j. spilotro said:

So, you want us to believe that some how, some way - Colorado football was worse, had a worse history, had less value, less pride, less worth than, less future than … UNLV football? UNLV football, which was very consistently, almost to an annual rule, one of the 10 worst programs year over year? Wasn’t Colorado top 20 in 3 of 7 different seasons just before Sanders took over? You really expect me to believe the ultra-hyperbolism that some how UNLV and Colorado were similar?

When it comes to leaving a program in better shape than they found it, Odom will be one of the top coaches with that. His turnaround year one was incredible by itself, and then year two to show it wasn’t a fluke.

I said nothing about dollar for dollar. If money making is what matters, it’s a good investment. If winning games and championships is the goal, which is what fans want - presidents and ADs want the money, they don’t care about wins, they’re administrators, they’re bureaucrats, they’re corporate, they’re gov … but the fans don’t care about money, they want the wins … then it’s up in the air. I have a feeling that most fans won’t be happy with 10M per year for 9-5 records, middle of conference finishes and an ordinary bowl. I could be wrong, I don’t know that fanbase … but I’d think every fanbase would be upset.

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1.) And Prime will be one of the top coaches doing this at Colorado, you have your opinion, I have mine!

2.) Okay?! Lol

3.) As for the his worth of course you’re going to say he isn’t worth it, you don’t like him, no matter how you try to “veil” it!

Let’s see if he plateaus down the road, he hasn’t yet and if he does throw a party at that time!

Prime and Menzies are your white or should I see “black” whales! Lol

Take it however you want!

JTthe2nd said:

Or a very pricey buyout just like the coaches. They want big boy money they can play the big boy game. Let the P5 schools cry about it.

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Which is exactly why it won’t happen the big schools will block it.

Rebel_Luv said:

Well if he does get poached then we are in good shape. Nobody is going to poach CJP unless we are winning at a high level. Hopefully we can get to USU level and have to worry about it every year or 2.

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I hope you are right about this because it would mean that he stays here that much longer!
I think Pastner has a plan this time around and UNLV basketball is going to benefit from it!

Here’s hoping anyway…

j. spilotro said:

Hype wise, he’s getting it done. And that’s good to start with. It gets eyeballs, it gets money, it gets tv and print. He’s sold everyone on it. At some point, you’ve gotta produce. Not saying he won’t. He has the all the backing he needs. He’s always been a very charismatic salesman.

If his career is a series of 9-4s, does that keep his job? I don’t know, I don’t know the school/area/fanbase.

Let me ask you this, if he treads water, 9-4, for four years and gets canned, wouldn’t it be considered a huge flop considering their investment?

And that’s where flash has always concerned me. Bayno winning the WACT, UNLV overreacted and tacked on three years because of the euphoria.

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First you have to know that CU was thinking of getting rid of football, as crazy as that sounds before he got here, it was that hopeless!

If he goes 9-4 for the next 4 years and gets fired, would it be a flop, I don’t think so… who else would have come here and did the same thing is the question?!

He may be gone down the road due to the NFL (which would be a mistake imo) or due to plateauing in the win/loss column but I tell you that he would be leaving the program far better off than anyone else could have considering where they were!

I tell people when you fix up your house with improvements be aware that the improvements you make should make sense not be overboard because the improvements you make to your house might look like “wow” to you but the next person buying your home might not think so.

Nobody in college sports is getting “dollar for dollar” back with the enormous amount of money being thrown around! CU is no exception, you pay to keep the coach, you waffle, you could lose them!

Boston Rebel 2 said:

NIL should require a minimum two year no transfer contract.

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Or a very pricey buyout just like the coaches. They want big boy money they can play the big boy game. Let the P5 schools cry about it.

j. spilotro said:

I don’t know him, never met him. Don’t hate him, loved watching him play both sports. Like Bo, but in a much different way, I marveled at his abilities. He was as smooth as an athlete can be.

But it’s simple, I don’t like so much flash without substance. He backed it up while playing. With coaching, that hoopla precedes him, not actual accomplishment. But I don’t hate the guy.

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Joe I get it you don’t like flash, neither do I because it feels like I’m being sold! I never liked coaches who could not back up the talk with their walk when I was playing and I played through college and like it even less now… see guys like Dabo etc!

But dude you come across bad when it comes to Prime, just my perception.

The guy is getting it done up there and you have to admit that!

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We’ve had QBs that could run. Orji can do that, and take advantage of weak contact. He has pretty good speed and can punish defenses that don’t lock up when they tackle. He has enough there for Mullen to work with. Even if Colandrea is your guy, you still find ways to keep Orji involved.

j. spilotro said:

It’s not better, of course.

But both years, UNLV finished higher than Colorado in the CFB ratings. UNLV football … no fans, no history … no money … no expectations.

Are you going to say he did a better job than Odom in those two years?

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I’m saying the Big 12 is far more competitive than MWC, period!

And taking a team that was actually lower than UNLV was when he got hired to 5-5 his first year and then 9-4 in his second, exceeding the over under for wins in both seasons is pretty impressive!

Let me ask… do you think that if Deion was HC at UNLV those same 2 years that he wouldn’t have won the same games Odom did?

What is your hatred of Deion based on?

Have you ever talked to him or even met him or is your hatred based on third hand info from the media or people you know?

You don’t need to answer because I think it’s obvious!

I know nothing ,but i think this is about as good of a hire as we could expect. He resume is great. Just putting things into perspective i mean for US!

Meister_Rebel said:

Would be nice to keep someone like that for a while.

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Well if he does get poached then we are in good shape. Nobody is going to poach CJP unless we are winning at a high level. Hopefully we can get to USU level and have to worry about it every year or 2.

rebel5280 said:

Scott Garson is regarded as one of the better X’s and O’s coaches on the West Coast!

If Josh struggles with the X’s and O’s in the past then you hire someone who doesn’t, looks like Pastner may have grown a bit since GT and Memphis!

Hmmmm I love it when a plan comes together!

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Now he needs to go find an equally solid defensive savant

rebel5280 said:

Or maybe stay with Josh until he gets us to the P4 level, then take off for greener pastures! 😉

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Would be nice to keep someone like that for a while.

j. spilotro said:

He’s always been about him.

What is he, 500 at Colorado? Odom did more, with less and for less.

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We beat losers to get most of wins, granted they were on the schedule so you do what you have to but let’s not confuse the MWC with the Big 12, now c’mon now Joe! Lol

Meister_Rebel said:

Seems like a solid hire. Worked under Rick Majerus and Ben Howland. Was a HC at a Junior College which won a bunch of games. Kudos to Josh on this one. He will be with us one or two years and then get a HC job in the D1 level.

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Or maybe stay with Josh until he gets us to the P4 level, then take off for greener pastures! 😉

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Seems like a solid hire. Worked under Rick Majerus and Ben Howland. Was a HC at a Junior College which won a bunch of games. Kudos to Josh on this one. He will be with us one or two years and then get a HC job in the D1 level.

rebel5280 said:

Scott Garson is regarded as one of the better X’s and O’s coaches on the West Coast!

If Josh struggles with the X’s and O’s in the past then you hire someone who doesn’t, looks like Pastner may have grown a bit since GT and Memphis!

Hmmmm I love it when a plan comes together!

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Looking at SCU they've been very effective on offense very good at 2pt and 3pt percentages and by product, effective fg %. Also SCU was very competitive, 10 of their 13 losses were single digits

rebswin2 said:

Now he will complain that CU has no money for NIL. If he does I know where he can find some. Maybe take $3million less and ask that it goes to NIL?

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Or he might just keep on winning!

CU has been notoriously cheap in the past when it comes to paying coaches, they now realize who they have and didn’t make the same mistake!

As for whining about NIL money and needing more to compete, don’t all coaches do that?!

Looks like he did not fail, like many here hoped he would! Lol

There needs to be proof of contracted work for compensation. This is being paid for "NIL", while there is no actual use of the NIL.
If they can get TV ads, print ads, appearances, or whatever. But just getting paid handouts right now has nothing to do with NIL and is basically a work around for schools paying players which has been at least illegal.
If a player is getting a national TV spot, sure pay him millions of dollars. But there needs to be some proof of "work" for that pay.
Otherwise they should have a cap and let the school give out stipend for play. But those should have contracts as well.

If college sports is basically professional sports, it needs to work like professional sports. This current situation ain't it.

Scott Garson is regarded as one of the better X’s and O’s coaches on the West Coast!

If Josh struggles with the X’s and O’s in the past then you hire someone who doesn’t, looks like Pastner may have grown a bit since GT and Memphis!

Hmmmm I love it when a plan comes together!

rebels1990 said:

1st post so unsure how to embed tweets, but Jon Rothstein says Pastner is hiring Scott Garson from Santa Clara

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NIL should require a minimum two year no transfer contract.

InZoneU said:

NIL is so fkcn dumb. Just allow NBA or NFL teams to sign kids like 16 or older and let them pay for their development in college, overseas, etc.

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We start paying players was dumb. Team shouldn’t be able to profit off of their names without having to pay them a significant chunk, but you can put that in an escrow and pay it when they graduate. The argument was a scholarship wasn’t enough yet 95% of the country would be ecstatic if their kids qualified for an athletic scholarship and never got anything more than that.

1st post so unsure how to embed tweets, but Jon Rothstein says Pastner is hiring Scott Garson from Santa Clara

NIL is so fkcn dumb. Just allow NBA or NFL teams to sign kids like 16 or older and let them pay for their development in college, overseas, etc.