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PAC Media ( 1 year deal )

dcut03
bcvegaspt2 said:
The pac may try to spin it but a lot is going to be last minute.

You can’t tell me that the incoming members are excited that the tv contracts aren’t completed yet. “Let’s do a one-year deal then we can sign something long-term next year.”

Only problem is that next year the pac is up against it, will have to overpay for an eighth team, and can get lowballed and have to say ‘thank you’ since time will be of the essence.

Obviously, this didn’t go as planned for them.
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They don't have an 8th member, so they aren't going to announce their new deal yet. It makes sense. I'm sure they have their partners worked out and have a valuation on their 7 teams right now. I think it will be CW, ESPN, and maybe CBS. Though I wouldn't be surprised if FOX is there too, simply since FOX have been playing home games for them last year and this year.

I think they are waiting to get clarification with these lawsuits and will take another run at UNLV, which is probably their number 1 target right now. No idea if that is even possible, as I am skeptical. But I think they are least trying.
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PAC Media ( 1 year deal )

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The CW will probably be the equivalent to what CBS sports which is about 3-4 games per week. They would have to expand some, but they have already been doing 2-3 games a week between the PAC and the ACC and the PAC games have performed better. I would imagine if they are going to be a primary partner with the PAC, they would get preference and potentially stop playing the leftover ACC games.
The other games will go to the ESPN and Fox I would imagine. Probably the marquee games played late on the west coast.

The rest will be on the PAC 12 network or some sort of streaming platform, they probably utilize the MW model where the school basically produces those games themselves under the conference network banner.

So @RebelinWA, did you expect 431k average for the CW? So you are saying that CBS sportsnetwork (not counting any game that gets on CBS proper) is somewhere between 50-100k views and 400-700K? That is a pretty big range.
I know you can't disclose things, but I have a hard time believing that the average MW on CBS sports network is anything over 150K, and I think that is being very generous

There are any factors that contribute to ratings. A big part is the teams that are on it, but the channel also plays a huge role, accessibility is huge. The CW had a very promising start, with the PAC teams outperforming their other offerings on average.

I have no doubt that many MW teams have similar numbers, because the MW is on CBS sports Network, which just isn't going to pull in big ratings due to availability.

There is a reason that CBS doesn't put any of March Madness on CBS Sports network. Their college sports specific network, it is because it has a poor subscriber base. They would rather put it on TruTV of all channels.

I think the CW has a better reach than CBS sports network, as it is often bundled with an extra "sports Pack" with TV providers, while the CW is a standard channel for most providers.

So I think that the same school will generate more views on the CW than CBS sports network. More views equals higher media deals.

I think there is a big reason why the PAC didn't want to merge with the MW, because they knew they could make more without the merger. So much more that poaching from the MW with all the fees could be worth it in the long run.
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PAC Media ( 1 year deal )

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LocoRebel said:
Cracks me up to see Gould being praised by some of those folks. Especially Oregon State fans. They're a really special bunch...
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Tell me about it. Here we are almost in Mid-May and no 2026 media news, an unknown $ deal for 2025, and no 8th member. No idea where we are on the lawsuit mediation. The MW should have and still should take their chances in court IMHO.
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45 min Pastner Interview

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I interviewed CJP when he was at Georgia Tech and I can honestly tell you the enthusiasm is real and legit. He called the house around 8:30pm and I wasn't prepared for an interview that late so my wife had to stall while I got ready LOL. He said "man you must have a huge house" 🤣 When he got this job I sent him a quick text congratulating him and he replied a few days later. Just a real genuine guy who can get this ship righted. I'm actually working on a piece about the roster and if he can get them to gel, the talent is there to be really good IMO (but yes they could use 1 more big).
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Woodard to seahawks

RebelinWA said:
If I recall, he ran a 4.88 on his pro day. He will remain one of my favorite Rebels.

To your point, only 7.3% of high school players make it to the NCAA.
Only 1.6% of all NCAA football players make it to a camp. Its still a great achievement.

Hopefully he sees some love at the Arena level or in Canada if another team doesn't give him a shot. If not, if I recall he wants to be a dentist. Not a bad career choice at all.
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Maybe a practice squad guy too- good money
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45 min Pastner Interview

Boston Rebel 2
dcut03 said:
Dude hasn't had a drop of alcohol, coffee, or even any carbonated beverage? In his entire life!?!

Lol I have no problem with him being a nerd. I do like his enthusiasm, and I think UNLV does need someone like that to sell the program, raise funds, and yes convince players to come here.

I do like the fact that his has been scouting talent since puberty. And that he has been prepping to be a coach basically since then.

But the actual substance of what he is saying is a bit hollow to me right now. We need to "run" and "play hard" etc. That has been what we have heard, and the ones that have actually tried to push tempo and focus on defense, which has been most of our coaches, have had stale ineffective half court offenses, which is 95% of the game, and relied on trying to force turnovers, which have led to more easy baskets once our tricks have been figured out.

Personally I want a defense that primarily is built from stopping the other team from scoring, not getting a turnover. I want an offense, that prioritizes creating good looks and easy buckets, not relying on out talenting the other team by trying to beat guys one on one relying on difficult shots.
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lol that is nice and all but he could snort blow out of the ass crack of a hooker as long as he wins basketball games.
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Woodard to seahawks

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Hoopsnstuff said:
I think theres a zero percent chance he affiliates with Vegas/UNLV moving forward. Scherer and Odom are gone.
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That was my consideration. He could be a GA lots of places, but there are 3 reasonable options that come to mind for him to start his coaching career, should it come to that.

The place he started and wanted to be as a youngster (Arkansas);
The place he got to be a star under the coach who wanted him (UNLV);
The place where that same coach who wanted him is coaching at (Purdue).

Makes all the sense in the world for him to be around Purdue. I could see him being a GA there if Odom and Scherer are around a while. Then if/when they split off (Scherer goes to be a HC?) the immediate window of opportunity opens for Woodard to be a full time assistant as a non DC LB coach with either guy.
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Woodard to seahawks

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Hoopsnstuff said:
I think theres a zero percent chance he affiliates with Vegas/UNLV moving forward. Scherer and Odom are gone.
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I don't know if I can call it zero percent. He still has friends on the staff and on the roster. The fanbase has loved him, and that's a little hard to forget. With that being said, I do think he'll take another stab at football as a coach. Him and Catalon will eventually end up on Odoms or Scherer's staff.
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45 min Pastner Interview

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dcut03 said:
Lol. Not trying to be critical of what he said. He is actually saying the things that Rebel fans like to hear, so I get it.

Kevin didn't talk about it much, but actually had the same approach. Prioritized defense over offense, specifically a defense that prioritized creating turnovers. It worked for about a half of a season against poor competition.

I like the Pastner hire more and more over time, I really do. And I wasn't super down on him in the beginning.

I just think what he is saying is the same stuff we have been hearing for years now. That doesn't matter much, and if people are getting excited than that is great and what he is doing is working. I ain't mad at it, just think it is peculiar, that is all.
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Woodard to seahawks

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RebelinWA said:
If I recall, he ran a 4.88 on his pro day. He will remain one of my favorite Rebels.

To your point, only 7.3% of high school players make it to the NCAA.
Only 1.6% of all NCAA football players make it to a camp. Its still a great achievement.

Hopefully he sees some love at the Arena level or in Canada if another team doesn't give him a shot. If not, if I recall he wants to be a dentist. Not a bad career choice at all.
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Great achievement nonetheless. I do not think that his playing days are over if he chooses to keep pursuing this sport. Woodard is one of the best leaders UNLV has ever seen and was a hell of a player. He will be good at whatever he chooses to pursue.
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Woodard to seahawks

RebelinWA
Hoopsnstuff said:
Cut within a week shows how tough it is but also how slow he is and its more of the latter. Looked discombobulated the first couple of days. Maybe he is a product of knowing Odom's defense and there was no one better to play. Great college player. Hope Woodard catches on somewhere.
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If I recall, he ran a 4.88 on his pro day. He will remain one of my favorite Rebels.

To your point, only 7.3% of high school players make it to the NCAA.
Only 1.6% of all NCAA football players make it to a camp. Its still a great achievement.

Hopefully he sees some love at the Arena level or in Canada if another team doesn't give him a shot. If not, if I recall he wants to be a dentist. Not a bad career choice at all.
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Woodard to seahawks

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ricovegas said:
Wow, that was quick. You're basically going through drills basic training. Just tells you how difficult it is to make it. His agent if he has one, has got to work the phones and get him another chance. A real chance.
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Cut within a week shows how tough it is but also how slow he is and its more of the latter. Looked discombobulated the first couple of days. Maybe he is a product of knowing Odom's defense and there was no one better to play. Great college player. Hope Woodard catches on somewhere.
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45 min Pastner Interview

dcut03
RebelScrub said:
Wut a killjoy..
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Lol. Not trying to be critical of what he said. He is actually saying the things that Rebel fans like to hear, so I get it.

Kevin didn't talk about it much, but actually had the same approach. Prioritized defense over offense, specifically a defense that prioritized creating turnovers. It worked for about a half of a season against poor competition.

I like the Pastner hire more and more over time, I really do. And I wasn't super down on him in the beginning.

I just think what he is saying is the same stuff we have been hearing for years now. That doesn't matter much, and if people are getting excited than that is great and what he is doing is working. I ain't mad at it, just think it is peculiar, that is all.
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45 min Pastner Interview

RebelScrub
dcut03 said:
Dude hasn't had a drop of alcohol, coffee, or even any carbonated beverage? In his entire life!?!

Lol I have no problem with him being a nerd. I do like his enthusiasm, and I think UNLV does need someone like that to sell the program, raise funds, and yes convince players to come here.

I do like the fact that his has been scouting talent since puberty. And that he has been prepping to be a coach basically since then.

But the actual substance of what he is saying is a bit hollow to me right now. We need to "run" and "play hard" etc. That has been what we have heard, and the ones that have actually tried to push tempo and focus on defense, which has been most of our coaches, have had stale ineffective half court offenses, which is 95% of the game, and relied on trying to force turnovers, which have led to more easy baskets once our tricks have been figured out.

Personally I want a defense that primarily is built from stopping the other team from scoring, not getting a turnover. I want an offense, that prioritizes creating good looks and easy buckets, not relying on out talenting the other team by trying to beat guys one on one relying on difficult shots.
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Wut a killjoy..
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45 min Pastner Interview

dcut03
bcvegaspt2 said:
Bro, I’m a bigger nerd than Dave Rice at times.

Pastner is a salesman who coaches basketball. That’s not a bad thing. Every profession involves sales: medical needs to convince patients to trust them, lawyers need to convince a judge/jury, financial professionals need to convince @reagan21 to invest in bonds and whole life, and so on.

He’s convincing coaches and players to join him. He is also generating some buzz for the program. I’m good with him (until he loses his first game and then I’ll want him canned).
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Dude hasn't had a drop of alcohol, coffee, or even any carbonated beverage? In his entire life!?!

Lol I have no problem with him being a nerd. I do like his enthusiasm, and I think UNLV does need someone like that to sell the program, raise funds, and yes convince players to come here.

I do like the fact that his has been scouting talent since puberty. And that he has been prepping to be a coach basically since then.

But the actual substance of what he is saying is a bit hollow to me right now. We need to "run" and "play hard" etc. That has been what we have heard, and the ones that have actually tried to push tempo and focus on defense, which has been most of our coaches, have had stale ineffective half court offenses, which is 95% of the game, and relied on trying to force turnovers, which have led to more easy baskets once our tricks have been figured out.

Personally I want a defense that primarily is built from stopping the other team from scoring, not getting a turnover. I want an offense, that prioritizes creating good looks and easy buckets, not relying on out talenting the other team by trying to beat guys one on one relying on difficult shots.
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