that I had seen otherwise about their commitment to the new PAC conference, but I don't recall the details.

dcut03 said:

He would have been 56th on the higest paid annual salary in the NBA. Unreal.

This needs to change, what would it be like if there was no contracts in all professional sports? Where every player would be up to the highest bidder every year? Absolute choas.

At least Cooper Flagg actually had a true NIL, being in some national TV commercials. That is how it should be.

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I agree at least it is more actual NIL. Yeah it is crazy no contracts to the highest bidder every year or two. And if there are contracts they can break them without absolutely no repercussions. Who the hell operates like that other than the NCAA?

LVRebel2000 said:

I'm pretty sure that all of the schools leaving the MW have already signed 'binding' agreements with the PAC, so I highly doubt that they will pull out at this point. My guess is that the 5 departing schools have the checks and paperwork ready to go and will make sure the MWC receives them on time.

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Apparently they haven’t.

RebelScrub said:

It doesn’t need to change. Keep college basketball like it is..

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I agree. F it all. $28 million paid by Duke, the NCAAs longtime poster child for everything good and just in college athletics.🤣

dcut03 said:

Since the exit fees have not settled, they may hold that part of the deal. Otherwise the MW may have to pay some money right back to those leaving schools.

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Masked_rebel said:

Which part isnt settled.. They still are required to meet the bylaws for resigning from the conference in order to do so without the doubling of the exit fee. Even the original fee gets reduced, they still get penalized for not resigning within the timeframe required by the bylaws.. And they all had ample time to do so

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I'm pretty sure that all of the schools leaving the MW have already signed 'binding' agreements with the PAC, so I highly doubt that they will pull out at this point. My guess is that the 5 departing schools have the checks and paperwork ready to go and will make sure the MWC receives them on time.