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There needs to be proof of contracted work for compensation. This is being paid for "NIL", while there is no actual use of the NIL.
If they can get TV ads, print ads, appearances, or whatever. But just getting paid handouts right now has nothing to do with NIL and is basically a work around for schools paying players which has been at least illegal.
If a player is getting a national TV spot, sure pay him millions of dollars. But there needs to be some proof of "work" for that pay.
Otherwise they should have a cap and let the school give out stipend for play. But those should have contracts as well.

If college sports is basically professional sports, it needs to work like professional sports. This current situation ain't it.
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InZoneU said:
NIL is so fkcn dumb. Just allow NBA or NFL teams to sign kids like 16 or older and let them pay for their development in college, overseas, etc.
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We start paying players was dumb. Team shouldn’t be able to profit off of their names without having to pay them a significant chunk, but you can put that in an escrow and pay it when they graduate. The argument was a scholarship wasn’t enough yet 95% of the country would be ecstatic if their kids qualified for an athletic scholarship and never got anything more than that.
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RebelSoldat said:
College sports needs a transfer fee model, similar to soccer. At least smaller schools would benefit like smaller clubs do in soccer
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Give the players 2 extra years at NON-P4 schools. Let them play for multiple degrees. Split the leagues up. This is a complete joke now. Look no further than the Elite 8. All P4 schools. The days of the Cinderella teams are going to be much further apart if any in the years to come.
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WarthogRebel said:
Dueling research.

The following is taken from a Perplexity AI search. It used ON3, USA today and Yahoo Sports as it's primary sources.

"The University of Florida ranks among the top programs in the SEC for NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) efforts, particularly in basketball. According to On3's Joe Tipton, Florida's basketball NIL budget is expected to be one of the highest in the SEC, trailing only Arkansas and Kentucky13. This strong financial commitment enhances Florida's ability to attract elite transfers and maintain competitiveness in college basketball1."

But it's easy to go back and forth with NIL Stats because very few know the exact amount that's being spent at each program. It's guessing and innuendo.

My point is for those of us who believed we could compete on a National level this belief should just about be abandoned. The fact our new coach took several hundred thousand dollars less than his market value in order to release booster money for players says volumes. The wealthy in this community will not support NIL to the point we can get the players we'll need to compete in the big time. We are rapidly moving to a point that we will be like Bozeman, Montana with Montana State. Their fans fully understand they don't have the resources to compete with the nationally relevant programs. They are happy to compete for the occasional Big Sky Tournament win and the resulting 14th seed. With the new MW light we won't be quite there, but we'll be so close it won't really make a difference.
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Everyone outside of the P4 with very few exceptions will be Montana ST. TV revenue going towards players is a complete game changer. 20 million plus in 2025 and 30 million plus a year soon after going directly towards the players. Then the NIL money on top of that?? Most of these players are going to be millionaires by the time they finish college. 4 years of $$. Some will be multi millionaires and never have a chance to play at the pro level. Just a solid college player.
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Dueling research.

The following is taken from a Perplexity AI search. It used ON3, USA today and Yahoo Sports as it's primary sources.

"The University of Florida ranks among the top programs in the SEC for NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) efforts, particularly in basketball. According to On3's Joe Tipton, Florida's basketball NIL budget is expected to be one of the highest in the SEC, trailing only Arkansas and Kentucky13. This strong financial commitment enhances Florida's ability to attract elite transfers and maintain competitiveness in college basketball1."

But it's easy to go back and forth with NIL Stats because very few know the exact amount that's being spent at each program. It's guessing and innuendo.

My point is for those of us who believed we could compete on a National level this belief should just about be abandoned. The fact our new coach took several hundred thousand dollars less than his market value in order to release booster money for players says volumes. The wealthy in this community will not support NIL to the point we can get the players we'll need to compete in the big time. We are rapidly moving to a point that we will be like Bozeman, Montana with Montana State. Their fans fully understand they don't have the resources to compete with the nationally relevant programs. They are happy to compete for the occasional Big Sky Tournament win and the resulting 14th seed. With the new MW light we won't be quite there, but we'll be so close it won't really make a difference.
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I see they used 22-23 estimates now which is strange but UF has not had ton of success and the other schools aren’t going down so who knows but they have not been spending at the same levels as other top programs.

Again nothing is official and there are lots of reasons to inflate everything on all sides. Do Utah St and CSU really have 4-5M budgets annually? That seems high based on the players and other things you hear.

My point is still you have to grow your budget to be sustainable like UF has or you need long term commitments from donors that will keep spending even without success (like Texas and OU).
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WarthogRebel said:
".....Without being in the top half of NIL money this year in the SEC..."

Where is this published? My research shows they around 6th out of 16.
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I saw 9th/10either way they finished well above their NiL budget.

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Kentucky, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, A&M, Ole Miss, OU, Miss St are all higher and this just for teams that made the tournament.

This article mentions how they are growing to be top 3 after the success this year.

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Report: Florida basketball to have one of the ‘top basketball NIL budgets in the SEC’

According to On3 national basketball reporter Joe Tipton, Florida basketball will be among the top of the SEC in terms of NIL budgets this offseason.
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All these numbers are estimates and might be off since nothing is actually reported but I think it is fair to say UF was mid pack for basketball NIL this year in the SEC.
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Rebel77fl2 said:
NIL budget is important, but means nothing without coaching. We can be successful in the MWC at $1-2M budget. Win conference a few years, make the tournament a few times and win a game or two and the NIL money will grow as needed to compete at higher levels.

Harper is right though in the sense throwing money at players does not guarantee success and is not sustainable without the foundation. You might get donors to pony up $5 or even $10M one year but if you flop that well is going to dry up fast. Starting slow, proving success is the way to build the NIL with less risk.

Florida built its team with transfers from Iona, Belmont, FAU and Washington State. Without being in the top half of NIL money this year in the SEC, now they have more donors providing and are expected to be third behind Arkansas and Kentucky next year. Coaching, moneyball evaluation (underpriced players to performance) is how teams need to build unless they can get a 10 year 100M commitment from donors and that doesn’t happen outside of Calipari at Arkansas.
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".....Without being in the top half of NIL money this year in the SEC..."

Where is this published? My research shows they around 6th out of 16.
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NIL budget is important, but means nothing without coaching. We can be successful in the MWC at $1-2M budget. Win conference a few years, make the tournament a few times and win a game or two and the NIL money will grow as needed to compete at higher levels.

Harper is right though in the sense throwing money at players does not guarantee success and is not sustainable without the foundation. You might get donors to pony up $5 or even $10M one year but if you flop that well is going to dry up fast. Starting slow, proving success is the way to build the NIL with less risk.

Florida built its team with transfers from Iona, Belmont, FAU and Washington State. Without being in the top half of NIL money this year in the SEC, now they have more donors providing and are expected to be third behind Arkansas and Kentucky next year. Coaching, moneyball evaluation (underpriced players to performance) is how teams need to build unless they can get a 10 year 100M commitment from donors and that doesn’t happen outside of Calipari at Arkansas.
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Hoopsnstuff said:
Whats crazy is Sluka is a better passer than Orji. Obviously Mullen is leaps and bounds above our former offensive play caller in terms of developing. Just thought it was funny.
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Sluka wasnt a bad passer in his career- around 60% with a fairly decent TD/INT ration. He obviously didnt have a good start at UNLV..
Hoopsnstuff said:
Is everyone of the opinion that Orji should start? Personally I like Colandrea more and think he starts.
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I think both can be good QBs. Orji just has another dimension hid physical size and skills add that MWC QBs don't have. There's a reason Dan brought him in after signing Colandrea first
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WarthogRebel said:
In the Cofield interview Harper scoffed at the concept of a $ 5 Million NIL. He twice mentioned not overpaying players. I would say the same if our NIL was 1/5 of the $ 5 Mil number or less.

Do some AI searches on " How Many NCAA Teams will pay $ 5 Million or more NIL.?" ( I tried Grok and Perplexity ) The answer comes up between 25-30. I understand there are people who feel you can get the players you need without "overpaying" them. Well, you don't need to overpay but you do need to pay what is needed. There are also people who point to diamonds in the rough as proof a coach can find players nobody else has found and ride them to glory. Yes, this does happen OCCASIONALLY, but not often at all. An almost never over and over again by the same coach.

It's clear to me the town is not going to support what will be needed to do better than what Boise is now. Every 5th year win the conference and go to the NCAA's every third year with a bad seed. ( then one and done) In the new MWC light we may often be in the top two in conference and go every other year to the NCAA's, but still bad seeds with one and done.

People who dream of 12,000 to 15,000 in the MACK need to realize we just don't have the financial support to make it happen.
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Harper may have a knee jerk reaction to the 23-24 season. I am pretty sure we had the biggest NIL in the league by far, and still didn't get over the hump.
In better hands we probably would have gone further, but he has seen at least a relatively high NIL for this level not working.
He is right that we need to be able to do more with less, because we simply cannot compete financially with the Power schools. Every other MW team that goes to the tournament ( which is a large percentage) and we don't can do more with less.

Which is funny that we went with Pastner who is known to do less with more, but he is a good face for the program, he will be able to fundraise himself which is needed.

I think Harper just wants the bball program to be good enough for a P4 invite. Sure fans help in that equation, but being a bubble team quality is more than enough for say the B12.
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unlove said:
I feel this way more and more. If it weren’t for UNLV I’m not sure I’d watch anymore and even then I’ve feel less and less connected to the program. Implicit in rooting for your Alma mater is the loyalty you have for your college is also present in the players wearing the jersey. I don’t blame the players for getting paid but without any guardrails the game has been turned upside down. Short of UNLV being relevant nationally I’m not sure I’ll last as a fan of the game in this environment. Professional teams have more longevity than college nowadays. It’s pathetic.
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“So-and-so is transferring, per his agent.”

Nothing says ‘student-athlete’ like that phrase does.
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