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What’s up with the G5-PAC?

The pac media deal looks like it will be announced end of March. Goes with what The Big Mountain (TBM) is saying that TX ST will also be announced end of March. Additional expansions to follow.

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I hate “record” as a measurement because there are different strengths and they can vary wildly. 17, 18, 19 wins with a super tough schedule is better than 20 with a moderate schedule or 22 with a Marv schedule.

With this years, last years, year before schedule /conference, anything below 20 is failure.

It’s a really bad 4 year tenure, it rivals Menzies’ tenure, which was worse than even Rollies.
The way I see it Menzies was better in performance. I think conference wins is one of the best measures of a coaches performance. You can mess with OOC, but in conference is similar year to year.

Menzies Conference wins: Y1 - 4, Y2 - 8, Y3 - 11.

CKK Conference wins: Y1 - 10, Y2 - 7, Y3 - 12, Y4 - 8?

Menzies increased his wins - CKK up and down.

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That can be awful if the team goes on a miracle run in the conference tournament.
Personally, I don't see that even being an issue. Four seasons of little more than ineptitude far outweighs bad performances by 3-4 opponents in a conference tournament. And make no mistake, this team isn't good enough to beat top 5 teams in this league (even if it's not good) without those teams playing poorly.

What’s up with the G5-PAC?

How much higher would the media deal be for MW if the traitors returned. OSU & WSU are worthless when they arent playing USC, UCLA, ARIZONA, Utah etc. they will slide into mediocrity.

I don't know...

OSU and WSU did better TV numbers than majority of the MWC.

Had there been a reverse merger I think 7/8 mill was on the table probably.

Great for rest of conference as it would have been a bump. Bad for OSU/WSU because both are use to over 20 million per. Not so Bueno for Boise State who would be breaking even with the sweetheart deal they got.

What’s up with the G5-PAC?

Honestly, I don't think our deal gets that much better with them back. We'd be looking at a factor of hundreds of thousands of difference to the pay out per school. OSU and WSU do have value. Yes, their numbers were inflated by the rest of the former pack. But they wouldn't subtract from our media value.
I am not so sure I would agree so much with the value of OSU and WSU, they appear to quickly be going down hill, and my expectation they would be a middle of the pack basketball and football program in the MWC in a couple of years.

Kruger: 22 Home Defeats

Coach Kruger somehow has managed at least 22 HOME losses in his brief 3 and a half year stint. That’s hard to do if you tried. And also, Henley is our #1 backup point guard?? He can’t dribble, can’t penetrate, can’t dish, and can’t push the ball upcourt. Mindboggling that this is best option. Going to a game and watching the Rebs is about as fun as going to the dentist. We play THE most boring basketball, it’s sickening. Thanks Kevin.
As much as he is paid to coach, I have no issue with openly attacking him, even on the UNLV basketball Facebook page. Considering the players not only get all expenses covered, including their education, and NIL money, I also have no issue with openly criticizing them!

What’s up with the G5-PAC?

How much higher would the media deal be for MW if the traitors returned. OSU & WSU are worthless when they arent playing USC, UCLA, ARIZONA, Utah etc. they will slide into mediocrity.
Honestly, I don't think our deal gets that much better with them back. We'd be looking at a factor of hundreds of thousands of difference to the pay out per school. OSU and WSU do have value. Yes, their numbers were inflated by the rest of the former pack. But they wouldn't subtract from our media value.
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Kruger: 22 Home Defeats

Coach Kruger somehow has managed at least 22 HOME losses in his brief 3 and a half year stint. That’s hard to do if you tried. And also, Henley is our #1 backup point guard?? He can’t dribble, can’t penetrate, can’t dish, and can’t push the ball upcourt. Mindboggling that this is best option. Going to a game and watching the Rebs is about as fun as going to the dentist. We play THE most boring basketball, it’s sickening. Thanks Kevin.
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OT: OFF TOPIC Response to Scrub

Scrub,
You asked me some non-sports questions a few weeks ago and I could not find the old thread. I apologize for the delayed reasons as I have been very busy. Here goes my attempt at a response.

1. I live in Salt Lake City but have never actually visited BYU. I attended some Utah home games against BYU in the past. You mentioned some dairy product from Provo.
2. I am not a big dairy person, but I sometimes eat/drink milk, yogurt, kefir and cheese. I prefer Gouda and Muenster cheese.
3. You asked a really good question about some BYU or Provo cream thing but I don't know the specifics whether that is a regular milk, a sweet cream, a mixed cream derived from whey and milk or an ice cream. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein of blessed memory made a religious ruling that regular unflavored milk from the US, due to US standards amd regulation on food, could be eaten/drank by Jews without needing a formal kosher certification for a hechsher. I accept this leniency but Chassidic Jews and many stricter orthodox Jews will only drink milk that is both certified kosher and Cholev Yisroel. Processed dairy such as cheeses, yogurt, whey protein, ice cream etc must have a reliable kosher certification. With cream, it gets very confusing. If it was pure sweet cream, it would not need a certification, acvording to my understandong of Rabbi Feinstein's ruling. However, how do you know something is pure sweat cream and not mixed with processed whey? Therefore, in many cases, I would probably not drink cream that was not marked kosher.
4. Here is a link to many things you never really wanted to know about kosher dietary laws for dairy on when kosher certifications are neded, which is a longer answer to your question. Stam refers to regular milk that modern orthodox Jews like me could drink without a kosher certification, if we follow Rabbi Moshe Feinstein's lenient ruling. Cholev Yisrael refers to milk and other dairy that follows the stricter rules. https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/retail-dairy-products-whats-hows-and-whys/
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Fresno St holds out players; Sources Confirm Betting Inquiry



Zaon Collins and others.
Wow, UNLV really dodged a bullet by not getting Collins.

Big Ten media days coming to Las Vegas

Wynn was known in the 70s but agree Tark was more popular. Wynn hated Tark because he wanted to change the Las Vegas image from being seedy and mobster controlled to something more corporate and clean cut because he knew there was money to be made by doing that and he would be primary beneficiary of that. The Mirage was the first casino to really start the change from the old Vegas to the new Vegas and Wynn felt Tark and his reputation got in the middle of that. Not defending Wynn in any way, he was a total ass hat, but just explaining his thinking.
My family was heavily involved in the upper levels of the casino industry, and almost everyone in the 70's and prior had some connection or involvement with the mob. Many of my friends in high school had family members directly tied to local mob leaders. Where do you think Wynn got the money to buy into the Golden Nugget from being a dealer with very little money of his own?

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And UNLV is doing a good job on him. That’s why it’s tight.

They are system driven, so is BSU, AFA, and USU. UNM is more by way of talent, that’s what UNLV and SDSU try to do as well, more reliant on individual ability.
I think these are a few good prop bets for UNLV for next season:

1) They will have a new basketball coach.

2) They will finish with a better record than this year.

3) The new coach will not be a past UNLV player.

Does anyone else have prop bets for next season?
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I asked grok about my coaching wish list and it gave me a nice summary

Craig Smith coming here with a solid gig at Utah? Wish it was true, but no way he leaves that for Unlv
In case he gets fired. I have no insider knowledge. I included good coaches that might get fired (do not wish that upon them or their family) but would potentially be a good fit at UNLV. I don't expect Terry or Smith to get fired, but if they lose a few down the stretch who knows what will happen.
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What’s up with the G5-PAC?

PAC will likely add Texas State or North Texas.

Maybe NMSU.

All would be major disappointment from the original Memphis/Tulane plan.

That said they will still land at a higher media deal than MWC. How much more is the question.
How much higher would the media deal be for MW if the traitors returned. OSU & WSU are worthless when they arent playing USC, UCLA, ARIZONA, Utah etc. they will slide into mediocrity.

I asked grok about my coaching wish list and it gave me a nice summary

Choosing the "best fit" for UNLV's basketball head coach depends on what the program needs most right now—whether it’s rebuilding stability, recruiting prowess, proven success, or a connection to the region. Let’s break down each candidate based on their track records and how they align with UNLV’s current situation as of February 22, 2025.

Mark Turgeon has a solid resume, with over 20 years of head coaching experience at Wichita State, Texas A&M, and Maryland. He’s taken teams to the NCAA Tournament 11 times, including a Sweet 16 run with Maryland in 2016. His overall record is 476-322 (.596), showing consistency, but he stepped away from coaching in 2021 after a rocky start at Maryland. UNLV could benefit from his experience and ability to compete in tough conferences, but his time away raises questions about rustiness or hunger to return to a program that’s been inconsistent.

Craig Smith is a rising star, currently at Utah after stints at Utah State and South Dakota State. He’s got a 258-134 (.658) record and has turned programs around fast—like taking Utah State from a projected ninth-place finish to a Mountain West title in 2019. He’s familiar with the region, knows how to win in the Mountain West, and has three NCAA appearances. His energy and recruiting ability could spark UNLV, though luring him from a stable Utah gig might take serious effort.

Rodney Terry, now at Texas, stepped up big after Chris Beard’s departure in 2022-23, leading the Longhorns to the Elite Eight. His head coaching record (211-197, .517) spans Fresno State and UTEP, with three NCAA trips. He’s gritty, knows the West, and can handle pressure, but his middling win percentage suggests he’s not a slam-dunk program-changer. UNLV might get a steady hand, but not necessarily a transformative one.

Mike Brown is an intriguing wildcard—not the NBA coach, but likely the lesser-known candidate tied to this context. Without a clear college hoops profile matching the others, I’ll assume this is a mix-up or a stretch. If it’s meant to be someone like the Sacramento Kings’ Mike Brown, his NBA success (currently 111-73) is impressive, but he hasn’t coached college since the 90s. UNLV would be a gamble on NBA cachet over relevant experience.

Joe Pasternack, at UC Santa Barbara, has a 141-65 (.684) record there since 2017, with four NCAA appearances and a knack for winning 20+ games annually. He’s got West Coast ties (assistant at Arizona and Cal) and thrives in mid-major settings, which fits UNLV’s current Mountain West reality. His earlier stint at New Orleans was shaky (38-54), but he’s grown since. He’s a strong fit for recruiting and consistency, though he’s untested at a higher-profile job.

Josh Pastner’s tenure at Georgia Tech (183-173, .514) included one NCAA trip in 2017, but he struggled to sustain success after a solid run at Memphis (167-73). He’s young, energetic, and a recruiting ace—key for UNLV’s talent pipeline—but his recent 66-100 ACC record raises doubts about elevating a program like UNLV, which craves stability after six coaches since 2016.

Richard Pitino, now at New Mexico, has a 218-181 (.546) record across FIU, Minnesota, and UNM. He’s got two NCAA appearances, an NIT title, and Mountain West familiarity, going 14-0 to start 2022-23 at UNM. As Rick Pitino’s son, he’s got pedigree and buzz, but his up-and-down Minnesota years (141-140) show he’s not flawless. UNLV could leverage his regional ties and name recognition, though he’s locked into a rising UNM squad.

For UNLV, the priority seems to be a coach who brings stability, wins in the Mountain West, and rekindles fan excitement after years of turnover and no NCAA berths since 2013. Craig Smith stands out—he’s proven he can dominate this conference, recruits well, and has the momentum to jumpstart a stagnant program. Pasternack is a close second, offering similar regional fit and a higher win rate, but less splash. Pitino could work if he’s poachable, blending experience with hype. Turgeon’s a safe veteran pick, but less dynamic today. Terry, Pastner, and Brown (if college-relevant) lag behind due to fit or question marks.

Craig Smith feels like the best match—his Mountain West mastery and upward trajectory align with UNLV’s desperate need for a fresh, winning identity. What do you think UNLV’s top priority should be here?
Craig Smith coming here with a solid gig at Utah? Wish it was true, but no way he leaves that for Unlv
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