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Stumbled Across This..(Big 12 Expansion/UNLV)

Stumbled across this on YouTube. Videos a bit long has some commercials. Anyway guy is a West Virginia fan that talks a lot of college football. He dedicated an entire 20ish minute video about Big12 potentially adding UNLV.

He mentioned two quotes from sports writers that prompted him to do the video.

He's pretty level headed did a prospect and cons but seems to think UNLV to Big12 might have some legs.

One quote in particular (I think around 6 minute mark?) from Big12 commissioner was pretty interesting. Paraphrasing commissioner said Big 12 does. 'Wants BIG12 to have more events in big media markets like Las Vegas where Big12 doesn't have a presence 'yet'.
At 4 minute mark he discusses Texas Tech writer saying UNLV was under considerations for BIG12 a year ago.

He's pretty informed on how the PAC/MWC stuff went down and the agreement UNLV signed with MWC.

Anyway decent listen.

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I sure hope there is some legs. In fact, I was/almost convinced that there is at least some talk with the Big 12 right now. If there wasn't, I don't think Harper makes the decision that he did.

It doesn't mean that it will happen, but I would like to think we wouldn't have made this risky decision without any sort of ongoing conversation with the Big 12 that seemed to leave the door open at least a little.

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I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.
I am curious as well. Performance wise they are pretty good (better than Wyoming, AF and a few others as of late). I agree on Texas State and a partner school.

Stumbled Across This..(Big 12 Expansion/UNLV)

Stumbled across this on YouTube. Videos a bit long has some commercials. Anyway guy is a West Virginia fan that talks a lot of college football. He dedicated an entire 20ish minute video about Big12 potentially adding UNLV.

He mentioned two quotes from sports writers that prompted him to do the video.

He's pretty level headed did a prospect and cons but seems to think UNLV to Big12 might have some legs.

One quote in particular (I think around 6 minute mark?) from Big12 commissioner was pretty interesting. Paraphrasing commissioner said Big 12 does. 'Wants BIG12 to have more events in big media markets like Las Vegas where Big12 doesn't have a presence 'yet'.
At 4 minute mark he discusses Texas Tech writer saying UNLV was under considerations for BIG12 a year ago.

He's pretty informed on how the PAC/MWC stuff went down and the agreement UNLV signed with MWC.

Anyway decent listen.

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I there any news, or any real chance that they end up in the MWC for football only?

Toledo and NIU?

Yeah Brett McMurphy reported MWC and Toledo are in talks as football only members. MAC media rights deal is 2.5 million per. So half of current MWC deal (And based on early reports next MWC deal could approach that.)

II think a lot will depend on a few things.

1- Do those schools have somewhere to put their other sports.

2- Is doubling media deal enough to move. I'm not sure it is unless they get a full share. Even then I don't know if it's enough with exit fees for them.

3- How much would Toledo and NIU add to current media deal?

4- Is this a move setting up something else? Hear me out here. If you add those two, could you then entice somebody like Liberty since they would now have 2 travel partners for football? AAC probably makes more sense for Liberty and they may want to see what happens with Memphis and Tulane. But I'd seriously take a look at them. Mentioned them before but I'd kick tires on Western KY as another travel partner...

If Gloria misses out there then Look at Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Getting Hawaii done helps because MWC is a full conference and can present more accurate media package deals.
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I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.
I there any news, or any real chance that they end up in the MWC for football only?

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NMSU brings nothing to the table in terms of population and they are two teams headed in opposite directions. NMSU has made the tourney once in the last five years and they have been putrid the last two years. GCU on the other hand has made the tourney 3 of the last 5 years (3 of 4) with a win last season.

I honestly feel bad for NMSU fans. They kinda see the writing on the wall and being stuck in CUSA. If this was just about performance and region, NMSU would be a no brainer over UTEP. But it boils down to media rights/viewership potential and El Paso at least triple the population of Las Cruces.

I'm actually excited at the possibility of Toledo and NIU joining FB only. I'd still kick tires on Sam Houston and Texas State (again).

Curious what the addition of Toledo and NIU would do for media deal.
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There are a lot of accolades given to the Rebels this week

...following the USU win.

RWIII MWC offensive POW

Jackson Woodward is MWC Def POW

But to me, this is the coolest....Hajj got a speeding ticket in the school zone

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Won't be surprised to see Jackson on Odom's coaching staff when his playing days are done.

I'm loathe to give anything or anyone Reno any credit but.

Being an alumnus ( in case you couldn't guess) I resent Reno decided to name themselves Nevada when that is not their official name. Am I the only one?
Who in hell would want to have reno on their uniform. Their insecurity runs deep when you want to look BIG in the Biggest Little City. They are an embarrassment and the Governor should force them to use reno on their uniforms.
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One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.
The interest over Grand Canyon is over the last couple of years when they have really boosted up their entire athletic department as well as the fact that they have over 200,000 alumni, over 25,000 students on campus with another 100,000 internet students. They also have a total of 19 athletic teams.

The baseball team was 36-25 with wins over USC, Ohio State, BYU, Nebraska, Arizona State and Arizona. In the NCAA regionals they had wins over #15 Arizona and #25 Dallas Baptist. The MWC champion was Fresno State who went 33-29 and went 0-2 in the NCAA tournament.

The basketball team went 30-5 with wins over #25 SDSU during the regular season and a 75-66 win in the NCAA tournament against #15 ranked Saint Mary's. Boise State, CSU, New Mexico, and unr all went out either in the first four or the round of 64. Only SDSU, Utah State and Saint Mary's got out of the round of 64. Utah State lost by 39 in the round of 32, GCU lost by 12 to 4th seed Alabama. The only team to go forward to the round of 16 was the same SDSU that GCU easily beat during the regular season. While GCU is no Gonzaga in basketball, they would be in the top tier of the current MWC.

While fixing football is the most important part of the MWC rebuild, it is also important to bring in programs that can allow for other sports to thrive.

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I think the initial 10-15 million media package deal the PAC floated was tiered.

15 million - Original 6 plus Memphis/Tulane/USF/UTSA

That was dream scenario.

There were likely a few others until they got to doomsday scenario which was UNLV and USU.

that was the 10 million.

When UNLV said no, everything got derailed.

If they knew they had 10 million or more in a media deal regardless of who the 8th/9th/10th teams were they could have easily added UTEP or NMSU or Texas State and been done with it.

But they are probably staring at a media deal around 8 million with current configuration which would only be a slight bump from what Boise State is getting now and significantly less than WSU and OSU were getting in old PAC deal.

They had plans in place but definitely never thought it would get to this point.

Adding Gonzaga as full member means one more mouth to feed.

So even if they get Memphis and the package was 100 million you are splitting it 9 ways instead of 8.

As for adding NMSU. There's really no point in adding them now after landing UTEP. Las Cruces is a small market and only 50 miles from El Paso. It's not technically the same market but it may as well be.

Not saying UTEP was a better add but 700k potential viewers vs 100k is massive.

I think there are plenty of better options than NMSU at this point. I'm not bashing NMSU just saying with UNM and UTEP they become redundant. I think you'd rather add timezones.

Say MWC adds Toledo and NIU..I sure as crap would be also contacting WKU, Liberty Sam Houston and Texas State (again). WKU/Toledo and NIU would give Liberty travel partners for football. I'd even consider Liberty as Football only as well. WKU has been pretty solid in football and Sam Houston is playing well after moving up from FCS.

Doesn't do much for basketball but it increases footprint for football and adds Liberty who has some name value the last few years.
UTEP viewership 3,000,000 when you add Juarez.
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One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.
NMSU brings nothing to the table in terms of population and they are two teams headed in opposite directions. NMSU has made the tourney once in the last five years and they have been putrid the last two years. GCU on the other hand has made the tourney 3 of the last 5 years (3 of 4) with a win last season.
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Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Who made the NCAA tournament? Who made it the year before that? How about the year before that? We brought in 0 dollars for the conference in NCAA tournament credits and have failed to do so for more than a decade... that puts us behind each of those programs. We haven't gotten an at large bid since 2013, and since then we have seen Utah State, UNR, Boise, UNM, and CSU all either won a conference championship or made the NCAA tournament. Now you can argue some of those at large bids to the Last 4 dont really matter and thats fine, but they were in the tournament and we have not been.
Never said UNLV did, but I am not the one that said that the PAC took the top 4 basketball teams from the MWC. I showed that wasn't true, and you changed the narrative.
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One other point. I don’t get the interest in GCU. New Mexico State dominated them in hoops until they moved to CUSA from the WAC with a 14-5 conference record. In the series NMSU was 9-0 at home and 6-5 at GCU. I would take NMSU any day over GCU.

There was a master plan in place. The plan by the PAC2 was to raid and blow up the MWC, instead of a reverse merger. They failed! The MWC is still intact. Also, the PAC was clearly outmaneuvered and who else is available? Sac State or Tx State?

I think the initial 10-15 million media package deal the PAC floated was tiered.

15 million - Original 6 plus Memphis/Tulane/USF/UTSA

That was dream scenario.

There were likely a few others until they got to doomsday scenario which was UNLV and USU.

that was the 10 million.

When UNLV said no, everything got derailed.

If they knew they had 10 million or more in a media deal regardless of who the 8th/9th/10th teams were they could have easily added UTEP or NMSU or Texas State and been done with it.

But they are probably staring at a media deal around 8 million with current configuration which would only be a slight bump from what Boise State is getting now and significantly less than WSU and OSU were getting in old PAC deal.

They had plans in place but definitely never thought it would get to this point.

Adding Gonzaga as full member means one more mouth to feed.

So even if they get Memphis and the package was 100 million you are splitting it 9 ways instead of 8.

As for adding NMSU. There's really no point in adding them now after landing UTEP. Las Cruces is a small market and only 50 miles from El Paso. It's not technically the same market but it may as well be.

Not saying UTEP was a better add but 700k potential viewers vs 100k is massive.

I think there are plenty of better options than NMSU at this point. I'm not bashing NMSU just saying with UNM and UTEP they become redundant. I think you'd rather add timezones.

Say MWC adds Toledo and NIU..I sure as crap would be also contacting WKU, Liberty Sam Houston and Texas State (again). WKU/Toledo and NIU would give Liberty travel partners for football. I'd even consider Liberty as Football only as well. WKU has been pretty solid in football and Sam Houston is playing well after moving up from FCS.

Doesn't do much for basketball but it increases footprint for football and adds Liberty who has some name value the last few years.
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