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It's all G5....

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Bullmastiff 1 said:
How?

Look at current MWC/PAC lineup.

Exclude UNLV and Boise State.

Every single coaching job is available. Pays the same everywhere.

Start listing the most attractive jobs and where you think you would have the best opportunity to win immediately and tell me how far down the list you get before you reach a MWC school.

Second point if UNLV and Boise had similiar OOC schedules and the results were the same. And then both ran the table in their respective conferences there is no way in any universe UNLV gets the nod over Boise State.

I just can't see it.

I'd take

Fresno, SDSU, CSU, OSU, WSU jobs before any MWC job.

I have to get all the way down to USU job before I might consider taking a MWC job.

In all likelihood the PAC media deal will be 3-5 million more per year than the MWC deal (possibly more) They took some of the largest markets and historically best programs in the conference. That alone over a three to 5 year period gives them an edge over MWC schools going forward.

We've had recent success and we're pointed in a good direction, but let's not pretend SDSU and Fresno's runs are ancient history and they can't bounce back. USU was bowl eligible pretty regularly. CSU won a bunch of games this year. WSU was bowl eligible this year.
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This is where perception and reality mix...
CSU had 1 good season under McElwain, was then 7-6 3 straight seasons and has been a mid-tier to bottom tier MWC team since. Historically, We'd look at them and go "sure would be nice to go bowling" but its not like they're a powerhouse some people are giving them credit for. Frankly outside Boise, every other MWC program has a similar pedigree, with ours coming more recently. Most have 1 era where they win an average amount of games, make a few bowls, maybe have 1 good season and then drop off the map. Fresno has had a little bit more longer sustained success with solid hires after Hill, but SDSU was terrible outside a season with Brady Hoke and a handful of seasons under Rocky Long. Utah St has had really bad years and some decent seasons, and then in between a mixed bag of results. That's pretty much true of WSU and OSU as well.
So our success is recent yes, but we are making huge investments in the program to hopefully sustain the winning that our "flash in the pan" seasons created. These other schools were not able to do so and WSU will probably regress back into this similar cycle, especially with their former coach absolutely torching the programs perception since departing for WF... Outside maybe Utah St. hiring Bronco which might make Boise a little worried starting in 2026, every program across both conferences have failed to parlay their success into anything more than a few good seasons here and there in between some bad ones. And dont argue "attendance and markets.." there are definitely better places as college towns that encourages attendance even with bad teams than Las Vegas Im looking at records and perceptions. that's why the whole "Pac 12 is better then the MWC" argument is ridiculous because each side is projecting strength through mediocrity with 1 brand carrying the flag for each...
******basketball is a different conversation- not relevant to football conversation*****
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Bullmastiff 1 said:
Some of our portal departures may have been 'encouraged' to explore other options.
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Yeah, I saw some of those names and said, "Who's dat?"
Yes, Mani Powell and Catalon are big loss but they follow CBO from Ark.
Burrell is good but he's been replaced with that kid from Utah.
Chittenden and Nichols ....WTF? You are kickers. Where are you going?
Fisher Camac. Going to be stud. Big loss.
Grimes another big loss.
I hope Marsel McDuffie stays.
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LVRebel2000 said:
Yes, those 2 obviously, but also in the portal are McDaniel, Irvin, and Corey Thompson.
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Who caught how many passes this year? Frankly our WR Corp outside White and DeJesus was a big letdown especially given Marion was a WR. I know it's partially on Hajj/Sluka to get them the ball but when they tried, there was a lot of dropped passes. Getting a fresh group might not be so bad...
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Masked_rebel said:
by most of our Wrs you mean White and Dejesus because outside those 2 we didnt have any other real WRs, lol...
Again, some are concerned about "rebuilding" a team and thats fair. But its not like Mullen is a first time HC and doesnt have any connections, recruits, etc. We are going to see a lot of movement, but thats not a sky is falling moment. Especially becuase of the media hype Mullen has gotten since being hired. Hes been on the Bowl game coverage on National TV, on the Herd, etc. He's going to get talked about during the CFP because his friend Urban is on the big noon kickoff and theyll talk about UNLV when Boise is on..
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Yes, those 2 obviously, but also in the portal are McDaniel, Irvin, and Corey Thompson.
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LVRebel2000 said:
at this point, it's TBD on what offensive players we're going to have. We're losing both QB's, most of the WR's, the TE, and most of the OL. So at this point, you build the offensive playbook on Jet Thomas it seems.
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by most of our Wrs you mean White and Dejesus because outside those 2 we didnt have any other real WRs, lol...
Again, some are concerned about "rebuilding" a team and thats fair. But its not like Mullen is a first time HC and doesnt have any connections, recruits, etc. We are going to see a lot of movement, but thats not a sky is falling moment. Especially becuase of the media hype Mullen has gotten since being hired. Hes been on the Bowl game coverage on National TV, on the Herd, etc. He's going to get talked about during the CFP because his friend Urban is on the big noon kickoff and theyll talk about UNLV when Boise is on..
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j. spilotro said:
But we know how that would work with big schools. Cap reached, under the table for the other dudes. You’d be better off under the table anyway for tax purposes.

It’s too out of control. NCAA will play the don’t ask, don’t tell game with that.
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It won't be the NCAA. The top schools will break away and players will form representation. Use the current pay cap/ luxury tax in pro sports as a guide. As far as under the table goes I can see teams stretching the rules ( think NHL ) before i can see much under the table activity. Teams will be thoroughly audited and each team will have an interest in keeping the others in line.
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It's all G5....

Bullmastiff 1
Rebel1986 said:
Outside of UNLV and BSU, there isn't a single team in the PAC or MWC that would move the needle at all. The only thing that will matter is the out of conference schedule. If UNLV can in the future have a schedule similar to this season, then I believe they will get the nod over BSU 9 out of 10 times in the future with a similar record. The only thing that moved the needle at all for BSU this season was the Oregon game and the two games verse UNLV.
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How?

Look at current MWC/PAC lineup.

Exclude UNLV and Boise State.

Every single coaching job is available. Pays the same everywhere.

Start listing the most attractive jobs and where you think you would have the best opportunity to win immediately and tell me how far down the list you get before you reach a MWC school.

Second point if UNLV and Boise had similiar OOC schedules and the results were the same. And then both ran the table in their respective conferences there is no way in any universe UNLV gets the nod over Boise State.

I just can't see it.

I'd take

Fresno, SDSU, CSU, OSU, WSU jobs before any MWC job.

I have to get all the way down to USU job before I might consider taking a MWC job.

In all likelihood the PAC media deal will be 3-5 million more per year than the MWC deal (possibly more) They took some of the largest markets and historically best programs in the conference. That alone over a three to 5 year period gives them an edge over MWC schools going forward.

We've had recent success and we're pointed in a good direction, but let's not pretend SDSU and Fresno's runs are ancient history and they can't bounce back. USU was bowl eligible pretty regularly. CSU won a bunch of games this year. WSU was bowl eligible this year.
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LVRebel2000
dcut03 said:
That was a bit of a joke. Saying that an I formation would be a radical formation these days.
He did say that 60% or his playbook will be the same. Or was it 80%. He will tailor the offense to the players we have so that's good, but i dont think he will do anything radically different
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at this point, it's TBD on what offensive players we're going to have. We're losing both QB's, most of the WR's, the TE, and most of the OL. So at this point, you build the offensive playbook on Jet Thomas it seems.
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WarthogRebel said:
In the interview where he mentioned a spread option he also said he'd consider an "I" formation. It all would depend on the players he had.
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That was a bit of a joke. Saying that an I formation would be a radical formation these days.
He did say that 60% or his playbook will be the same. Or was it 80%. He will tailor the offense to the players we have so that's good, but i dont think he will do anything radically different
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Boston Rebel 2 said:
All the schools with the $$ will end up with the best ones anyway. I support capitalism too but that isn't forcing schools to allow players to stay into their 30s.
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"All the schools with the $$ will end up with the best ones anyway."

The only way this is controlled is with a "salary cap". This would involve paying players and then negotiating salary caps in the "league". Without some type of cap it will get down to 5-10 teams who always win.
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Rosegreen1
Rebel1986 said:
The fake punt was due to the special teams coach who is at Purdue, but the recruits only see that UNLV pulled of this amazing fake punt! It is still blowing up on social media, and could have an impact on recruiting for UNLV football!
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That’s the unlv brand, excitement. I don’t know if that fake punt would happen without Del Alexander OK’ing it, I’m not sure Barry would have given his overly conservative approach to the game.
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It's all G5....

Rebel1986
Bullmastiff 1 said:
OOC is a wash between between UNLV and Boise State. Both go 3-1...Vs similiar competition.


You cannot seriously think that when it comes time for the CFP committee rankings that UNLV is getting the nod over Boise playing the new MWC schedule vs the PAC schedule.
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Outside of UNLV and BSU, there isn't a single team in the PAC or MWC that would move the needle at all. The only thing that will matter is the out of conference schedule. If UNLV can in the future have a schedule similar to this season, then I believe they will get the nod over BSU 9 out of 10 times in the future with a similar record. The only thing that moved the needle at all for BSU this season was the Oregon game and the two games verse UNLV.
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Bullmastiff 1
InZoneU said:
Yeah the bedwetting over not being in the PAC is weird. It's like people don't realize that nobody in the midwest, south or east see a huge difference in playing Fresno or New Mexico. They don't. Like some east coast media pollster is going to dock UNLV massively for not playing in the PAC instead of the MWC. It's frankly, laughable.
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OOC is a wash between between UNLV and Boise State. Both go 3-1...Vs similiar competition.


You cannot seriously think that when it comes time for the CFP committee rankings that UNLV is getting the nod over Boise playing the new MWC schedule vs the PAC schedule.

It's not just football. look at basketball and tell me the new MWC is more than a 2 bid league.
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It's all G5....

Rebel1986
dcut03 said:
SOS is SOS.
Computers can tell the difference between Austin or Laramie either.

SDSU has been a top3 MW team historically. To think that they are going to be a perpetual bottom feeders given everything they have is pretty short sighted.

When it comes for that coveted playoff spot SOS will matter. We may have to play 6 90+ teams. Thr PAC may have 1 or 2. That makes a ridiculous difference.

The AAC was hurt by their SOS this year despite their records. UNLV this season looked better in comparison

Again it is G5. But there will be a difference. In both competition and payout.

Oh money does matter. Huge gap for everyone not in the P4. But there is a difference between maybe 5 a year vs 10+.

Oh yeah say goodbye to our NCAAT credits once the legacy payouts run out.
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The only reason that the AAC wasn't in front of the MWC was due to BSU having a very high rating due to the one game played verse Oregon. Remove BSU and the rest of the MWC didn't do anything. When the MWC breaks to the PAC, they will have BSU and a bunch of SCRUBS (sorry, pun intended!). Depending on being able to get NIU and one other team from back east, I do not believe there will be that noticeable of a difference between the MWC and the PAC on a national level. The bottom line is that UNLV must be as good as they were this year or better. As for BSU, remove the wins over UNLV, and they didn't beat a single team ranked in the top 40.
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RebelinWA
Rosegreen1 said:
way too early to press the panic button. Jet is staying and others will come back + Mullen will get his guys in eventually.

It’s also very early in the process, lots of teams still bowling and there’s the CFP. There’s a lot of moving parts here so it will be a process before Mullen gets his staff in place and players in.
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Those ESPN highlights, and Pat McAfee praising the team help a lot too.
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