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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Rebel1986
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Thanks for being more concise. And painting a clearer picture than I can.
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The schools that are already losing their votes include SDSU, BSU, Fresno State and Colorado State. That leaves only 7 full member schools: Air Force, New Mexico, San Jose State, UNLV, unr, Utah State and Wyoming. It takes 75 percent of the schools to vote to dissolve the conference which works out to be 5.25 schools which is rounded up to 6 schools. In order to dissolve the conference, they would need to get all but one school to agree to leave, and I do not believe that will happen. The MWC will absolutely survive, but it will most likely require them to cannibalize teams from the Sunbelt, Conference USA, AAC or lower level teams from the FCS conferences.
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TOP 25?

Rebel1986
LocoRebel said:
They won't be ranked next week.

They will fall out by being off
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Very possible, but there are numerous teams ranked above and just below UNLV that play. 18th ranked Michigan plays at home against 11th ranked USC; 19th ranked Louisville play at home against Georgia Tech; 22nd ranked Nebraska plays at home verse 24th ranked Illinois (at least one of those two will drop below UNLV); 23rd ranked NIU plays Buffalo which is one of those games that could lose votes even with a win; Memphis plays Navy; Washington State plays San Jose State; Syracuse plays Stanford; etc...

The hope is that at least 2-3 of the teams above and below lose games which would keep UNLV safe.
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Agreement

WarthogRebel
Where are the MWC contracts published that cover the exact wording of the concepts we are discussing ( i.e. The number of programs that need to vote to disband, the exact date for a two year notice, requirements that need to be met to participate in payouts etc.)

When we discuss this it would be nice to know the exact language.
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UNLV football is great - but some people are delusional!

Rebel1986
I have noticed that on Stubhub there are tickets listed for over $300 for a single seat with highest current price at $1,161 per ticket. Viagogo has a highest price of $1,256 per ticket; Vivid has a maximum price of $387 per ticket; Ticketmaster has a maximum price of $456 per ticket; Ticket Center has a maximum price of $229 per ticket; Gametime has a maximum price of $245 per ticket; Mega Seat has a maximum price of $359 per seat; At least Seat Geek has the highest price at $178 per ticket.

The bottom line is that in many cases you can buy season tickets for below what people are trying to get for a single seas. Priority sideline club 1 tickets are $417 for the remaining 5 games. I hope fans are going directly to UNLV first before overpaying for secondary market tickets when there are an unlimited number of seats that can open up if they sell out the first level.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

1Tripoda
Bullmastiff 1 said:
SDSU has top basketball program in conference. They were arguably right there with Boise during Rocky Long's tenure.

They have the ability to rebound in football. And that is a massive TV market.
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They could rebound. UNLV could rebound after we have Randal Cunningham. Hoyoutw long did it took us. Look at Sean Lewis team now, how long do think they will need? The past SDSU would have jumped on that Cal team yesterday. Not this team.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

dcut03
Masked_rebel said:
Yes, but I also think that unlike the Pac 2, there isn't quite the same coffers pre-existing and didn't they sue to prevent the departing teams from voting to dissolve to avoid paying those fees to them? What I see happening is similar, except the last 2 in plus the other 2 or 3 looking to jump elsewhere keep control of the MWC and vote to dissolve before they announce intent to leave... now there may need to be some heavy under the table assurances from Pac 6 to the last 2 about their inclusion, maybe some financial assistance paid to support dissolution and lost funds. It's complicated but I can see a way in which anyone left out is left out without any real recourse... and part of the Pac 2s legal argument was the other schools withheld the withdrawal during media rights negotiations and it impacted their ability to secure a good enough deal to hold everyone together
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There are 7 teams with votes. And Hawaii is still technically there.
I don't think anyone other than UNLV and AFA have a shot at really upgrading. UNM could go to the CUSA but why do that. It would make more sense for the MW to try to rebuild with CUSA teams or trying to merge. They or the CUSA wouldn't be able to afford the buyouts if they decided to leave without dissolving. If we dissolve why make a lateral move and say no thanks to millions of buyout dollars?
Right now they have 40+ million plus some nice NCAAT money. No reason to just give that up.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Bullmastiff 1
1Tripoda said:
Sean Lewis ceiling is unknown. The fuc(king SDSU future is unknown. CSU is regressing. This program is going backward. Boise is still unknown but by their method of hire and their A$$ attitude with the loyalty. The fact that they are a non ranked team with Jeanty and their large amount of players returning is telling.
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SDSU has top basketball program in conference. They were arguably right there with Boise during Rocky Long's tenure.

They have the ability to rebound in football. And that is a massive TV market.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

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dcut03 said:
We just saw this happen with the Pac.
They got down to 2 but held tight and took in all of that money, including NCAAT payouts.
The stark reality of every leftover teams other than maybe UNLV and AFA, is looking at a huge hit for their media contract and a much sh!ttier conference then they have currently.
The should do what the PAC did. Even if it gets down to 2. They have the MW name and a chunk of money to work with. They can try to poach a couple of CUSA teams (starting with NMSU)maybe the best FCS teams and subsidize their losses for a while with the cash coming in with.
They have 2 years to figure it out.
I just don't think that the MW votes to dissolve and to give up all of that money. Always follow the money. The majority of the teams will not get upgraded so I don't see a majority vote
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Yes, but I also think that unlike the Pac 2, there isn't quite the same coffers pre-existing and didn't they sue to prevent the departing teams from voting to dissolve to avoid paying those fees to them? What I see happening is similar, except the last 2 in plus the other 2 or 3 looking to jump elsewhere keep control of the MWC and vote to dissolve before they announce intent to leave... now there may need to be some heavy under the table assurances from Pac 6 to the last 2 about their inclusion, maybe some financial assistance paid to support dissolution and lost funds. It's complicated but I can see a way in which anyone left out is left out without any real recourse... and part of the Pac 2s legal argument was the other schools withheld the withdrawal during media rights negotiations and it impacted their ability to secure a good enough deal to hold everyone together
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

1Tripoda
Bullmastiff 1 said:
Part of why they needed Sdsu, Fresno and CSU markets.
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Sean Lewis ceiling is unknown. The fuc(king SDSU future is unknown. CSU is regressing. This program is going backward. Boise is still unknown but by their method of hire and their A$$ attitude with the loyalty. The fact that they are a non ranked team with Jeanty and their large amount of players returning is telling.
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OT: Hypocrisy in politics

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j. spilotro said:
I don’t know your political affiliation. But do you find it odd that the shelf life of attempted assassinations on a presidential candidate is shorter than a a search for a four man submarine?

I was young, but when there was an attempt on Reagan, the nation mourned, nobody on either side of the aisle was actually happy or disregarded it as “no big deal” ….

It’s really fkd.
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It is ****ed. I hate it. I just want Trump to go away (retire and happily play golf and screw mistresses like Loomer in private) in hopes that it cools things down.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Bullmastiff 1
dcut03 said:
We just saw this happen with the Pac.
They got down to 2 but held tight and took in all of that money, including NCAAT payouts.
The stark reality of every leftover teams other than maybe UNLV and AFA, is looking at a huge hit for their media contract and a much sh!ttier conference then they have currently.
The should do what the PAC did. Even if it gets down to 2. They have the MW name and a chunk of money to work with. They can try to poach a couple of CUSA teams (starting with NMSU)maybe the best FCS teams and subsidize their losses for a while with the cash coming in with.
They have 2 years to figure it out.
I just don't think that the MW votes to dissolve and to give up all of that money. Always follow the money. The majority of the teams will not get upgraded so I don't see a majority vote
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Although how long does the FCS to FBS process take? What are the costs. There are also other provisions correct? Like stadium size or attendance numbers? (Not saying they might not meet them but is a possible hurdle)

Are there costs involved. Could it get done in two years?

Do any of them want to make the jump? There is risk in that as well.
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OT: Hypocrisy in politics

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ckfitz said:
To have 15,000 to 20,000 Haitians in a small city of 60,000 places too great of a strain on their local economy. I feel badly for the Haitians because they come from one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere that is very unstable. Yes, and they came through one of our asylum programs that is legal. Problem I have is when we are trillions in debt and then a President opens up the border to millions of illegal immigrants, we can not take care of them. It's sad that apparently the only reason Biden did that was to help increase potential democrat voters and to help with the census, since they count residents and not citizens. Of course, the House of Representatives representation is predicated on the census count.
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You would think that would be common sense although I really doubt they were let in “only” to increase a voting base, but I can’t find anything on policies, etc justifying letting so many in.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Bullmastiff 1
dcut03 said:
We just saw this happen with the Pac.
They got down to 2 but held tight and took in all of that money, including NCAAT payouts.
The stark reality of every leftover teams other than maybe UNLV and AFA, is looking at a huge hit for their media contract and a much sh!ttier conference then they have currently.
The should do what the PAC did. Even if it gets down to 2. They have the MW name and a chunk of money to work with. They can try to poach a couple of CUSA teams (starting with NMSU)maybe the best FCS teams and subsidize their losses for a while with the cash coming in with.
They have 2 years to figure it out.
I just don't think that the MW votes to dissolve and to give up all of that money. Always follow the money. The majority of the teams will not get upgraded so I don't see a majority vote
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This is probably true. But the result remains the same. They end up in worse conference. Worse TV deal. All be it with a load of cash in hand.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

dcut03
Masked_rebel said:
That's part of my point on intent. If they can get the 4+2, plus say another 2 or 3 looking at AAC or CUSA they can vote to dissolve conference. The non-pac group would also need conference to dissolve to avoid ppaying a buyout. The remaining few left outs may pursue legal options, so there may be some $ needing to change hands, but probably well below the 111 million
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We just saw this happen with the Pac.
They got down to 2 but held tight and took in all of that money, including NCAAT payouts.
The stark reality of every leftover teams other than maybe UNLV and AFA, is looking at a huge hit for their media contract and a much sh!ttier conference then they have currently.
The should do what the PAC did. Even if it gets down to 2. They have the MW name and a chunk of money to work with. They can try to poach a couple of CUSA teams (starting with NMSU)maybe the best FCS teams and subsidize their losses for a while with the cash coming in with.
They have 2 years to figure it out.
I just don't think that the MW votes to dissolve and to give up all of that money. Always follow the money. The majority of the teams will not get upgraded so I don't see a majority vote
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

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1Tripoda said:
One thing. Oregon State do not have Portland market. Portland is a lib city while Corvallis is a conservative school. Not even close. What city in Oregon does OSU have besides Corvallis?
Washington State. Who are you bringing to the table besides Eastern Washington area?
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Lots of WSU grads live in Seattle area... but still I get your point. That's part of why the Big 10 and Big 12 said no thanks. And don't let them kid us, those 2 conferences said no
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