LVRebel2000 said:

Memphis and Tulane might be able to do it alone, but would they want to if they're still thinking they may get into the ACC or Big 12? It would be a tough decision taking into account the risk with the unknown media deal and all the added travel.

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There are some rumblings on the interwebs about ACC and Memphis.

I agree. A lot of risk involved.

Trust me I hope this whole thing blows up and those schools are forced to come back to MWC conference.

The thing is though, I think the ADs around the MWC look at the PAC and see it as a way to distance themselves from dead weight in terms of revenue.

I stand by Memphis and AFA are the biggest pieces.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I think Memphis could pull it off alone.

Tulane maybe.

USF nope.

Utsa could probably since travel wouldn't be all that insane. (Minus OSU/WSU)

Buyouts would be issue for UTSA I believe.

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Memphis and Tulane might be able to do it alone, but would they want to if they're still thinking they may get into the ACC or Big 12? It would be a tough decision taking into account the risk with the unknown media deal and all the added travel.

TimothyC3 said:

Off topic. I did enjoy reading the Navy defeated Memphis!

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In other G5 news NIU lost to Buffalo.

I've said this a 1000x if I am a G5 program looking to make waves I am absolutely never scheduling Army/Navy or AFA...

(Realize thats a conference game)

Those option offenses are hard to prepare for and the risk of losing to them is greater than the reward of beating them.

I feel like Kansas will fix things, but yeah, overall, the wins aren't as impressive as originally thought. Even still, winning on the road is tough, so we'll take it. Really need a win vs Fresno next week at home though as the SJSU and Syracuse games are looking tougher than we thought before the season started

Off topic. I did enjoy reading that Navy defeated Memphis! Hopefully UNLV will move into the top 25 in the AP

LVRebel2000 said:

But that would be at a factor of 4 if you get all 4 schools. Not sure that USF would be interested if they don't get the other 3 due to travel. Memphis & Tulane in a similar situation if USF doesn't go. For it to make sense regionally, they really need a min of 4 schools out that way. If you can't get 4, do you get any of them?

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I think Memphis could pull it off alone.

Tulane maybe.

USF nope.

Utsa could probably since travel wouldn't be all that insane. (Minus OSU/WSU)

Buyouts would be issue for UTSA I believe.

j. spilotro said:

Kansas and Houston suck and Utah Tech is complete garbage.

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I thought after UH gave OU a really tough game and followed up beating Rice they might be ok.

Nope..

KU has lost 3 one score games. This is an example of it all went right (last season) to it's all going wrong (this year)..

Masked_rebel said:

NIU just dropped home game vs Buffalo and Memphis just lost to Navy... man, we're sitting here holding our destiny in our hands

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AP Poll wise: Nebraska (22), NIU (23), Memphis (26), and Syracuse (27) all lost. Boise was just ahead of us at 28 and they should kill Portland State.

There’s a chance we move into the top 25 in the AP poll this week. If not, will be just on the edge.

Sucks Kansas couldnt hang on to beat WV today

NIU just dropped home game vs Buffalo and Memphis just lost to Navy... man, we're sitting here holding our destiny in our hands

dcut03 said:

25 mil is still better than the 17 plus 12+ mill for UNLV right now.

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But that would be at a factor of 4 if you get all 4 schools. Not sure that USF would be interested if they don't get the other 3 due to travel. Memphis & Tulane in a similar situation if USF doesn't go. For it to make sense regionally, they really need a min of 4 schools out that way. If you can't get 4, do you get any of them?

rickyb55 said:

Who do you talk to still?

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I didn’t go to the football game because the clouds looked like it was going to rain.

Man , I was at my reunion and there was this woman ..class of 1991 from Bonanza. I forgot her name. She was there with her boyfriend/husband in our class. I was chatting it up with her because nobody was talking to her.

I was stoned to the gills.

We also had some people who went to Garside/CMHS.

I smoked it out with our class president Dan Zavala and Adam Race. They went to Garside. They started way before I ever did..

Can’t believe they got a head start. I got a super late start on the whole marijuana/drinking thing..

Hahah, there was a cool group called “the shit headz”

Maybe it was the Reet Boyz that shot them dudes up.

It really sucked growing up during the “gang heydays”

By 1997..I remember going to Circus Circus and not getting asked “where are you from?”

Had to be a CIA psy-op when Gangster rap came out.

bcvegaspt2 said:

I still talk to some of your ex-classmates to this day.

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Who do you talk to still?

Did Jacoby Windmon make the Steelers roster?

TimothyC3 said:

I am not as confident in the PAC media deal. Because superficially it appears west coast conference media deals are just not as lucrative as conferences in the eastern and central time zones for whatever reason. Also, as Dodd from CBS noted in his discussions with media execs they felt the new PAC’s media deal wouldn’t be much more than the current MWC.

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I have read 3 different articles now all stating they think the new PAC deal will more than likely be in the 4-6 million range. If that is more accurate than 10-15 million why would any team from AAC go to the PAC?

Meister_Rebel said:

It wouldn't work that way. The withdrawal fee (poaching fee) goes up to 11 teams. Then it has to be paid within 30 days. The MWC with one team will be give 2 years to rebuild to remain a conference just like the PAC. If it can't rebuild then it dissolves.

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Probably right, and it’s kind of a moot point now anyway.

TimothyC3 said:

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

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Should have been $100 mil.

Yes, KU twitter is very dark right now...kind of like here after a basketball loss...
Memphis just got stopped on 4th and goal, down 12 midway through 4th...good for us

TimothyC3 said:

I am not as confident in the PAC media deal. Because superficially it appears west coast conference media deals are just not as lucrative as conferences in the eastern and central time zones for whatever reason. Also, as Dodd from CBS noted in his discussions with media execs they felt the new PAC’s media deal wouldn’t be much more than the current MWC.

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They aren't typically no.

But would a PAC of just these 8

OSU
WSU
BOISE
SDSU
FRESNO
CSU
UNLV
USU (latest rumor)

Bring in more money than current MWC deal of 3 million?

I believe it would.

10 million?

For me it's not so much about how much the PAC deal would be worth but how little a new MWC deal might be based on the schools we lost.

If that makes any sense.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

It would depend on media deal I think.

If current deal gets cut in half let's say, (I can't see it remaining the same) and PAC media deal doubles current MWC media package you'd make that up pretty quick no?

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I am not as confident in the PAC media deal. Because superficially it appears west coast conference media deals are just not as lucrative as conferences in the eastern and central time zones for whatever reason. Also, as Dodd from CBS noted in his discussions with media execs they felt the new PAC’s media deal wouldn’t be much more than the current MWC.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Unreal because that is a solid defense..And it's faltered late costing them games.

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Watching the game, I think it was more stupid calls by the coach that lost the game. They had a solid lead and should have won easily, but several bad coach decisions screwed them including the time out by Kansas near the end of the game. If they didn't call the time out, then West Virginia would have ended up with the field go attempt instead of time to set up plays for a TD!

Masked_rebel said:

3 weeks in a row their defense has blown a lead in the 4th...

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Unreal because that is a solid defense..And it's faltered late costing them games.

dcut03 said:

Illinois beating Nebraska is big. Helps us 2 ways since Nebraksa likely falls out if top 25.
Kansas losing does suck.
No. Ill has a small lead on Bufflao currently

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Horrible loss for Kansas and could be breaking point for them.

Season could go really south for them now.

Illinois beating Nebraska is big. Helps us 2 ways since Nebraksa likely falls out if top 25.
Kansas losing does suck.
No. Ill has a small lead on Bufflao currently

If UNLV in the PAC is 10-12 mill per year while the new MW deal is 3 mil maybe and that is with an elevated take.
Sure all of that extra buyout money would be nice, but MW will have to rebuild. The fee for elevated and FCS team is 5 mil per school now.
CUSA standardized exit fee is 3 mil, at least it was 2 years ago. But Marshall only paid 1.75.
Pac only paid got paid 65 mil total amongst all the teams but the official fee was supposed to be 100 mil I believe.
So it is safe to say the 18 mil per exiting MW sill likely be reduced to maybe 60ish percent, at least of historical precedent has anything to do with this. The poaching fee seems to be ironclad though.