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OT: Bill would give UNM, NMSU athletics $2.5M each to fund NIL

If you asked me about this bill 10 years ago, I probably would have opposed it....but...I'm a bit indifferent. I can see both arguments
I can't see tax payers being told they are going to help make mid level teenage athletes millionaires when many of them already struggle to pay for college for themselves or their kids!

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

There is more smoke to UNLV moving up to a P4 than people think. No, we aren’t SEC bound. But we are on the radar for the Big12 and ACC. However to your point it is unlikely we move before 2031-2032 unless something drastic happens with the ACC or Big12 that forces them to expand past their current footprint.

The amount we spend will be secondary to a media partner. They care more about market size and penetration within that media market. Having a historically well traveled fan base helps too, but the previous two metrics are two big things that matter the most.

While we lack the later, we do the well with the first two. Las Vegas punches above its weight for the size of our market. We are above Oklahoma city, Memphis, and New Orleans. But we have above average market penetration. Having 40m people traveling to Vegas a year helps tremendously. An advertisement seen in Vegas doesn’t necessarily mean its limited to only the Vegas population.

While we lack a fan base that travels in any meaningful numbers; we can point to Iowa State, Syracuse, and hopefully UCLA to show that our stadium looks good for TV. It helps that LSU / USC last season had an attendance larger than the Super Bowl a few months earlier.

You are correct power conferences do not need UNLV to use the stadium. But a trip to Vegas would be cheaper to haul a team + gear to and more exciting to any other p4 fanbase than Boise, OSU, WSU, CSU, SDSU, and USU.
Not sure why you would include New Orleans, which is a fairly small market?

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

I know they did, but even in the clarification they didn't talk about the windfall of money we are about to receive with this great new GOR situation. They mostly talked about private donations, because this is what truly funded the contracts.

Now yes, after this is said and done, I think the traitorous 5 will be in a better spot than UNLV. But I am not 100% sold on that believe or not. My thing is why sign the GOR when you did? A lot has transpired from agreeing to it to the actually signing of it. See if anything gets settled with arbitration, or at least see where that is going.

Why sign a document that has extra language that will lock you into this conference even if we get zero extra dollars? What's the rush?

We have power in the MW, we are the bellcow now. We didn't have to sign that thing, especially as written. Especially when we have the PAC that would do parades in the streets throughout their towns if we were to join them right now. We could probably leave for free at this point. We had leverage

Don't think so? By adding us the payout per team could jump nearly a million vs taking UNLV over a team like a Texas State or Sac State that brings less than 500k media value to the table. It also raises the the PAC's profile significantly, especially if they don't have to take a flyer on a team that brings little value right now with media and competitiveness.

That is why I am frustrated. Just giving in when we did. Especially because I think there is a path to being in a better competitive conference and get more money.

Because the amounts are undetermined. Therefore not worth bringing up hypotheticals. (Lawsuits)

Your math ain't mathing. UNLV would not bump the PAC media deal by a million dollars.

Lets say PAC has an 8 million AAV with current 8 teams.

So basically the conference is worth 64 million to a media partner.

PAC adds Texas Stare who is valued at 2 million even. PAC gives them a full share.
AAV falls to 7.3 per school.

How much do you really think UNLV is worth.

Lets go bonkers and say UNLV is worth more than anybody in the PAC at 10 million. (They aren't)
You add them to the equation PAC media deal goes to 74 mil with an AAV of 8.3 million.

For UNLV to move the PAC media valuation a full million dollars in that scenario they'd need a valuation of 16-17 million on their own.

If UNLV was worth 17 million right now we'd be in the Big12 not the MWC.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

We are locked into the MW through 2032.
Even if you think we are getting a P5 invite, which Im very confident we wont, both because our school wont spend the neccesary money too, and the P5 dont need UNLV to use Vegas, its not happening before 2031-2032
There is more smoke to UNLV moving up to a P4 than people think. No, we aren’t SEC bound. But we are on the radar for the Big12 and ACC. However to your point it is unlikely we move before 2031-2032 unless something drastic happens with the ACC or Big12 that forces them to expand past their current footprint.

The amount we spend will be secondary to a media partner. They care more about market size and penetration within that media market. Having a historically well traveled fan base helps too, but the previous two metrics are two big things that matter the most.

While we lack the later, we do the well with the first two. Las Vegas punches above its weight for the size of our market. We are above Oklahoma city, Memphis, and New Orleans. But we have above average market penetration. Having 40m people traveling to Vegas a year helps tremendously. An advertisement seen in Vegas doesn’t necessarily mean its limited to only the Vegas population.

While we lack a fan base that travels in any meaningful numbers; we can point to Iowa State, Syracuse, and hopefully UCLA to show that our stadium looks good for TV. It helps that LSU / USC last season had an attendance larger than the Super Bowl a few months earlier.

You are correct power conferences do not need UNLV to use the stadium. But a trip to Vegas would be cheaper to haul a team + gear to and more exciting to any other p4 fanbase than Boise, OSU, WSU, CSU, SDSU, and USU.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

UNLV immediately clarified Harper's comments.
I know they did, but even in the clarification they didn't talk about the windfall of money we are about to receive with this great new GOR situation. They mostly talked about private donations, because this is what truly funded the contracts.

Now yes, after this is said and done, I think the traitorous 5 will be in a better spot than UNLV. But I am not 100% sold on that believe or not. My thing is why sign the GOR when you did? A lot has transpired from agreeing to it to the actually signing of it. See if anything gets settled with arbitration, or at least see where that is going.

Why sign a document that has extra language that will lock you into this conference even if we get zero extra dollars? What's the rush?

We have power in the MW, we are the bellcow now. We didn't have to sign that thing, especially as written. Especially when we have the PAC that would do parades in the streets throughout their towns if we were to join them right now. We could probably leave for free at this point. We had leverage

Don't think so? By adding us the payout per team could jump nearly a million vs taking UNLV over a team like a Texas State or Sac State that brings less than 500k media value to the table. It also raises the the PAC's profile significantly, especially if they don't have to take a flyer on a team that brings little value right now with media and competitiveness.

That is why I am frustrated. Just giving in when we did. Especially because I think there is a path to being in a better competitive conference and get more money.

OT: Bill would give UNM, NMSU athletics $2.5M each to fund NIL

I am not saying whether either of you are wrong for your thoughts on this issue. However, could it be that there are tremendous revenue potential and jobs directly related to Las Vegas becoming a sports mecca? There was a 2022 white paper published by UNLV on this very topic and in 2022 there was over $1.8 Billion in revenue was raised from out of towners related to sporting events. I have no clue as to what is related to the Aces winning the WNBA championship. But IMO this is much bigger than the ACES and directly impacts UNLV and the push to gain entry into the Big 12 and why it appears LVCVA and The Resort Ass. are getting on board with UNLV football. The Raiders and UNLV football will generate a lot of $$$$ on alternating weekends if UNLV is a member of the Big 12.

I don't know the answer. But I have lived in Vegas over 40 years and watched all of the changes. Ultimately, the industry leaders appear to get it right despite the growth of gaming across the country and Vegas just keeps rolling!

The UNLV white paper: https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/unlv-researchers-explore-thriving-las-vegas-sports-economy
I hate your answer and, despite my hatred of using taxes to fund this, I know that it costs money to make money. I'm conceding that I think that you're correct about UNLV, Raiders, and VGK. (I don't think this about the Aces... maybe the A's will make more sense to me once I see it in action).
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OT: Bill would give UNM, NMSU athletics $2.5M each to fund NIL

I don’t agree with that either.
I am not saying whether either of you are wrong for your thoughts on this issue. However, could it be that there are tremendous revenue potential and jobs directly related to Las Vegas becoming a sports mecca? There was a 2022 white paper published by UNLV on this very topic and in 2022 there was over $1.8 Billion in revenue was raised from out of towners related to sporting events. I have no clue as to what is related to the Aces winning the WNBA championship. But IMO this is much bigger than the ACES and directly impacts UNLV and the push to gain entry into the Big 12 and why it appears LVCVA and The Resort Ass. are getting on board with UNLV football. The Raiders and UNLV football will generate a lot of $$$$ on alternating weekends if UNLV is a member of the Big 12.

I don't know the answer. But I have lived in Vegas over 40 years and watched all of the changes. Ultimately, the industry leaders appear to get it right despite the growth of gaming across the country and Vegas just keeps rolling!

The UNLV white paper: https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/unlv-researchers-explore-thriving-las-vegas-sports-economy

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

We are locked into the MW through 2032.
Even if you think we are getting a P5 invite, which Im very confident we wont, both because our school wont spend the neccesary money too, and the P5 dont need UNLV to use Vegas, its not happening before 2031-2032

You said yourself we are likely ending up in the PAC in five years anyway.

So why spend millions now to do it vs opt out in 2032 for free.

The reality of the situation was UNLV didn't have the money to hire a Dan Mullen or try and re up Odom and pay exit fees to join the PAC.

You want to join the PAC..Ok. But it's probably Nick Rolovich at HC and not Dan Mullen.

UNLV's NIL collective is as strong as anybody in the MWC or the new PAC. And as long as that continues UNLV should be able to weather the next few years.
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