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Yeah, it feels low to me, but I was just passing on what was shared on their Wazzu board. If Wazzu and OSU are only in the $10 million range, they're definitely not getting a deal higher than that. But if their value is closer to 20 or 30 million, then they could definitely get more.
There is no way that Washington State or Oregon State are anywhere close to 30 million let alone even 20 million each. In 2022 the PAC12 offer was a little under $30 million per school with school like Oregon, UCLA, USC, etc. who are worth 10 times those school value in regards to media contracts.

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The Presidents of OSU and WSU are desperate. In their minds they already spent the $ 20 million they were getting ( and feel they deserve in perpetuity) and will do anything, grasp at any straw to get as close to that as possible. Realism doesn't have a place in their calculations. What happens to other programs is completely irrelevant. It will take loads of time for them to accept the fact that they are no longer one of the cool kids. Their daddy is no longer buying them a new Tesla but a used civic and they can't stand it.

Barry Odom salary

Barry can make money outside of the usual base salary and incentives. The guy could start his own brand of cereal. Can you imagine hearing your kids ask you for a bowl of ODOMS at breakfast. Start his own clothing line. Who wants an Air Jordan outfit when you could be wearing an ODOMS UNLV shirt. I mean who in the hell wants to be a Prime when you can be an Odom. In Vegas the guy is sitting on a gold mine. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am sure coach Odom is up for almost anything with the one big exception being he will not ride a bull again!

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The best part of Odom is how he speaks about building a program and expectations for the future. I think he is happy and wants to be here, so UNLV needs to do whatever it takes to make sure he is year for the long run. We finally got it right in football!
He is the type of coach that can turn UNLV into a dynasty in the same way as past coaches did at Boise State.

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Let me ask you this.

PAC could at any moment add a NMSU or whoever to get to eight. NMSU or pretty much any CUSA school would jump ship. CUSA media deal is under a million so anything is better.

What I'm getting at is this, after the PAC finishes their media valuation (How the hell had they not done this already?) what is the minimum number that makes rebuilding the PAC even viable/sustainable?

I think Boise with their sweetheart deal was around 7 million? Vs rest of conference around 5.

WSU is in serious debt (100m) OSU debt is double UNLVs. They were operating on 20 million budget before.

I don't know, I mean maybe with current lineup PAC can get to 8m per school? If the conferences were to merge plus addition of El Paso market, Gonzaga basketball, and Hawaii full membership (helps media deal) could a merged MWC/PAC pull close to 10?

I dont think a merger is likely possible now but I wonder if there is a doomsday point for the PAC where they say this isn't gonna work..
Oh I agree fully. I think their valuation isn't going to be where they thought it was. I think they're going to come out of those conversations and needing to be rather aggressive to getting that 8th market and its going to be who their new media partner suggests. On the whole, the merger isnt likely. Too many promises to different programs that would have to get worked out.. Like WSU/OSU want to keep their Pac 2 dollars, do they still pay the 120 million owned to the MWC for screwing things up? How about UNLV.. do we still get our bonuses? Then what about the Pac 2 agreements with the other 5 programs, does the revenue sharing structure for NCAA credits come as part of the merger, if not, there will certainly be someone left behind that doesnt want to hand over their piece of the pie and then it gets real messy, does the exit fee the new Pac 12 agreement has come into play, etc... What's more likely is they are either forced to add either a program they dont really want, or lose a good chunk of their operating cash that some of the current schools didnt want to lose in the first place.

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This is a post from a guy on the Wazzu board. I'm not sure if it's accurate on the $4/viewer thing, but it feels like a somewhat reasonable (but low) number to me.

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We (Wazzu) are going to consistently get about 400K in viewers. The rule of thumb I've read is about $4/viewer (yes ad revenue doesn't work that way). So if we have 6 home games to sell at $1.6M, expect about $9.6M in media revenue. Add a little bit more for basketball and I see us coming in around $10M annually for media personally.

I think we should seriously look at bringing the Pac-12 network back. If ran correctly, and efficiently, the "subs" would provide both additional TV exposure but some level of added revenue.
I wonder what the Wazzu person is smoking.

Yes, build a network. Yes, have a subscription model. Put in the hardwork to build a streaming service. Its doable. I’ve done it professionally for a big media company.

All of that is absolutely doable. But now make money. That’s a different beast. If it was easy, we would have figured it out at CBS interactive, and Paramount plus. We didn’t, and we had a mountain of content.

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If those numbers are true, then it means they will be nowhere near $10 million since the other schools will have far lower viewership numbers, thus dragging that number down by several million. Then they are most likely looking at a number around $8 million or less overall per team in the PAC. Sucks considering all the debt Washington State and Oregon State carry, as well as all the payments due to the MWC from the PAC and the individual schools that left the MWC. Another bonus for UNLV to beat Oregon State is to help lower those numbers even more. If UNLV can beat Oregon State, and then beat BSU both in the home game and in the MWC championship game, that could be another nail in the coffin of the media deal for the PAC. The closer the media deal gets pushed to $8 million or less, the more fighting will occur within the PAC membership. I wonder how Utah State is feeling now?
Yeah, it feels low to me, but I was just passing on what was shared on their Wazzu board. If Wazzu and OSU are only in the $10 million range, they're definitely not getting a deal higher than that. But if their value is closer to 20 or 30 million, then they could definitely get more.
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Barry can make money outside of the usual base salary and incentives. The guy could start his own brand of cereal. Can you imagine hearing your kids ask you for a bowl of ODOMS at breakfast. Start his own clothing line. Who wants an Air Jordan outfit when you could be wearing an ODOMS UNLV shirt. I mean who in the hell wants to be a Prime when you can be an Odom. In Vegas the guy is sitting on a gold mine. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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This is a post from a guy on the Wazzu board. I'm not sure if it's accurate on the $4/viewer thing, but it feels like a somewhat reasonable number to me.

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We (Wazzu) are going to consistently get about 400K in viewers. The rule of thumb I've read is about $4/viewer (yes ad revenue doesn't work that way). So if we have 6 home games to sell at $1.6M, expect about $9.6M in media revenue. Add a little bit more for basketball and I see us coming in around $10M annually for media personally.

I think we should seriously look at bringing the Pac-12 network back. If ran correctly, and efficiently, the "subs" would provide both additional TV exposure but some level of added revenue.
If those numbers are true, then it means they will be nowhere near $10 million since the other schools will have far lower viewership numbers, thus dragging that number down by several million. Then they are most likely looking at a number around $8 million or less overall per team in the PAC. Sucks considering all the debt Washington State and Oregon State carry, as well as all the payments due to the MWC from the PAC and the individual schools that left the MWC. Another bonus for UNLV to beat Oregon State is to help lower those numbers even more. If UNLV can beat Oregon State, and then beat BSU both in the home game and in the MWC championship game, that could be another nail in the coffin of the media deal for the PAC. The closer the media deal gets pushed to $8 million or less, the more fighting will occur within the PAC membership. I wonder how Utah State is feeling now?

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I think one thing to also consider is the cost to leave leagues is going to get steeper with less notice. At this point, they are now probably in that 1 year window, so any target that is currently in say the AAC or CUSA may have a steeper penalty with half the football season gone. Im not sure how the calendars work with that, but the more time they take the harder/costlier it is going to become.

Let me ask you this.

PAC could at any moment add a NMSU or whoever to get to eight. NMSU or pretty much any CUSA school would jump ship. CUSA media deal is under a million so anything is better.

What I'm getting at is this, after the PAC finishes their media valuation (How the hell had they not done this already?) what is the minimum number that makes rebuilding the PAC even viable/sustainable?

I think Boise with their sweetheart deal was around 7 million? Vs rest of conference around 5.

WSU is in serious debt (100m) OSU debt is double UNLVs. They were operating on 20 million budget before.

I don't know, I mean maybe with current lineup PAC can get to 8m per school? If the conferences were to merge plus addition of El Paso market, Gonzaga basketball, and Hawaii full membership (helps media deal) could a merged MWC/PAC pull close to 10?

I dont think a merger is likely possible now but I wonder if there is a doomsday point for the PAC where they say this isn't gonna work..

Barry Odom salary

I think the 3-4 million range is pretty doable.

Here’s a question for old timers from the Tark days. If the Tark days were today, what would unlv be able to pay Tark? I did see he was paid about 600k annually in the 80s. Adjusted for inflation that’s about 1.8 million in today’s value.
They made crazy amounts of money off him with tickets at prices that were in the 10's of thousands for season tickets in the best seats. They could have paid him whatever he wanted since basketball was paying for the entire athletic department with a nice profit.
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This is a post from a guy on the Wazzu board. I'm not sure if it's accurate on the $4/viewer thing, but it feels like a somewhat reasonable (but low) number to me.

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We (Wazzu) are going to consistently get about 400K in viewers. The rule of thumb I've read is about $4/viewer (yes ad revenue doesn't work that way). So if we have 6 home games to sell at $1.6M, expect about $9.6M in media revenue. Add a little bit more for basketball and I see us coming in around $10M annually for media personally.

I think we should seriously look at bringing the Pac-12 network back. If ran correctly, and efficiently, the "subs" would provide both additional TV exposure but some level of added revenue.
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I think an immediate merger has no shot for the reasons you stated; but the odds do increase (slightly, like a couple of percentage decimal points) the closer we get to 2026 and there is no 8th member.

I would have a hard time believing any AD wants to hang their hat on this type of decision. Its difficult to get fired from that type of cushy job. But a perceived bad decision for enough boosters for something like this would be enough.

If PAC is unable to secure members that get them to a media valuation north of 8-9 million a year I guess it would be possible.

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I think one thing to also consider is the cost to leave leagues is going to get steeper with less notice. At this point, they are now probably in that 1 year window, so any target that is currently in say the AAC or CUSA may have a steeper penalty with half the football season gone. Im not sure how the calendars work with that, but the more time they take the harder/costlier it is going to become.

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Anything is possible but a merger of any kind at this point seems unlikely.

There's ego involved. I think some professional relationships damaged. Trust out the window. Wyoming AD interview was pretty revealing. He wasn't blatant about it, but you could tell he was pretty disgusted by the whole thing.
I think an immediate merger has no shot for the reasons you stated; but the odds do increase (slightly, like a couple of percentage decimal points) the closer we get to 2026 and there is no 8th member.

I would have a hard time believing any AD wants to hang their hat on this type of decision. Its difficult to get fired from that type of cushy job. But a perceived bad decision for enough boosters for something like this would be enough.
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Increase his pay, back load it so that it balances out to when we have the money available, add in a 30 million buyout clause. He knows were trying to take care of him and is probably well aware of the conference and financial situation. Hes also reasonable and doesnt seem like he'd feel insulted by something that eventually makes him a very well payed G5 coach.

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It has been reported that the first payment is tied to poaching fees. There rest is following logical threads. Exit fees often are paid off over time in increments.

We know that we are getting extra money from the the conference from the the PAC fees. We know that we will get a lump sum in 2025. We know that we are due poaching fees around that time. We know that we will be then paid over time the rest from the exit fees. Again connecting dots, exit fees are often paid over time.

But by that logic, we know now that lump sum is tied to poaching fees that are now being disputed in a lawsuit. Also the report of 10-14 million, then 1.5-1.8 over 6 years was announced before the lawsuit
From Nevada Sportsnet:

4. Only $61 million promised: While the MW is in line to collect around $90 million in exit fees ($18 million per school for five schools), only $61 million in collected fees is promised to the remaining members in the first wave of payments using the following breakdown: 24.5 percent to Air Force and UNLV; 11.5 percent to Nevada, New Mexico, San Jose State and Wyoming; and 5 percent to Hawaii. That would give Nevada $7.015 million, down from $10.35 million if all $90 million in exit fees was collected and distributed. That "incentive payment" is due to schools July 1, 2026.

6. Pac-12 poaching penalty evenly dispersed: Any money collected by the MW after the first three pots will be dispersed at 15.83 percent per school except for Hawaii, which would get 5 percent. The largest sum of money that could fund those payments would be the Pac-12's $55 million poaching penalty for taking five MW schools, as outlined in the two leagues' football scheduling alliance. The Pac-12 has filed a lawsuit against the MW over the validity of that penalty. That would be an additional $8.7065 million per full member if all $55 million is collected. Additionally,the MW will play all legal fees and expenses incurred by the conference

8. Tournament in Las Vegas: The MW men's and women's basketball tournaments will remain in Las Vegas through the end of the contract (2032). UNLV previously reported the tournaments would stay at the Rebels' Thomas & Mack Center, although the contract does not stipulate that. It simply says the tournaments will be played in Las Vegas. And I think Thomas & Mack is technically inParadise and not Las Vegas, but I digress. Not sure why UNLV put in its press release the tournaments will remain at Thomas & Mack while the contract says it will stay in Las Vegas as the tournaments could move to T-Mobile Arena or MGM Grand Arena and still stay in line with the contract. UNLV's press release offered when signing the agreement stated the "MW will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026." That early payment is not outlined in the contract.

So at least according to this reporting initial payments are coming from exit fees, which are being withheld. It says payments start in 2026, while UNLV says 2025. I’ve also seen it reported as “on OR before July 1, 2026”.

So it seems that the only money they’re counting on is the money being withheld, which appears to be $61 million. 5 schools x $6.1 mil per year = $61 million.

Is it 2025 or 2026? No idea.

Barry Odom salary

I’d assume you’d need a fair amount of booster support. Not sure though on your thinking that the first tranche of additional payments is tied to the PAC lawsuit and liquidated damages. I’d assume that at least a portion of it is tied to exit fees that are being withheld from any payments that would be due to be paid to the traitors.

You can also use speculative numbers to estimate income that includes provisions for fees that are negotiated down.

Even with that though it might be a politically difficult hill to climb to get much north of $3 million? Not sure.
It has been reported that the first payment is tied to poaching fees. There rest is following logical threads. Exit fees often are paid off over time in increments.

We know that we are getting extra money from the the conference from the the PAC fees. We know that we will get a lump sum in 2025. We know that we are due poaching fees around that time. We know that we will be then paid over time the rest from the exit fees. Again connecting dots, exit fees are often paid over time.

But by that logic, we know now that lump sum is tied to poaching fees that are now being disputed in a lawsuit. Also the report of 10-14 million, then 1.5-1.8 over 6 years was announced before the lawsuit
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