Meister_Rebel said:

I have a feeling we were attacked from within. Like @1Tripoda would call them "snakes". Here we were negotiating the scheduling agreement then the next thing you know the rug was pulled out from under us. Someone had inside information and used it against us.

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It is possible that this was always going to be the plan. Then poaching agreement when we did the other scheduling agreement is the weird part of it. Maybe PAC knew they had to take the hit so they just agreed to it. They were pretty desperate when everyone left.
But it did seem like a merger was going to happen and that poaching fee seem to help that out.

j. spilotro said:

You always want a capable backup. Even a back up to a back up. Schools with deep pockets can buy insurance policies.

He’s not going to the NFL.

I never, ever said he sucked, not while he was here, not after he left. He’s a good college quarterback. Very solid. Has some limitations, does some things pretty well, other things very well.

But I don’t see him in the NFL. Enough so that I am willing to lay down money on it.

Maybe you’re right, maybe it is too early to tell. But it’s too early to tell whether Jacob Bannarbie will play in the NBA. I’ll bet you he won’t. Too early to tell is a great hedger though, it’s along the lines of “slow growth is the way forward”.

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Because according to you people never improve, never learn from their mistakes. We are all exactly what we will be at 17 and 18. No coach, team, player ever gets better. Of course for overwhelming evidence that it does all of the time. But that takes patience and us Rebel fans need instant gratification because we are too good to wait and earn it. Like everyone else.
I agree he lacks wowing measurables. But thing is QB is the one position where that doesn't matter, with the exception of needing to make certain throws.
Maiava can make all of throws. There are plenty of cases where QBs make it to the NFL with strong upperclassmen seasons. Playing as back ups. In fact there may be more cases of that in recent memory over multi year starters.
I am not saying he is a sure fire NFL player. I just think it is too early to say as a sopthroes.
Time will tell. Sure they have a stud QB prospect coming in, but they let that same level of player go to bring in Maiava this past off-season. He should be more worried about a transfer TBH.
Barnarbie? Come on Joe. Can you ever make a point without a ridiculous comparison? Maiava was a solid 3-4 star recruit (was out highest ever recruit at the time) who had P5 interest. Then was in a bidding war between 2 of the biggest programs in college football. JB was a complete unknown.

dcut03 said:

This was her biggest mistake. She was too bullish with them. Merger talks were going well and she played hardball thinking that the PAC had no leverage. Then she pushed hard on upping the scheduling agreement for year 2.
All of this is probably moot because just due to economics I thought this was the path that the PAC would go. But it does seem that Neverez made their decision much easier by basically antagonizing them.
Now the MW is in trouble.

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I have a feeling we were attacked from within. Like @1Tripoda would call them "snakes". Here we were negotiating the scheduling agreement then the next thing you know the rug was pulled out from under us. Someone had inside information and used it against us.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I'm rubber you're glue will get you banned though.

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** Looking for the ban button **
Remembering that I'm not a mod.

Do I still have access to Joe Force One, though?

rickyb55 said:

Who do you talk to still?

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Matt L - baseball player
Rhett B - his long-time friend (they still are)
Kristy G - 1993 I think but still friends with Rhett, if not Matt

Rebel1986 said:

Considering how well the defensive coach has done, not so sure he wouldn't end up as the next head coach if they took an assistant.

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Year 2 with Scherer has been very good. I do think our offense will be more effective. And we know that Marion is the sole architect of the offense.
Odom gives Scherer all the credit, but Odom is the type of guy that would give his assistants credit oven if he has a major role. So hard to say.
But I think Scherer should be seriously considered if it comes to that. But I can also see Odom bringing Scherer with him and potentially paying him more than we would offer as a HC.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

USU is such a weird team. Look like garbage, look like garbage and then upset somebody during the season.

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I hadn't looked at the Temple vs USU score until this morning. 45-29. That sure as hell doesn't look good as the PAC may have you under consideration. Total embarrassment at the wrong time.

LocoRebel said:

Played hard ball in scheduling agreement negotiations and lost 4 of her best Athletics Departments

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This was her biggest mistake. She was too bullish with them. Merger talks were going well and she played hardball thinking that the PAC had no leverage. Then she pushed hard on upping the scheduling agreement for year 2.
All of this is probably moot because just due to economics I thought this was the path that the PAC would go. But it does seem that Neverez made their decision much easier by basically antagonizing them.
Now the MW is in trouble.

rebelzzz said:

I have read 3 different articles now all stating they think the new PAC deal will more than likely be in the 4-6 million range. If that is more accurate than 10-15 million why would any team from AAC go to the PAC?

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That could be the case, but it makes no sense. Whatsoever.
First, the MW 4 wouldn't have left to create a conference with no financial benefits and also pay for the privilege.
Second, that is exactly the same money as the current MW. Taking 4 of the best markets plus the PAC 2 without the dead weight of the MW. There is no possible way that it wouldn't be higher. The math does not make sense.
More reports say 10-12. Who knows what it will be and to be honest it really depends on how they round out the rest of the conference.

j. spilotro said:

They wouldn’t. Nickels and dimes you can rationalize. That’s 2-3x the amount.

shes a dunce. But we tend to think those at the top are geniuses, above criticism, they MUST know what they’re doing, they MUST be good - otherwise why would they be hired? Coaches, ADs, presidents, etc.

Once merit as a hiring tool was cast aside … you invite incompetence to prevail. Not every case, but before positions were always earned.

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The constant bitching about tough breaks in life is weird man.

Great Looking

Rod_the_Rebel said:

She is not a smart woman.

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That makes all of our Presidents dumb as well since they all signed off on the Scheduling Agreement.

Sad thing is all they had to do was join the MWC - Call it the PAC 14 - and it would have been the top G5 conference. Win it and you get a CFP spot nearly every year. Get 4-5 spots in the dance every year. But NO..................!! They were just too good for that.

LocoRebel said:

Played hard ball in scheduling agreement negotiations and lost 4 of her best Athletics Departments

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She is not a smart woman.

Joshua's chin fails him again.

LocoRebel said:

Just pointing out that the MWC is undoubtedly worse off after she tried to overplay her hand than they were before. Not saying I would have done it differently. We also don't have all the information that she is privy to, but that was what had been reported early on.

They will definitely not match p4 money, but I'd expect them to get double or more MWC money. And they don't have to give reno, wyo, unm, us currently, any of it. Bigger pie and fewer mouths. Easy choice for them to leave once offered.

Edit- she is the commissioner, her role is to look out for her schools. Expect that to have been in good faith, but it obviously didn't go as good is it could have.

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I forget what talking head it was on TV discussing this, but gist of it was he doesn't want to hear that the MWC commish was caught off guard by this move. He said when you basically hand them the blue print of what it would cost to poach you shouldn't be surprised when it happens.

What I'm still not clear on is how Hawaii's football only status is factored into this?

Anybody have insight on it?

I've heard they may have no say if schools voted to dissolve the conference?

If that's the case wouldn't that put MWC technically below the 8 required for conference affiliation already?

In which case wouldn't that additional poaching penalty/fee kick in?

Basically rehashing an earlier post. McMurphy is usually solid on info.

One thing to consider with any of these reports is the possibility that schools both actual targets of the PAC and some that aren't might be leaking false info out for leverage.

Take Memphis for example. Saw a couple things pop up today linking ACC interest to both Memphis and USF. Was this Memphis and USF leaking stories to try and sweeten deal with new PAC? Maybe even add more pressure on AAC commish?

This story has USU and UNLV linked as next targets of PAC. Are they? Possibly. Is this USU and UNLV trying to put some pressure on MWC commish to give them a bigger cut of MWC deal if they stay put?

Masked_rebel said:

That's my point. I know some would like to hire Marion if Odom leaves, but I'd rather go offer a HC that might be on the sidelines looking for their shot and just looking for a big opportunity with a hood foundation.. I sure hope we aren't hiring assistants again as first time HCs, especially those with minimal experience as a coordinator

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I'm in the camp of previous HC experience. But a lot depends on who's available should this occur.

I wouldn't limit my search to just former HCs though.

Rebel1986 said:

Considering how well the defensive coach has done, not so sure he wouldn't end up as the next head coach if they took an assistant.

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If I was Harper and Odom had been offered a job he couldn't refuse I'd ask him at his exit interview...

'Barry who can keep this going. Give me some names'.

Harper and Odom have a good relationship. Odom comes across as a stand up guy.

I think Odom would give him an honest answer. And I think Harper would be wise to take whoever he said into serious consideration.

Oh man Joshua might need to hang them up. Dubois looked solid today.

j. spilotro said:

NIU goes down.

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Masked_rebel said:

Toledo goes down as well...

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Toledo was a team I thought could make some noise this year. Went 9-3 last year. Not upset to see them lose.

NIU going down classic hangover game after beating Notre Dame.

Loyal Coug1 said:

https://washingtonstate.rivals.com/

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Oh snap it got real.

He posted the coordinates to the bike rack on campus.

This s#$+$ going down after 6th period!

Rebel1986 said:

The last 4 games are the easiest of the year. Get past the first eight, and UNLV has a really good shot at winning out.

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3 of the 4. SJSU looks better than I expected. Barely lost in OT to Wazzu and dropped to 3-1.

Loyal Coug1 said:

So, would you like my Cougs to beat BSU and Fresno for you?

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You play BSU before us. I’d be alright if you smash them. Wazzu > Boise.