Masked_rebel said:

They also don't want 8-9 MWC teams. They want a leaner conference that sets them up to try and push back into the P5 status. Dragging along dead weight isn't a good buisness model for them more mouths to feed from tv deal that starts to get watered down

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I'm wondering from an analytic stand point how remaining MWC schools are viewed as potential revenue for conference/media deals?

Like highest to lowest and is Hawaii even considered at all..(I don't think so).

Meister_Rebel said:

It wouldn't work that way. The withdrawal fee (poaching fee) goes up to 11 teams. Then it has to be paid within 30 days. The MWC with one team will be give 2 years to rebuild to remain a conference just like the PAC. If it can't rebuild then it dissolves.

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Which goes to why AFA decision is extremely important.

The moment the MWC goes below 7 (And I'm still not sure how Hawaii as football only impacts conference recognition) they are forced to look at trying to poach teams.

They also don't want 8-9 MWC teams. They want a leaner conference that sets them up to try and push back into the P5 status. Dragging along dead weight isn't a good buisness model for them more mouths to feed from tv deal that starts to get watered down

oneepstein said:

Honestly they should have just agreed to terms with 8 or 9 MW teams (however many a vote takes) and then have them dissolve the conference. Even if you only wanted 5-6, you take the extra 2-3 and it costs you literally nothing if you’re WSU and OSU. Sure you’re not gonna make as much on the next TV deal, but how much less? Even if you said it was gonna be $5 million per year less each and this whole rebuilding the PAC thing is gonna cost you $100 million… that’s 10 years it would take before it isn’t worth it.

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It wouldn't work that way. The withdrawal fee (poaching fee) goes up to 11 teams. Then it has to be paid within 30 days. The MWC with one team will be give 2 years to rebuild to remain a conference just like the PAC. If it can't rebuild then it dissolves.

Meanwhile Memphis down at half...

Bullmastiff 1 said:

Fair but them losing doesn't help.

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If Kansas can hold on against West Virginia, that will help.

TimothyC3 said:

That part was more tongue in cheek. But she should play hard ball and now she will have a stash of cash to offer UNLV or maybe USU to stay in the MWC.

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Interesting angle.

I think AFA decision might dictate some of that.

In order of dominoes and importance of how this plays out.

1- Memphis
2-AFA

AFA leaving would weaken MWC ability to play hard ball some.

Honestly they should have just agreed to terms with 8 or 9 MW teams (however many a vote takes) and then have them dissolve the conference. Even if you only wanted 5-6, you take the extra 2-3 and it costs you literally nothing if you’re WSU and OSU. Sure you’re not gonna make as much on the next TV deal, but how much less? Even if you said it was gonna be $5 million per year less each and this whole rebuilding the PAC thing is gonna cost you $100 million… that’s 10 years it would take before it isn’t worth it.

Rebel1986 said:

The way Utah State is playing 0-3 Temple, maybe they should consider moving down to a lower division?

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USU is such a weird team. Look like garbage, look like garbage and then upset somebody during the season.

TimothyC3 said:

That part was more tongue in cheek. But she should play hard ball and now she will have a stash of cash to offer UNLV or maybe USU to stay in the MWC.

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I do not really feel like she looked out for the NWC teams overall, but time will tell!

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I'm still inclined to believe it was planned pretty well.

You disrupt MWC. Get top targets.

Then turn attention to 'bigger' fish.

If you get them great.

If not you are out nothing because you still pretty much have your pick of MWC teams you want to add.

You only need 2 more.

I think if Memphis falls through,

UNLV and possibly USU are in play now.

I totally understand your point.

I just think even if PAC hits road block with Memphis there was contingency plans in place.

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The way Utah State is playing 0-3 Temple, maybe they should consider moving down to a lower division? Temple 31 Utah St. 21 with Temple deep in the Utah State side.

TimothyC3 said:

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

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Good and bad. Bad because the PAC doesn't want to pay for more poaching. If that is the case it doesn't help us.

Rebel1986 said:

I would be curious if her putting it in the deal that she would be the hew commish would get her in legal trouble?

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That part was more tongue in cheek. But she should play hard ball and now she will have a stash of cash to offer UNLV or maybe USU to stay in the MWC.

Rebel1986 said:

I don't think it really took a hit since most everyone thought after the game that Houston sucked.

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Fair but them losing doesn't help.

TimothyC3 said:

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

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I would have asked..

'How much you got from that PAC payout?

Insert number....

That's the poaching fee then.

Well we won't sign a scheduling agreement.

Sweet enjoy scrambling looking to fill your schedule.

It is more important how Kansas does today. Currently up 21-17 over West Virginia at West Virginia.

WarthogRebel said:

Let them rot like month old garbage.

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Hey, I hate them as much as you do.

In a perfect and just world everything goes sideways for them and they come crawling back.

Also, the $43 mill poaching penalty in the scheduling agreement was very smart.

Bullmastiff 1 said:

100%

But our UH win took a big hit today with them getting rolled.

If KU holds on to beat WVU that helps.

Another undefeated G5 is Army...Weak schedule but still undefeated.

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I don't think it really took a hit since most everyone thought after the game that Houston sucked.

TimothyC3 said:

Maybe Gloria was a little smarter than she is being given credit for? I would play hard ball if I were her. Take us ALL or fork up the $115 mill. Also, I will be the new Commissioner of the NEW PAC!

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I would be curious if her putting it in the deal that she would be the hew commish would get her in legal trouble?

The PAC settled on 65 mil from the exiting 10 teams last season. The PAC had a record revenue last year. 604 million. Total payout for the 2 remains schools is over 66 mil.
The conference had a net revenue from just last year alone, of around 60 mil. This after paying all of the schools.
This does not account for any other residual revenue they have ammased over the years or the NCAAT payouts that are coming their way from last season alone, which is at least 18 million.
My point is that the PAC has some money to work with.

Rebel1986 said:

That NIU win over Notre Dame may not be aging all that well. Miami (Ohio) is currently up in the middle of the second quarter 3-0 with the ball at the 50. Miami (Ohio) 131 yards offense to Notre Dame 38 yards of offense. Miami (Ohio) is an 0-2 team. Not saying Miami (Ohio) has a legit chance to win, only that Notre Dame has a really bad offense.

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Miami (OH) had a lot of hype coming into this season. Was a G5 playoff dark horse. They are probably better than their record shows.

Doesn’t mean Notre Dame is any good. They’re not.

Rebel1986 said:

That NIU win over Notre Dame may not be aging all that well. Miami (Ohio) is currently up in the middle of the second quarter 3-0 with the ball at the 50. Miami (Ohio) 131 yards offense to Notre Dame 38 yards of offense. Miami (Ohio) is an 0-2 team

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100%

But our UH win took a big hit today with them getting rolled.

If KU holds on to beat WVU that helps.

Another undefeated G5 is Army...Weak schedule but still undefeated.

Maybe Gloria was a little smarter than she is being given credit for? I would play hard ball if I were her. Take us ALL or fork up the $115 mill. Also, I will be the new Commissioner of the NEW PAC!