I think it’s closer to home, imo. He’s an hour away from his hometown plus a good $$$ nil deal.I think our WR from TCU may have sealed his fate.
I don't know, I think it is and always about the money.In a vacuum it’s pretty easy to see that the teams going to the PAC in aggregate are way more valuable than the MW. And it’s easy to say that if we take all the valuable parts then we will all make more because we don’t have to share with the less valuable parts.
But there was a TON of hubris in thinking that was all there was to it. They’re finding this out now.
It’s like the PAC was a Lexus that got stripped for parts when everyone left and all WSU and OSU were left with was the body. Well they’ve got a bunch of money but not enough to replace the missing parts with Lexus parts, so they decide to strip the parts from the MWs Toyota Camry. Since Toyota makes Lexus they figure they can pass it off, but then they run out of money or piss off a supplier and now they’re just trying to cobble together a car that runs.
Gonna look great with those stock rims and tires off a 1997 Ford Ranger.
They, along with at least a few others in the conference could have said, “we’d really like to merge but we need a more equitable distribution for the “better brands”, and presented a solution to do that and the MW would have had to agree for fear of what is happening now.
It makes TOO much sense that that’s what SHOULD have happened, but this is when hubris and ego steps in, because to pull it off they would have needed UNLV and one other. But SomeboD(SU)y didn’t want that.
If it was JUST money then it would have gone another way.
This is true, which is why the games on ESPNU are much less popular. And depending on the region not every bar may be playing the B10 Network, ACC, SEC, etc. But nearly every bar will have ESPN and ESPN2.They just started counting OOH viewers in Neilsen about 4 years ago. However keep in mind it is totally imperfect and impossible to be accurate. Also if a bar is showing games on ESPN, they are also likely showing games on FS1, CBSS, CW, B10, SEC, etc. so whatever PPM models they are using to determine OOH viewers basically wash out for each network the same.
That's true!At least he didn’t go to Purdue or ballsack state
At least he didn’t go to Purdue or ballsack stateDeJesus to Cal
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So my numbers are based on the actual signed MOU:Let me explain my numbers better.
First exit fees. I am basing on an assumption that the Exit fees will be 11 mil. I think that is a very safe assumption based off of all of the other exit fees that have have happened. And it is on the HIGH end based off of precedent. It would be similar to what the AAC detractors paid and I think that is a really good comp. But many of the other examples were significantly less. So I do think that the exit fees could easily be less than 11 mil per team.
Assuming that we get every last penny of the Poaching fees, that is where the lump sum of 14 mil came from. And 14 mil again is the MAX there.
Harper said the PAC was offering 6 mil in exit fee help. 11-6 is 5 mil. 5 mil + 14 is 19 mil. Meaning right off the bat there is a 19 million dollar swing when considering accepting a PAC invite vs staying in the MW. Going back to your point that we had to hire or extend a coach, which I agree with.
We may not have to pay that 5 mil up front as a lump sum, but for argument's sake let's go with that. 5 mil is a small enough number that makes sense anyway.
As for the MOA, again this is from UNLV
"According to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed by President Whitfield, the Mountain West will pay an estimated lump sum of $10-to-14 million to UNLV in 2025, and also pay UNLV approximately $1.5-to-1.8 million annually over a six-year period beginning in July 2026. The new payments are on top of the current revenue streams from existing contracts and media assets. The current media deal expires in June 2026 and negotiations for a new media deal will begin in the near future. The university will also have the flexibility to explore future membership in an autonomous “Power Four” conference without penalty should the opportunity become available."
So UNLV will get an absolute maximum 24.8 million dollars total from staying in the league. According to this it could be as low as 19 mil total. But again this is before the lawsuits, so that could less. None of these numbers are guaranteed, notice the "approximately" "estimated". There were other numbers rumored, but I believe this is what it was settled at.
AS for the PAC I think they will easily get 4 mil more per school than the MW. I just can't see how they cannot. I hope I am wrong, but I believe they took our best 4, combined them with 2 that would be at least no worse than those top 4, added our current mean (USU) And we are left with the leftovers and our replacement schools at best make things no worse, and and at worse make our payouts worse.
I didn't include the other 9-10.8 million because I think there will be at least a 4 mil difference in the league AND hopefully we are not in the MW after 6 years anyway. But assuming we get the max payout and there will be a 4 mil difference our break even point would just after the 6 year mark. After that we would be making more money from just the base contract alone in the PAC.
But there are other factors. It is safe to say the new PAC will be getting more tournament credits. only 50% are shared, but each school could still be taking home more since they took 4 or our best 6 basketball schools.
I believe the MW is finished adding full programs. I suspect we might add a basketball or football only program for a partial share though.
Exactly. I actually was on front end of OOH media in the early 2000s with Clubcom(gyms) and Ideacast(planes). Everything is a guess based on potential eyeballs per visitor volume. Some people are watching some TVs, other people are watching other TVs. Some people don't watch at all.In the media space, we actually struggle with computing viewership based on commercial accounts (bars). Sure, a Buffalo Wild wings might have a packed house for a game. But which game are the people watching? Do you weigh each bar the same? What about a random hole in the wall bar with 3 people who have the game on for noise?
Thats my point about why adding schools in certain markets although not the premier school or even second school for that market, they're are still eyeballs in that market that watch and places that tune in for those TV ad sales in windows that arent traditionally filled by the MWC.In the media space, we actually struggle with computing viewership based on commercial accounts (bars). Sure, a Buffalo Wild wings might have a packed house for a game. But which game are the people watching? Do you weigh each bar the same? What about a random hole in the wall bar with 3 people who have the game on for noise?
Sounds like we’re reaching the same conclusion from different angles.There is no way that we know for sure this is the case!
Everyone always says this tired old narrative.
He has figured out how to hire football coaches and I believe he can find the right former HC for hoops and whoever that might be, he won’t cost as much as many of the Rebel-net naysayers think!
In the media space, we actually struggle with computing viewership based on commercial accounts (bars). Sure, a Buffalo Wild wings might have a packed house for a game. But which game are the people watching? Do you weigh each bar the same? What about a random hole in the wall bar with 3 people who have the game on for noise?They just started counting OOH viewers in Neilsen about 4 years ago. However keep in mind it is totally imperfect and impossible to be accurate. Also if a bar is showing games on ESPN, they are also likely showing games on FS1, CBSS, CW, B10, SEC, etc. so whatever PPM models they are using to determine OOH viewers basically wash out for each network the same.
In a vacuum it’s pretty easy to see that the teams going to the PAC in aggregate are way more valuable than the MW. And it’s easy to say that if we take all the valuable parts then we will all make more because we don’t have to share with the less valuable parts.PAC will get to 8 teams. WE all know that.
We will have a better what everyone is worth within the next 2 years. We are all just guessing.
But lets say this. Assuming that all MW are basically the same with a small delta in worth. Why would the PAC run far, far away from the idea of a merger? If that were the case, the payout of a merged conference would be about the same as creating their own conference. It would also cost zero fees, it would have been likely a reverse merger, they would keep the PAC name, most of their "war chest" and they would have solidified the best G5 conference.
Could it be, that the delta within the mountain west is pretty big. They knew their worth from their partners and realized it was worth all of the exorbitant up front costs to create a new conference? Sharing with the doldrums of the MW would be too much to take?
Follow the money. That is what this is all about, it always has been, it always will.
They just started counting OOH viewers in Neilsen about 4 years ago. However keep in mind it is totally imperfect and impossible to be accurate. Also if a bar is showing games on ESPN, they are also likely showing games on FS1, CBSS, CW, B10, SEC, etc. so whatever PPM models they are using to determine OOH viewers basically wash out for each network the same.IT was the 5th least watched game on that channel all year long. Out of 70+ games. ESPN gets numbers by default, because it is on in every Sports Bar in the coutnry.
IT was the 5th least watched game on that channel all year long. Out of 70+ games. ESPN gets numbers by default, because it is on in every Sports Bar in the coutnry.Not typically no. But earlier in the year NDSU VS South Dakota State (I think) was on ESPN 2 (Again I think) and did very well for a regular season game.
@RebelinWA had the numbers for that game.
Perhaps, but that is definitely negotiable.They had 250 million or so reasons... MWC didn't want the Pac 12 brand and if they lost the conference they lose all the money... the lawsuit settlement doesn't just give them all the cash, it gives them control of it but if the conference fails to be a conference, the money then gets split back to everyone..
So yeah, there's probably a delta, probably be bigger had Memphis and Tulane jumped, will ot be astronomical, no, but the 2 currently voting members are getting buckets of cash to maintain the conference and pay out amongst themselves that's why they didn't just merge...