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Rebel Band

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LocoRebel said:
Happy to see this post.

My season tickets are next to an older couple who have no association with UNLV, just wanted a good way to see Allegiant in 2021. They decided to renew every year and are still attending. Saw em at the Utah Tech game.

2 or 3 games into last see. The male half noted that to me. The band looked and sounded bigger in the games played in 2023, compared to 21 and 22. I hadn't noticed it then, but I did after it was pointed out.

This year, seems even larger and louder. Still sounds good to me, but I dont have the ear to determine if it'd actually "good". Love to see em in school colors instead of SDSU colors!
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My son noticed at the Utah Tech game that the band was about 20-30% bigger than last season.
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Snooty Predators

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When you get down to it there are perhaps 10-15 (University Presidents/AD's and a few others) people who are willing to destroy the Athletic programs of six-to-eight schools so WSO and OSU don't have to set foot on the lowly Wyoming, USU or SJSU campuses. They could have split their $ 250 million and merged into the top G5 conference and had a near lock annual on a bid to the playoffs. But No.................!!! They are just too good to get some manure on their polished loafers at Wyoming. Too good to play in a less than perfect stadium in Albuquerque. The "snooty two" and the "traitor four" are just disgusting. And to think it would end up in our best interest to join these revolting slugs is really distressing.
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TV viewership

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LocoRebel said:
Listening to Jason Kelly's Let's Run podcast with a BSU fan media guy, Bronco Bleymeier. BB had a take that irked me immensely, effectively saying UNLV was embarrassing for only getting 25k into their stadium off their best year in history. Then praising CSU for getting "67% of capacity over the last several years" ... well... 67% of 37k is about 25k.

Also point was made about UNLV being irrelevant in it's market (which to some expect is absolutely fact and no amount of 8-5 will change it entirely). But he praised SDSU for being a great market and passionate fanbase.

I was stunned. Their basketball tradition for 20 years is phenomenal obviously.

It was like he Failed to acknowledge SDSU.

25k home game vs Oregon State. Slightly less than the exact number foe their fcs opener with a brand new coach in a new stadium. 2022 turnstile average under 22k. 2023 turnstile average barely over 17k. The year they played in Carson, they got under 12k per game and only broke 12k once - the MWC title game vs USU (13k). Admittedly. This is obviously abnormal because it was after the covid season. But UNLV got 16k for their game vs SDSU that same year.

Sorry for the unexpected rant...
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My opinion:

They know UNLV has ALWAYS been a sleeping giant and they don't want to acknowledge that their current takes about UNLV and its fans were based in facts in the past. However, things are finally changing. They are going to hold onto their takes for the unforeseeable future. Nothing is going to change their opinions. They are happy to get rid of UNLV because of what UNLV could be, and what we're finally starting to build.

I hate Boise State so much. It's going to be tough, but I'd love to send them out of Vegas with an L.
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Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC

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dcut03 said:
The legacy AAC schools get 7 mil, but the newer additions "get less". I can't find a report that says how much.
We would probably be in the latter category, at least initially. especially if they pay our exit fees.
If Memphis leave for the PAC, you know that they are at least getting more than 7 mil ( the PAC)
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With the CFP aac teams will get 8.8 to 9 million per school.
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reagan21 said:
I lived in San Diego for a couple years. SDSU football was not in the dumps (like it is right now) back then and I still NEVER heard a peep about it. At that time there was more news about Jim Harbaugh's success at lowly USD.

Maybe with the Chargers departure there is more talk, but I doubt it.
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Listening to Jason Kelly's Let's Run podcast with a BSU fan media guy, Bronco Bleymeier. BB had a take that irked me immensely, effectively saying UNLV was embarrassing for only getting 25k into their stadium off their best year in history. Then praising CSU for getting "67% of capacity over the last several years" ... well... 67% of 37k is about 25k.

Also point was made about UNLV being irrelevant in it's market (which to some expect is absolutely fact and no amount of 8-5 will change it entirely). But he praised SDSU for being a great market and passionate fanbase.

I was stunned. Their basketball tradition for 20 years is phenomenal obviously.

It was like he Failed to acknowledge SDSU.

25k home game vs Oregon State. Slightly less than the exact number foe their fcs opener with a brand new coach in a new stadium. 2022 turnstile average under 22k. 2023 turnstile average barely over 17k. The year they played in Carson, they got under 12k per game and only broke 12k once - the MWC title game vs USU (13k). Admittedly. This is obviously abnormal because it was after the covid season. But UNLV got 16k for their game vs SDSU that same year.

Sorry for the unexpected rant...
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Rebel Band

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Happy to see this post.

My season tickets are next to an older couple who have no association with UNLV, just wanted a good way to see Allegiant in 2021. They decided to renew every year and are still attending. Saw em at the Utah Tech game.

2 or 3 games into last season, the male half noted that to me that the band looked and sounded bigger in the games played in 2023, compared to 21 and 22. I hadn't noticed it then, but I did after it was pointed out.

This year, seems even larger and louder. Still sounds good to me, but I dont have the ear to determine if it's actually "good". Love to see em in school colors instead of SDSU colors!
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

LVRebel2000
Loyal Coug1 said:
I would not answer the phone either. BSU, CSU and Fresno have their schedules filled for 2025, as probably the rest of the MW does too. WSU is in a world of hurt, particularly in filling those late season games. But no one on my board other than me will even discuss it.

I would be real surprised if any of your 4 traitors get a better deal than the others. That would be stupid. Oh wait, we are talking about Pac-2 leadership. I would also expect that the next two would get the same deal. I reallyyyy want to know just what that deal is. Specifically, how much of the exit fees is the Pac going to cover? It will come out eventually, but WSU and OSU supporters have a right, if not a need, to know.
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I'm sure they don't want to disclose the deal that those 4 got, as it may impact any other deals that they're able to make with the others. The issue now is that it's the 6 schools together that decide, right? And not just OSU/WSU? So if the PAC agreed to pay 1/2 the fees for those 4, it's not likely the incoming 4 would agree to pay more than that for Memphis, or any other school, IMO.

I also wonder what the PAC agreement looks like in terms of exit fees, etc. Are they somehow going to be tied to the yet to be determined media contract? Lots of unknowns at this point.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Loyal Coug1
reagan21 said:
This is correct.

If I'm a remaining MWC school I block all calls from the OSU and Wazzu AD's offices. They need to fill games and we should not help them in any way.
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Masked_rebel said:
If I was the conference Id argue that its not over a year and try to get more money. By the end of the season there will be only 1 full year remaining... I know semantics of "league year" begin dates, but I agree that its really only 1 year they've provided notice for.
As for jumping to the Pac now.. Id really need to know what assurances they gave the other 4 teams plus their own self interests before jumping into a conference with them. Like did Boise and SDSU receive some promises around higher compensation than a Fresno or CSU or the next 2 teams... Boise has that agreement with the MWC and it has artificially kept them ahead of the game where they might've seen a drop off had the terms all been equal. Do the original 2 get more $$ and access to the funds they got to build their coffers as part of the agreement to pay buyouts? See the slippery slope.. $$$ creates a huge advantage. Meanwhile we could potentially get our own competitive advantage agreement as the jewel of another conference and also elevate our profile through performance in a conference we could dominate..
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I would not answer the phone either. BSU, CSU and Fresno have their schedules filled for 2025, as probably the rest of the MW does too. WSU is in a world of hurt, particularly in filling those late season games. But no one on my board other than me will even discuss it.

I would be real surprised if any of your 4 traitors get a better deal than the others. That would be stupid. Oh wait, we are talking about Pac-2 leadership. I would also expect that the next two would get the same deal. I reallyyyy want to know just what that deal is. Specifically, how much of the exit fees is the Pac going to cover? It will come out eventually, but WSU and OSU supporters have a right, if not a need, to know.
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reagan21
Masked_rebel said:
If I was the conference Id argue that its not over a year and try to get more money. By the end of the season there will be only 1 full year remaining... I know semantics of "league year" begin dates, but I agree that its really only 1 year they've provided notice for.
As for jumping to the Pac now.. Id really need to know what assurances they gave the other 4 teams plus their own self interests before jumping into a conference with them. Like did Boise and SDSU receive some promises around higher compensation than a Fresno or CSU or the next 2 teams... Boise has that agreement with the MWC and it has artificially kept them ahead of the game where they might've seen a drop off had the terms all been equal. Do the original 2 get more $$ and access to the funds they got to build their coffers as part of the agreement to pay buyouts? See the slippery slope.. $$$ creates a huge advantage. Meanwhile we could potentially get our own competitive advantage agreement as the jewel of another conference and also elevate our profile through performance in a conference we could dominate..
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You lose that battle in court every time because the contract is king and what "year" is is defined in the contract. Semantics doesn't exist when you have the four corners of a contract.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

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Loyal Coug1 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the "2-year" notice is actually anything over 1 year. Think I read that on this board, or maybe on the WCS board.

Relative to WSU's 2025 schedule, it is a MAJOR problem IMHO. We have 6 games scheduled, with 3 at home. Most schools have their 2025 schedules filled. We are in a real pickle. Another reason for the Pac-2 to poach UNLV and one other MW school, stand pat at 8 for now, and focus on the 2025 schedule.
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If I was the conference Id argue that its not over a year and try to get more money. By the end of the season there will be only 1 full year remaining... I know semantics of "league year" begin dates, but I agree that its really only 1 year they've provided notice for.
As for jumping to the Pac now.. Id really need to know what assurances they gave the other 4 teams plus their own self interests before jumping into a conference with them. Like did Boise and SDSU receive some promises around higher compensation than a Fresno or CSU or the next 2 teams... Boise has that agreement with the MWC and it has artificially kept them ahead of the game where they might've seen a drop off had the terms all been equal. Do the original 2 get more $$ and access to the funds they got to build their coffers as part of the agreement to pay buyouts? See the slippery slope.. $$$ creates a huge advantage. Meanwhile we could potentially get our own competitive advantage agreement as the jewel of another conference and also elevate our profile through performance in a conference we could dominate..
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TV viewership

reagan21
unlvlurker said:
I think UNLV brings more to the table then sdsu, csu and Frenso. Just cause they have a 10 million market don't mean that 10m TVs will be on. Sdsu football brings nothing.
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I lived in San Diego for a couple years. SDSU football was not in the dumps (like it is right now) back then and I still NEVER heard a peep about it. At that time there was more news about Jim Harbaugh's success at lowly USD.

Maybe with the Chargers departure there is more talk, but I doubt it.
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College Gameday Podcast w/Coach Barry Odom

reagan21
RebelSaint702 said:
Didnt love the shot at Tark (the guy meant it as a joke I am sure) at the end, but it is what it is.

Odom is such a pro, we need to keep that man in Vegas
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eh. I thought it was funny, and then Odom put him in his place that Tark was small peanuts when compared to what has gone on for decades. It's just those schools didn't expose the NCAA for their hypocrisy in an editorial in a national newspaper.
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Rebel Band

reagan21
Growing up in the early 80s my dad always bought tickets to the games in the south endzone next to the band so my virgin eyes and ears didn't have to see and hear the drunk UNLV fans fight. We could just enjoy the game in peace....not quiet because we were next to the band.

It wasn't until I started buying my own season tickets where I actually sat amongst general population.

The band does sound louder. Mostly because they stopped playing towards the visiting sideline. They finally got smart enough to turn around.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

reagan21
Loyal Coug1 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the "2-year" notice is actually anything over 1 year. Think I read that on this board, or maybe on the WCS board.

Relative to WSU's 2025 schedule, it is a MAJOR problem IMHO. We have 6 games scheduled, with 3 at home. Most schools have their 2025 schedules filled. We are in a real pickle. Another reason for the Pac-2 to poach UNLV and one other MW school, stand pat at 8 for now, and focus on the 2025 schedule.
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This is correct.

If I'm a remaining MWC school I block all calls from the OSU and Wazzu AD's offices. They need to fill games and we should not help them in any way.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

Loyal Coug1
oneepstein said:
Couple things I haven’t seen mentioned or discussed…

Does the “two year notice” come into play at all? When the defections were announced we were already two games into the season and yet the new conference needs to be intact by July 1, 2026. If I’m the MW I’m probably firing shots that the early exit fee is actually double based on that… hell, it is t even a full two years by the start of the 2026 football season.

Secondly, what are the PAC 2 gonna do for schedules during next season? Might be a small problem but it’s basically going to make next season obsolete for both of them. They might be able to schedule with the defectors early in the season but after that it’s gonna be difficult to schedule games against anyone in the MW or AAC.

Just random thoughts.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the "2-year" notice is actually anything over 1 year. Think I read that on this board, or maybe on the WCS board.

Relative to WSU's 2025 schedule, it is a MAJOR problem IMHO. We have 6 games scheduled, with 3 at home. Most schools have their 2025 schedules filled. We are in a real pickle. Another reason for the Pac-2 to poach UNLV and one other MW school, stand pat at 8 for now, and focus on the 2025 schedule.
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IF REMAINING MWC TEAMS WERE SMART

oneepstein
Couple things I haven’t seen mentioned or discussed…

Does the “two year notice” come into play at all? When the defections were announced we were already two games into the season and yet the new conference needs to be intact by July 1, 2026. If I’m the MW I’m probably firing shots that the early exit fee is actually double based on that… hell, it is t even a full two years by the start of the 2026 football season.

Secondly, what are the PAC 2 gonna do for schedules during next season? Might be a small problem but it’s basically going to make next season obsolete for both of them. They might be able to schedule with the defectors early in the season but after that it’s gonna be difficult to schedule games against anyone in the MW or AAC.

Just random thoughts.
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