Bullmastiff 1 said:

Screw it.

MWC go crazy.

AFA likely out regardless.

Go get NMSU, LIBERTY, Texas State, North Texas, Rice, Send overtures to Memphis, Tulane and maybe Tulsa? as well.

Create an East/West thing.

I don't know I can't see a viable path of keeping MWC at its current status.

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Build a tiered G5 super conference... There are some heavies like UNLV that could get a bigger payout advantage like Boise had over MWC. then maybe a mid-tier of programs that are your typical G5 mid-major schools, and then a lower tier of emerging schools that want a slightly higher cut of the $ but arent ready for the big leagues yet market wise that get more than say the CUSA payout but less than what MWC schools currently make. Then we dominate and level up in a few years when Big 12 finally decides to go to 20 teams...

dcut03 said:

The current AAC was able to mitgate their hit to their contract when they lost Houston, Cincy, SMU, UCF, etc by offering the replacement schools less money. So the leftovers were able to keep their 7 mil a piece.

However, they are on shaky ground, because Memphis and Tulane are on deck for being poached again. If that were to happen, the remaining schools would not be able to afford their 7 mil a year, so that will likely drop as well

Also, I think it is reasonable to infer that if the PAC is going after Memphis and Tulane, they are expecting offer more than the 7 mil they are currently getting. Right? It would not be worth it just to match, they would have to exceed that number especially considering travel.

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You would think that's the case unless you were those 2 programs and worried that your conference was one raid away from looking like the MWC is right now... Falling apart without a real outlook for improvement.
I do wonder as the pieces move again, do existing TV contracts get pulled? Like the AAC's contract was written when there was more heavy hitters there, now you pull away their top brands why would the existing contract not be required to be revisited. Is 7 million dollars even a realistic expectation for say UNLV or an AFA to be looking at moving over there if the true brands responsible for that number to begin with are gone?

Screw it.

MWC go crazy.

AFA likely out regardless.

Go get NMSU, LIBERTY, Texas State, North Texas, Rice, Send overtures to Memphis, Tulane and maybe Tulsa? as well.

Create an East/West thing.

I don't know I can't see a viable path of keeping MWC at its current status.

dcut03 said:

The current AAC was able to mitgate their hit to their contract when they lost Houston, Cincy, SMU, UCF, etc by offering the replacement schools less money. So the leftovers were able to keep their 7 mil a piece.

However, they are on shaky ground, because Memphis and Tulane are on deck for being poached again. If that were to happen, the remaining schools would not be able to afford their 7 mil a year, so that will likely drop as well

Also, I think it is reasonable to infer that if the PAC is going after Memphis and Tulane, they are expecting offer more than the 7 mil they are currently getting. Right? It would not be worth it just to match, they would have to exceed that number especially considering travel.

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Dang, did I leave it unclear again?

I get pac 12 and memphis+tulane mutual interest and support it. I'd prefer they go after Texas State and utsa, too, if I were Mem/Tule. I meant those 5 schools I listed I do not want to be in new pac 12, but are current AAC members. The lack of regionality is not sustainable for one or two outliers in g6, imi. When it comes to money, p4 can do it because of financial offset of media deals. If pac 12 ends up >$10m, I can definitely see it making sense for 2-4 AAC/non-western schools making the move.

If that happens, it neutered the AAC to the point where it isn't different than CUSA or SBC.

LocoRebel said:

Oh my point was if I'm Tulane, going to need pac 12 isn't much different than being in current AAC. I absolutely do not want those schools I listed in New pac 12. Sorry for clarity issues!

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The current AAC was able to mitgate their hit to their contract when they lost Houston, Cincy, SMU, UCF, etc by offering the replacement schools less money. So the leftovers were able to keep their 7 mil a piece.

However, they are on shaky ground, because Memphis and Tulane are on deck for being poached again. If that were to happen, the remaining schools would not be able to afford their 7 mil a year, so that will likely drop as well

Also, I think it is reasonable to infer that if the PAC is going after Memphis and Tulane, they are expecting offer more than the 7 mil they are currently getting. Right? It would not be worth it just to match, they would have to exceed that number especially considering travel.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

It would likely be a contingency. First 3/5 years half share.

The flipside of that is attendance for both basketball and football would Sky rocket. You are still at a disadvantage in terms of media share that's true.

But.

I have to imagine having B12 attached to UNLV might get more boosters to step up. Might also encourage more entities to kick into NIL funds.

There is a real possibility that it ends up neither of those and instead the AAC.

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People keep talking about media markets as they are and the smart media people behind the scenes influencing all these decisions, if they are that smart (and i believe some of them are), then they’d understand the value of adding a decent media market along with a better overall brand and how that elevates the “decent” media market.

Does that put things over the top for someone like the B12? Maybe not, but…

Any road game at UNLV suddenly becomes THE road game to attend for opponents. Not ideal if you’re UNLV but you’re happy to sell the seats. More people in stadiums creates better TV. Add to that the influence a conference like the B12 would have to actually create more eyeballs on TVs within that “decent” market… you think UNLV vs BYU, Utah, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, or almost any other opponent in the B12 wouldn’t pretty much double viewership within that “decent” market? When UNLV stinks who the hell cares about Utah State, San Jose State, CSU, pretty much everyone but Boise?

I just find it hard to believe that none of that would be considered.

I’d also toss in that right now the hierarchy of conferences goes SEC and B10… then B12… then ACC. When the SEC and B10 start looking to expand again they’ll be coming after more B12 schools than ACC… adding a couple teams from the west makes sense to guard against future defections.

LVRebel2000 said:

I guess it depends on what they're looking to do. Do they really want to create a new conference that spans from Washington to Florida? Maybe they do, but I was thinking they would try to stay somewhat more regional.

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Oh my point was if I'm Tulane, going to need pac 12 isn't much different than being in current AAC. I absolutely do not want those schools I listed in New pac 12. Sorry for clarity issues!

Loyal Coug1 said:

Says who? I have read nothing other than message board comments about Gonzaga and nothing about St. Mary's. As I've said before, WSU hates Gonzaga. We don't want them.

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A board member I spoke with who supposedly got info from someone involved.

Masked_rebel said:

Nah, I think Boise and SDSU didnt want to involve Vegas out of pettiness. They feel vulnerable to the Vegas situation and know something we all dont about other conversations... Boise doesnt want to lose its precious stance as the Cinderella powerhouse of the West and SDSU just out of spite.

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Involve in initial conversation or at all? Like ever?

Rod_the_Rebel said:

Let’s use Nicholas cage-in-National treasure logic.

4 quarters in a game.
Big 12.
12/4 =3
UNLV won by 3
UNLV is going to the Big 12


America.

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Add:
UNLV got 2 first downs from inside the 1
UNLV won 2 games vs Big 12
1,2= 12
UNLV to the Big 12...

I guess it is possible to wait for the 43 mil guaranteed in poaching fees, then dissolve. Not sure if there is a stipulation in that 43 mil poaching fee protecting against that. I would assume there would be, but maybe not.

But again, we are leaving out the other 72 million in exit fees. Those will likely go away. So which of these remaining schools are financially sound to give up and additional 10 mil+ a piece, more if AFA leaves for the AAC just to try to join the CUSA?

If nothing changes and the MW tries to rebuild with some CUSA teams, perhaps a couple of others, they will have the capital to poach, and I believe the new schools will get a slight bump in annual revenue. It would be less than what the MW gets now, far less, but likely better than what the CUSA currently gets.

It depends how far they want to stretch the footprint, but I can see the MW going after Liberty for instance.

I really don't think the MW dissolves. I would personally love that. I think we would be in the PAC the next day. Hell the Big 12 may kick the tires if it doesn't have to pony up front. But dissolving the conference takes millions of dollars out of the leftovers that they can't afford to give up. It would be stupid for them to do so.

Sanford canceled ESPN's trip to Tempe the following week when he beat a ranked ASU team on the road. That was pretty cool.

(I think Georgia? was scheduled to play ASU the next week)

unlv7163 said:

Depends on where we go from here really. Next next 5 games are tough. Could end up in a similar situation. If going purely off of what it meant for a season, I would say 1994 against Reno would get my vote. That win, over a rival that had beaten us 5 consecutive times, gave us our one and only conference championship. Was at that game. Was very cold (for Vegas anyway).

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I also go for Reno 94. It meant a lot back then. The Kofi Banks catch. The DeJohn Branch TD run. It was awesome. And probably the coldest I have ever been.

WarthogRebel said:

If we want to go to the AAC, we better be sure. It’s $18 million to get to the AAC. It would be another $18 million to get out of the AAC if something else better were to come along. That’s a boatload of cash for our program.

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This article states pretty much what I thought. I did not know about the "threatcaster" that is pretty funny.

Also it does make me laugh a bit that the MW tried to raise the price on the Pac 12 for that second year of the scheduling agreement. They obviously took that well!

As for jumping to the ACC, I agree with Warthog. No reason to rush. Something better may come up, and I think the PAC is better for sure. We don't need to announce that anytime soon.

This was an objective decision and UNLV was not one of those top 4 media markets. Simple as that. I think we have all, myself included, overestimated the power of being in Las Vegas. Market penetration matters, and no one knows that better than the media companies themselves.

So what is next, show up and watch games. Hell I saw that recording a game also counts with Nielson Ratings. . So record games that you go to, it helps ratings. Tell you friends. Sneak to your inlaws TVs and set it their DVR to record all UNLV content and don't tell them. We need to show everyone, especially the Big 12, that UNLV can have fans and are worth the investment.

Also of course go to games. Yes this includes basketball. If you care about UNLV athletics our window is maybe less than a year right now to either be truly upgraded or left in the dust.

WarthogRebel said:

If we want to go to the AAC, we better be sure. It’s $18 million to get to the AAC. It would be another $18 million to get out of the AAC if something else better were to come along. That’s a boatload of cash for our program.

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It may not be a case of want but need.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Yeah Gloria got blindsided. And I was so looking forward to having her be the Pac-14 Commissioner. And I will say again, I do not the like the way tis came down. Screw the MW just like we got screwed. But the remaining schools have a somewhat soft landing with all the money that will be shelled out. Plus you still have 2 full seasons as a conference, then the 2-year grace period. So no hurry at all to do something drastic.

For UNLV (and AF), don't give up yet. The timing of the poaching payment, and possibly getting your hands on some of it, is intriguing right there. Granted it's only about $5M per remaining team. I hold firm to the belief that a Pac offer is coming. To me we need to get UNLV and either AF or ? from the MW to solidify at 8. Then these Memphis/Tulane/directional Texas notions can be put on the backburner for awhile.

WSU's games with BSU, Fresno and SDSU have taken on a whole new meaning. Wish we were playing you guys too.

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Considering UNLV is the only ranked team in the MWC or PAC, I am not concerned about the future of UNLV.

We will need that money to put towards our next HC in BB??

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Tulane/Memphis are my guess.

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Loyal Coug is not as clueless as some think. Look at his comments above.

Rod_the_Rebel said:

Rumors starting to surface on Reddit /cfb that a PAC 12 meeting is scheduled for this week. Possible decisions on expansion.

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Tulane/Memphis are my guess.

Rumors starting to surface on Reddit /cfb that a PAC 12 meeting is scheduled for this week. Possible decisions on expansion.

WarthogRebel said:

Interesting that they may entertain the thought of eventually taking us in the PAC 12 but at a reduced payout rate.

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A lot will depend on a few things. Will others break rank to join the new PAC? Will they be able to get a commitment from Memphis / Tulane? The new PAC has to have a minimum of 8 members, so are they willing to bring in a crappy school or two, just to get up to that number in the event that other schools play hardball with them?

Somewhat of a high stakes poker game. If no other teams were to join the PAC, those 6 would be royally screwed, so although the PAC does have leverage, they could get screwed over in a major way if the other schools decided to stay put.

IMO, once the PAC has 8 schools, they'll have more leverage. At 6, they're still vulnerable. Also, I'm wondering what the structure is for the new PAC including buyouts if/when schools want to leave in the future.

reagan21 said:

The threatcaster is the reason the poaching provision with the Pac2 was put in place. Guess they underestimated what the poaching fee should have been. $10M/team should have been the price.

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True..Still funny (not ha ha funny) that it still happened despite it.

If we want to go to the AAC, we better be sure. It’s $18 million to get to the AAC. It would be another $18 million to get out of the AAC if something else better were to come along. That’s a boatload of cash for our program.

LocoRebel said:

I really feel if they get Tulane and Memphis to commit, they need to bridge the gab some. Get Texas State and UTSA. Gives you some local interest with the rivalry, a small piece of texas, and reasonably distanced road games for Memphis and Tulane.

Looking at current makeup, Tulane is only slightly closer to the rest of the AAC anyway. Memphis being far west tennessee, they are more in the footprint of course.

I keep seeing North Texas involved in posts and commentary (mostly Twitter). They be second to last resort for Pac 12 into Texas imo. UTEP would be the only one I would want less if I was P12

FAU
Charlotte
ECU
Temple
Navy

Those 5 aren't much further from Tulane than 4 or 5 of the PAC12 schools, right? I haven't mapped and my geography sucks east of Colorado....

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I guess it depends on what they're looking to do. Do they really want to create a new conference that spans from Washington to Florida? Maybe they do, but I was thinking they would try to stay somewhat more regional.

Rebel1986 said:

That is the same Michigan that struggled to beat Arkansas St. by 10 on their own home field, and was down 24-3 to Texas in the first half before Texas put in their bench and still won by 19.

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Yeah, I know. Part of why I'm not sure what to make of Fresno.