TimothyC3 said:

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

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Good and bad. Bad because the PAC doesn't want to pay for more poaching. If that is the case it doesn't help us.

Rebel1986 said:

I would be curious if her putting it in the deal that she would be the hew commish would get her in legal trouble?

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That part was more tongue in cheek. But she should play hard ball and now she will have a stash of cash to offer UNLV or maybe USU to stay in the MWC.

Rebel1986 said:

I don't think it really took a hit since most everyone thought after the game that Houston sucked.

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Fair but them losing doesn't help.

TimothyC3 said:

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

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I would have asked..

'How much you got from that PAC payout?

Insert number....

That's the poaching fee then.

Well we won't sign a scheduling agreement.

Sweet enjoy scrambling looking to fill your schedule.

It is more important how Kansas does today. Currently up 21-17 over West Virginia at West Virginia.

WarthogRebel said:

Let them rot like month old garbage.

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Hey, I hate them as much as you do.

In a perfect and just world everything goes sideways for them and they come crawling back.

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

100%

But our UH win took a big hit today with them getting rolled.

If KU holds on to beat WVU that helps.

Another undefeated G5 is Army...Weak schedule but still undefeated.

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I don't think it really took a hit since most everyone thought after the game that Houston sucked.

TimothyC3 said:

Maybe Gloria was a little smarter than she is being given credit for? I would play hard ball if I were her. Take us ALL or fork up the $115 mill. Also, I will be the new Commissioner of the NEW PAC!

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I would be curious if her putting it in the deal that she would be the hew commish would get her in legal trouble?

The PAC settled on 65 mil from the exiting 10 teams last season. The PAC had a record revenue last year. 604 million. Total payout for the 2 remains schools is over 66 mil.
The conference had a net revenue from just last year alone, of around 60 mil. This after paying all of the schools.
This does not account for any other residual revenue they have ammased over the years or the NCAAT payouts that are coming their way from last season alone, which is at least 18 million.
My point is that the PAC has some money to work with.

Rebel1986 said:

That NIU win over Notre Dame may not be aging all that well. Miami (Ohio) is currently up in the middle of the second quarter 3-0 with the ball at the 50. Miami (Ohio) 131 yards offense to Notre Dame 38 yards of offense. Miami (Ohio) is an 0-2 team. Not saying Miami (Ohio) has a legit chance to win, only that Notre Dame has a really bad offense.

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Miami (OH) had a lot of hype coming into this season. Was a G5 playoff dark horse. They are probably better than their record shows.

Doesn’t mean Notre Dame is any good. They’re not.

Rebel1986 said:

That NIU win over Notre Dame may not be aging all that well. Miami (Ohio) is currently up in the middle of the second quarter 3-0 with the ball at the 50. Miami (Ohio) 131 yards offense to Notre Dame 38 yards of offense. Miami (Ohio) is an 0-2 team

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100%

But our UH win took a big hit today with them getting rolled.

If KU holds on to beat WVU that helps.

Another undefeated G5 is Army...Weak schedule but still undefeated.

Maybe Gloria was a little smarter than she is being given credit for? I would play hard ball if I were her. Take us ALL or fork up the $115 mill. Also, I will be the new Commissioner of the NEW PAC!

TimothyC3 said:

From the Tucson news paper. Total cost and amount owed to the MWC is $115 mill.

There are two main components:

• The exit fees Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State owe the Mountain West. So long as they give official notice of departure at least one year in advance, the fee is about $18 million per school (one year of conference revenue distributions).

• The poaching penalty that was written into the 2024 scheduling agreement between the Pac-12 and Mountain West and equates to $43 million for the four schools combined.https://tucson.com/news/state-regio...cfa4fbce11.html#tracking-source=mp-in-article


In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.

Mailbag: What will it really cost the new Pac-12 to bring 4 Mountain West schools aboard?

Wilner Hotline mailbag: Addressing multiple questions about the rebooted Pac-12 Conference, including poaching fees, additional expansion candidates, what the future holds for Cal and Stanford, and more.

tucson.com

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I'm still inclined to believe it was planned pretty well.

You disrupt MWC. Get top targets.

Then turn attention to 'bigger' fish.

If you get them great.

If not you are out nothing because you still pretty much have your pick of MWC teams you want to add.

You only need 2 more.

I think if Memphis falls through,

UNLV and possibly USU are in play now.

I totally understand your point.

I just think even if PAC hits road block with Memphis there was contingency plans in place.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Toledo and NIU will be two other G5 teams to keep an eye on. They play this year so will basically eliminate one of them. Both have big P4 road wins. NIU over Notre Dame. Toledo absolutely curb stomped Miss State on the road.

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That NIU win over Notre Dame may not be aging all that well. Miami (Ohio) is currently up in the middle of the second quarter 3-0 with the ball at the 50. Miami (Ohio) 131 yards offense to Notre Dame 38 yards of offense. Miami (Ohio) is an 0-2 team. Not saying Miami (Ohio) has a legit chance to win, only that Notre Dame has a really bad offense.

Masked_rebel said:

They also are very 1 dimensional... had like 30 yards rushing last night. And while McCord can sling it, he wasn't very good last night. He had a decent stat line but outside 1 big shot- 67 uard TD pass and the final drive (60ish yards passing) it was rather ineffective...

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Whatever works for Ws is OK with me.

From the Tucson news paper. Total cost and amount owed to the MWC is $115 mill.

There are two main components:

• The exit fees Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State owe the Mountain West. So long as they give official notice of departure at least one year in advance, the fee is about $18 million per school (one year of conference revenue distributions).

• The poaching penalty that was written into the 2024 scheduling agreement between the Pac-12 and Mountain West and equates to $43 million for the four schools combined.https://tucson.com/news/state-regio...cfa4fbce11.html#tracking-source=mp-in-article


In all, the Pac-12 and its new members are staring at approximately $115 million, or $28.8 million per school.

TimothyC3 said:

But the PAC 2 should have known the precedent of SMU’s departure from the AAC and the $25 mill exit fee. How much do the departing 4 currently owe to the MWC? $60-80 mill?

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25 mil is still better than the 17 plus 12+ mill for UNLV right now.

j. spilotro said:

Houston is complete garbage. They’d finish in the lower half of the MWC.

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They seem to be one of those Yo Yo teams that is up and down. One week they play like they are top 25, the next week bottom ten!

Gator 82 said:

USC has 5* QB Julian Lewis who is the #2 rated player in ESPN’s Top 300 coming in next year. I’d say unless he transfers again, Maiava is never going to be the starter at USC and definitely not going pro.

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You could be right.
But Riley's back ups have transferred to top schools and started and then made the the NFL. Moss hasn't started until his senior year minus the bowl game last year.
Bottom line he will likely have a chance at USC or elsewhere to be starting a a power 4 school, likely a good one. Just the fact that Riley wanted him instantly raises his stock.
"Definitely not going pro" Still too early to tell.

Masked_rebel said:

And they got a NY6 invite... and they didn't play anyone in their non-conference... Vegas has a little more opportunity to schedule up.. even if it means tough road games... and it only needs to be a few years...

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

That's fair.

I just think we may be understating the impact of getting left behind and stuck in a CUSA or AAC scenario.

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Last year was a little weird where all other G5 teams had several losses. Other than Tulane, JMU, etc. To Bulls point, a 1 loss or even 2 loss team would have taken their spot. And for the playoff their ranking system is supposed to have heavy wight on strength of schedule.
Most major power teams like to duck tough noncon games. And they usually go for other P4 teams if they do. Not a lot of benefit for those teams to schedule a tough G5 that they could easily lose to.
Most of our schedule was made when we sucked or was just G5 mediocre. It may be tough to really raise that.
Even so 3 games against decent teams with 6 against scrubs makes the SOS tank.
Bottom line, we really don't want to be on the outside looking in.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Very possible.

Also Possible.

Pac got who they wanted initially.

Swung for fences. (Memphis)

Missed. (possibly)

And now revert to contingency plan.

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But the PAC 2 should have known the precedent of SMU’s departure from the AAC and the $25 mill exit fee. How much do the departing 4 currently owe to the MWC? $60-80 mill?

SMU negotiated with the AAC last year and coughed up $25 million to move to the ACC.

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Bullmastiff 1 said:

Very possible.

Also Possible.

Pac got who they wanted initially.

Swung for fences. (Memphis)

Missed. (possibly)

And now revert to contingency plan.

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Let them rot like month old garbage.