Rod_the_Rebel said:

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We stay and Odom is gone. Especially after they bring in weaker schools to fill in.

Gloria I swear I will take you out to a nice seafood dinner and never call you again.

Gloria... you on here?

I agree with Mr. Epstein

F*** Fresno State and their fans, players, homes, farmland, livestock, food, beverage, streets, bars

BornRebelRed said:

We play eleven non conference games. According to last years final Kenpom rankings, the 7 lowest ranked teams play in the Thomas & Mack. The other 4 are neutral or away.

Road games: Kenpom # 11 32,34, 41,61
Home games # 217,224,260,290,310,358
A rather embarrassing slap in the face to downstairs donors who have to witness these putrid games. How does UNLV expect to draw ANY crowds with that type scheduling? Thanks Kevin for getting me all fired up about UC Riverside…..Not sure how we coerced Memphis to come here. So we got that going for us…

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Their home scheduling is an embarrassment they always pull that crap and move the best home games to someplace else.

SilverSpoon said:

Surprised the PAC doesn't prioritize Army, Navy and AFA. Add Memphis, USF, UAB/Tulane, UNM, and UNLV. Ultimately Killing the MWC and all costs associated and watering down the AAC so bad that CUSA would giggle. Then you got your got your $10mil/per school media package with ease and with 14 schools. CSU would have to join the east side with AFA. 7v7

If I was the PAC, my first order of biz would be to destroy the MWC. Adding AF, UNLV and UNM could do it.

What am I missing?

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that there are a few programs in that group of 6 that dont want to see UNLV elevated. Also they dont want UNM. Also there is the question of who pays the fees for the next group- does the Pac 12 give up its massive War chest to the MWC in departure and poaching fees or do the next 4 programs pay their own way... If thats the case, none of those schools have the 18 million required.

Just curious what is the over/under on FanDuel for him transferring to Duquesne?

Meister_Rebel said:

If Memphis and Tulane agree to stay with AF & UNLV the AAC should consider taking UNM and one other school. The other school doesn't necessarily have to be a MWC school.

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I agree four is a good number. Would those four votes be enough to dissolve the conference and avoid paying a departure fee?

Bullmastiff 1 said:

What makes this tough is the uncertainty of who's staying and who's going.

I'd have to know who else from current MWC is sticking it out.

Figure AFA not likely sticking around.

I'm down to 7 now.

Need 5 to rebuild.

Ok if I'm building with 7 I'm thinking I probably take the money and do everything possible with it to get a BIG12 invite in 5 years.

If it's 6 because USU took the PAC12 offer I think I'm taking a PAC12 offer as well if its there.

I just think the conference would be so watered down at that point I'd damn near have to run the table every year to even hope for a CFP birth. I'd have to schedule way up in OOC (No more FCS opponents) to compensate for weak in conference schedule.

But that is a boatload load of money to turn down.

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Does AFA get their funding from the Defense Department or through some other mechanism? If it's DOD would they need congressional approval to move?

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Pretty much how I read it...Wouldn't be surprised if Utah State wasn't part of that discussion as well.

I hadn't ever thought about AAC adding UNLV and AF as a way to entice Memphis and Tulane to stay.

There is a ton of maneuvering right now for sure.

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If Memphis and Tulane agree to stay with AF & UNLV the AAC should consider taking UNM and one other school. The other school doesn't necessarily have to be a MWC school.

Masked_rebel said:

So here's a what if...
Glory calls and offers 30% of the departure fees collected to UNLV, an increased revenue share to say 5 million per year, with a 5 year commitment(ie- 5 year penalties to leave, after 5 none) to help build conference back to stay... do you take that?

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Creative for sure, I just can’t see the rest of the schools agreeing to hand UNLV that big of a chunk of cash… I mean it would be funny to be public enemy number 1 to every other MW schools fans though lol.

The other thing though is I’m not sure the MW is actually going to get all of that money. One of the articles posted yesterday I read had a quote from someone that stated basically that “the #1 seed in college realignment is “billable hours””…

The war chest the PAC 2 are using to buy teams far outweighs that of the MW… they can use a big chunk to pay for lawyers the MW can’t. Any payments will get delayed years, and by then who the hell knows what’s what anymore?

LocoRebel said:

There are a million storyline surround each of these teams. Broadly, there are two major ones:

One is on the way out of the conference, the other is trying.

Both are CFP hopefuls.



These teams were picked 2 and 3 in tbe conference each with 2 first place votes. In addition to what should be a really good game on Saturday, what storyline specific to this week are you most interested in?

I always like former staffers playing against UNLV again. Skipper is a former UNLV DC, JD Williams is DBs and DPGC.

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It's going to be a close game. Storyline: UNLV Freshman Field Goal Kicker with Win.
2nd Storyline: UNLV Defense Stops Fresno Offense.

You have certain teams who are going to have big TV numbers because of who they are… big cities with huge alumni bases spread across the country. The only team who maybe slightly fits that bill in the MW is probably Air Force.

Everyone else’s TV numbers go directly hand in hand with if they’re any good. Boise sort of qualifies in that regard… how much though is up for debate. Several years ago Boise was REALLY good and became this mid major darling for a lot of people, but that was ONLY because they were actually REALLY good. They’ve still been pretty good over the last several years but they’re not the mid major darling that they once were and their popularity has regressed closer to the mean.

If and when they’re in the middle of the pack their “metrics” won’t be that great and their market won’t be shit.

In the new PAC Oregon St and Washington St will probably stay fairly consistent… older schools, larger alumni bases, PAC legacy schools. The other four are gonna be inconsistent at best.

What are we even doing on this thread?!?! Let's get more threads about next weeks game and our chances of making the CFP, instead of speculating that our coaches are going to leave and trying to find a replacement for them. I get there is a chance some coaches might leave if we have a great season, but it's like we're soo used to losing that coach Carousel thread has to come up even if we're winning.

RebelinWA said:

I would be careful with these metrics. Our numbers definitely were boosted by Michigan, Kansas and Vanderbilt. The numbers don’t look so exciting when you remove bowl and out of conference.

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Yes but this is true of the other MWC schools as well. Our title game vs BSU drew over 1M.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Read this article some really interesting stuff. Some new angles..

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I had read that as well yeah that is definitely no on the grant of rights. If the new PAC is expecting $ similar to what the AAC already gets I would negotiate with them which would likely keep Memphis and Tulane in that conference maybe add two more MWC schools and let the PAC scramble. If the $ are the same we don't need the PAC if they don't want to pay our departure fees.

RebelinWA said:

I would be careful with these metrics. Our numbers definitely were boosted by Michigan, Kansas and Vanderbilt. The numbers don’t look so exciting when you remove bowl and out of conference.

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What if I took out Boise's Bowl Games and OOC schedule of Washington, Memphis, and UCF? Looking at the smaller OOC game, do you think Bryant draws more eyes than North Dakota?

This is essentially the same statistical argument that 'Charles Williams is a below average RB if you remove all of his long touchdown runs'. Sure, but aren't those statistical 'outliers' part of the the sample size when you're calculating things like total yards and yards per carry? The Michigan game is doing some heavy lifting in our numbers, but that's what you should get by scheduling a top 5 team on the road, but how much lifting is that game in Seattle doing?

Masked_rebel said:

So here's a what if...
Glory calls and offers 30% of the departure fees collected to UNLV, an increased revenue share to say 5 million per year, with a 5 year commitment(ie- 5 year penalties to leave, after 5 none) to help build conference back to stay... do you take that?

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Nope

Surprised the PAC doesn't prioritize Army, Navy and AFA. Add Memphis, USF, UAB/Tulane, UNM, and UNLV. Ultimately Killing the MWC and all costs associated and watering down the AAC so bad that CUSA would giggle. Then you got your got your $10mil/per school media package with ease and with 14 schools. CSU would have to join the east side with AFA. 7v7

If I was the PAC, my first order of biz would be to destroy the MWC. Adding AF, UNLV and UNM could do it.

What am I missing?

Masked_rebel said:

So here's a what if...
Glory calls and offers 30% of the departure fees collected to UNLV, an increased revenue share to say 5 million per year, with a 5 year commitment(ie- 5 year penalties to leave, after 5 none) to help build conference back to stay... do you take that?

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What makes this tough is the uncertainty of who's staying and who's going.

I'd have to know who else from current MWC is sticking it out.

Figure AFA not likely sticking around.

I'm down to 7 now.

Need 5 to rebuild.

Ok if I'm building with 7 I'm thinking I probably take the money and do everything possible with it to get a BIG12 invite in 5 years.

If it's 6 because USU took the PAC12 offer I think I'm taking a PAC12 offer as well if its there.

I just think the conference would be so watered down at that point I'd damn near have to run the table every year to even hope for a CFP birth. I'd have to schedule way up in OOC (No more FCS opponents) to compensate for weak in conference schedule.

But that is a boatload load of money to turn down.

Masked_rebel said:

So here's a what if...
Glory calls and offers 30% of the departure fees collected to UNLV, an increased revenue share to say 5 million per year, with a 5 year commitment(ie- 5 year penalties to leave, after 5 none) to help build conference back to stay... do you take that?

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Man....

That's honestly a tough call...Because if I turn down the PAC they may just move on and grab somebody else further weakening the conference.

It's not even my call and I feel like I need to sleep on it. 🙂

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