Masked_rebel said:

Who are they poaching? The whole goal of their conference was to cut dead weight. Adding CUSA teams defeats that purpose entirely. Adding MWC low tier also defeats that. The MW has options, not like for like, but it's alot easier to add programs and offer lower revenue shares than it is to buy ourselves out and take lower revenue shares...

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Exactly. We are now in the same boat.

Honest question which conference is better as it stands.

I don't think it's particularly close.

Basketball edge them.

Football edge them.

I do not want to be stuck in a lesser conference. I just don't.

We can't pretend that Boise isn't top dog. Or that OSU/WSU aren't better than anybody we have. Fresno better than anybody we have.

SDSU is down sure. But we aren't that far removed from them being really good. No reason to believe they can't reclaim that.

You just crapped on Wyoming yesterday saying they were a horrible option for the PAC, but you're cool being stuck in the same conference with them?

I don't look at it like they are just the same as the old MWC because it's a lot of the same members, it's more like getting demoted from the MWC to a worse one.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

We have 7 teams. They have 7.

Bidding war for what's out there.

Have to take AAC schools out of consideration.

I'm asking this not as an ass generally curious who are you poaching to rebuild? It's really lean.

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Not sure. I’d probably do Texas St and either New Mexico St or UTEP. Or I’d ask the Dakotas to move up (they at least have a name brand). I know it’s not as exciting, but i don’t think it’s that terrible either. Especially if it’s short term. Get more easier wins, plus a few conference head liners, hopefully build prestige somewhat and become more desirable. At the end of the day, The PAC is currently in the same exact position. Who are they adding?

1Tripoda said:

Just for shit and giggles: The Dakotas and the Montanas are 4 schools. Grand Canyon is flush of money. Some possibilities.

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Grand Canyon has football? That and they just joined the WCC along with Seattle.

Good now go after Sac St, Barstow St, Grand Canyon U, Utah Tech , Weber St

Keep Reno and Hawaii and AFA

*EDIT: RE SJSU
They have been very solid in football even winning the conference. But their attendance is still balls. They have no market penetration and adding them was ultimately a mistake. At least in terms of contract negotiations

Bullmastiff 1 said:

We have 7 teams. They have 7.

Bidding war for what's out there.

Have to take AAC schools out of consideration.

I'm asking this not as an ass generally curious who are you poaching to rebuild? It's really lean.

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Just for shit and giggles: The Dakotas and the Montanas are 4 schools. Grand Canyon is flush of money. Some possibilities.

There was also that one idea of the PAC paying the remaining MW teams a flat 20 mil to dissolve. It would save the PAC money and the MW schools would net more than staying together.
They would lose their name, but still create a new conference.
Interesting idea and kinds cold blooded, but a bit of a win win

Bullmastiff 1 said:

We have 7 teams. They have 7.

Bidding war for what's out there.

Have to take AAC schools out of consideration.

I'm asking this not as an ass generally curious who are you poaching to rebuild? It's really lean.

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100%
If they take UNLV and call it quits for now, it's not comparison who has the better conference.
Add in the potential for Gonzaga maybe St. Mary's. Super solid.
Who is left to pick up? NMSU and UTEP and FCS schools.

Boston Rebel 2 said:

I don’t understand why they didn’t just invite enough teams to dissolve the conference to begin with and pay zero exit fees and keep well over $100MM.

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I don’t think they want to invite enough schools to dissolve it, but may need to. Even if Hawaii, Reno, New Mexico and Wyoming stay, they could just add a bunch of crap teams using all of the exit fee money to do so and cash in as well.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

We have 7 teams. They have 7.

Bidding war for what's out there.

Have to take AAC schools out of consideration.

I'm asking this not as an ass generally curious who are you poaching to rebuild? It's really lean.

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Who are they poaching? The whole goal of their conference was to cut dead weight. Adding CUSA teams defeats that purpose entirely. Adding MWC low tier also defeats that. The MW has options, not like for like, but it's alot easier to add programs and offer lower revenue shares than it is to buy ourselves out and take lower revenue shares...

unlv7163 said:

Don’t think it comes to that honestly, but will see. Also don’t think that the PAC are THAT much better that it makes a difference really. Especially if Air Force, San Jose and Wyoming stay. All have had success are good programs in my opinion.

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We have 7 teams. They have 7.

Bidding war for what's out there.

Have to take AAC schools out of consideration.

I'm asking this not as an ass generally curious who are you poaching to rebuild? It's really lean.

unlv7163 said:

Don’t think it comes to that honestly, but will see. Also don’t think that the PAC are THAT much better that it makes a difference really. Especially if Air Force, San Jose and Wyoming stay. All have had success are good programs in my opinion.

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San Jose made a great hire after a great hire. Love their new coach.

Thank god. Go to the Pac12 already. Keep Hawaii football and Gonzaga basketball and you have a quality league. Strong light heavyweight division.

Meister_Rebel said:

All we've heard is that we are exploring options. What if AF and UNLV decide to jump to the AAC.

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Still in play. I think the PAC would still be better, but AAC is much better than staying.

Meister_Rebel said:

All we've heard is that we are exploring options. What if AF and UNLV decide to jump to the AAC.

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Why would UNLV do that?

Bullmastiff 1 said:

No I just don't want to be watching Sam Houston State and Sacramento State.

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Don’t think it comes to that honestly, but will see. Also don’t think that the PAC are THAT much better that it makes a difference really. Especially if Air Force, San Jose and Wyoming stay. All have had success are good programs in my opinion.

Game of chess. There are 3 players in this game. UNLV, fudge PAC'ers, and the MWC. We will see how it transpires soon enough.

All we've heard is that we are exploring options. What if AF and UNLV decide to jump to the AAC.

We aren’t taking less in my opinion. We can still make more short term in the MWC. The PAC needs us to save face. Utah St doesn’t come close to doing that and once you get past the other schools that were committed to stay (SJSU and AFA) then it gets really slim.

Masked_rebel said:

Man... our value has never been higher and some of you want to swap from getting a boat load of cash to spending money to play the same teams?

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No I just don't want to be watching Sam Houston State and Sacramento State.

Boston Rebel 2 said:

I don’t understand why they didn’t just invite enough teams to dissolve the conference to begin with and pay zero exit fees and keep well over $100MM.

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Because I honestly believe the talks with Memphis started months and months ago. Memphis played the PAC saying if we go USF, Tulane, UTSA will follow. PAC now thinking they are about to build a really strong conference, they don't need MWC bottom feeders.

All the while Memphis and company are leveraging AAC with PAC to get better deal never intending to leave.

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Masked_rebel said:

Man... our value has never been higher and some of you want to swap from getting a boat load of cash to spending money to play the same teams?

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If the alternative is playing Friday night football in Fargo in November…

What is that slam called? Roman Greco or Sumo? lol

Man... our value has never been higher and some of you want to swap from getting a boat load of cash to spending money to play the same teams?