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bcvegaspt2 · 2024-09-22T16:11:47-0600

LocoRebel said:
Oh really? So 2-6 combined record with only FCS wins are quality?

Good for UNLV? Absolutely. Not the same as Oregon.

Edit: looks like rice was the Houston win.

Rice also got blown out by something called Sam Houston State

Sam Houston State happens to have the best football team of all the schools with “Sam Houston” in their name, so there’s that.

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T16:11:11-0600

Loyal Coug1 said:
Who do YOU guys want to have join you?

That's the rub isn't it..

Do you go heavy on Texas schools?

Take the top of CUSA?

Grab both Dakota's and Montana's?

Realistic options aren't great to be honest.

InZoneU · 2024-09-22T16:00:53-0600

TimothyC3 said:
This is my prediction when it comes to the playoffs. G5 conference affiliation will have little impact. What will matter is wins against the P4. Odom was clever in his scheduling. He is the only G5 program to schedule 3 P4 opponents and the only G5 school that is 2-0 on the road against the P4. Syracuse is important. A win at home UNLV will be 3-0 against the P4 and it doesn’t matter whether they are a member of the MWC, MAC or AAC. What will matter is a 3-0 record against the P4. Assuming equal win-loss at the end of the year at say 11-1 and UNLV is one of 2-3 G5 with the same record, UNLV will get the nod.

Exactly. Schedule good OOC games, win those and run your conference. Conference means dyck. I don't think we were complaining about being in the PCC or BW when we were winning and I think winning games against Cal St. Fullerton didn't really matter in the long run.

Loyal Coug1 · 2024-09-22T15:59:15-0600

Masked_rebel said:
You don't want SJSU... they just finished renovating their stadium so it's not likely getting much bigger and they're terrible at basketball... Utah St makes a better argument as they have a decent football environment and basketball has been good...

Who do YOU guys want to have join you?

Masked_rebel · 2024-09-22T15:45:04-0600

Loyal Coug1 said:
As stated previously, the good news is that the MW will remain at 11/12 (Incl. Hawaii) for 2 more years. Then comes the 2-year grace period, assuming that the provision still applies. Lots of time to worry about retrenching. And yeah the remaining schools will be well off thanks to all the poaching and exit fees. But UNLV won't care because you are coming to join the Pac. Just figure out who should join with you. CSU will want Wyoming or AF. BSU will probably want Wyoming. I'm really starting to lean towards SJSU if they can get off their ass and fix their stadium size. Otherwise your mother ship Reno or USU.

You don't want SJSU... they just finished renovating their stadium so it's not likely getting much bigger and they're terrible at basketball... Utah St makes a better argument as they have a decent football environment and basketball has been good...

Loyal Coug1 · 2024-09-22T15:43:03-0600

1Tripoda said:
WSU will get creamed, Loyal Coug

Edit: Just check the schedule, WSU is going to play BSU in Boise with Boise being ranked for the first time? You're going to have jiss all over your face.

Congrats to UNLV for being ranked. I'll stop over next Saturday night win or lose. Should be a great game.

Tripod, your hate is palpable. Did some handsome Coug steal your GF or sleep with your wife or what? Do you hate OSU as much, or is it just WSU?

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T15:42:15-0600

Loyal Coug1 said:
I already posted this, but will again. You ARE correct that UNLV became D-1 in 1978, see last quote below. WSU welcomed them with open arms.....

"The first college classes, which eventually became the classes of UNLV, were offered as the southern regional extension division of the University of Nevada in 1959 in a classroom at Las Vegas High School.

In 1965, the Nevada Legislature named the school Nevada Southern University, and the Board of Regents hired the campus's first president,

In 1968, Nevada Southern was given equal status with its parent institution in Reno.

After ten years as a Division II independent, the program made the jump to the Division I level in 1978, independent of any conference affiliation. On September 9, the Rebels played their first game as a Division I school, losing to Washington State 7–34. "

You only beat us by 27? Weak sauce!

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T15:40:25-0600

Masked_rebel said:
We weren't necessarily going to get that deal anyways... I still don't see how the Pac 2 think they're getting as much as they are, but hey more power to them...
There aren't like for like replacements, but there also isn't a reason to make dumb long term decisions like paying exit fees and agreeing to a smaller cut of revenue just because you weren't in the first 6 teams or you're worried about what the future TV deal looks like

So we're clear, I'm not saying you're wrong in any way. I'm just saying I don't think being left out of PAC and trying to maintain this momentum will be nearly as easy to do in a decimated MWC.

You're right we don't know with any certainty what the PAC media deal will look like.

But on the flip side I thinks it's fair to assume that any new MWC deal will not be equal to the current one.

If it's me and even a partial share of a new PAC deal is double the current MWC deal I think you have to at least consider it.

Loyal Coug1 · 2024-09-22T15:35:59-0600

1Tripoda said:
It is tough, that is why I am so pissed. Snakes like WSU and OSU should never been entertained.
Memphis
Tulane
Sacremento State
UC Irvine
Grand Canyon
New Mexico State
UC Davis
The Montanas' schools (2)
The Dakotas
We need more Cali and Texas schools.

Edit: UC San Diego still have Lavin as Coach? If they afford him, yes.

As stated previously, the good news is that the MW will remain at 11/12 (Incl. Hawaii) for 2 more years. Then comes the 2-year grace period, assuming that the provision still applies. Lots of time to worry about retrenching. And yeah the remaining schools will be well off thanks to all the poaching and exit fees. But UNLV won't care because you are coming to join the Pac. Just figure out who should join with you. CSU will want Wyoming or AF. BSU will probably want Wyoming. I'm really starting to lean towards SJSU if they can get off their ass and fix their stadium size. Otherwise your mother ship Reno or USU.

LocoRebel · 2024-09-22T15:32:49-0600

Boston Rebel 2 said:
One quality loss does not exceed two quality wins.

Oh really? So 2-6 combined record with only FCS wins are quality?

Good for UNLV? Absolutely. Not the same as Oregon.

Edit: looks like rice was the Houston win.

Rice also got blown out by something called Sam Houston State

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T15:26:49-0600

1Tripoda said:
UNLV became a university in what year. I think it was 1957? Right? Became a DI in 1978?

Why are you arguing with me, Bull? You know you cannot win. Shut the hell up.

Lol.

Ok Trip.

UNLV did not meet the academic requirements for the PAC back then.

It had nothing to do UNLV not feeling like they didn't need the PAC to succeed.

As the power conferences solidified and grew the ability of non power conferences to compete has dwindled.

Gonzaga and a few others are now exceptions to the rule not the norm.

Not one non power conference school has won a national title since UNLV

Now ask yourself why....

Buffel · 2024-09-22T15:26:42-0600

I think we are getting way ahead of ourselves. One
game at a time. A single loss and they probably drop us out anyway. Just win baby!!

Loyal Coug1 · 2024-09-22T15:16:47-0600

1Tripoda said:
UNLV became a university in what year. I think it was 1957? Right? Became a DI in 1978?

Why are you arguing with me, Bull? You know you cannot win. Shut the hell up.

I already posted this, but will again. You ARE correct that UNLV became D-1 in 1978, see last quote below. WSU welcomed them with open arms.....

"The first college classes, which eventually became the classes of UNLV, were offered as the southern regional extension division of the University of Nevada in 1959 in a classroom at Las Vegas High School.

In 1965, the Nevada Legislature named the school Nevada Southern University, and the Board of Regents hired the campus's first president,

In 1968, Nevada Southern was given equal status with its parent institution in Reno.

After ten years as a Division II independent, the program made the jump to the Division I level in 1978, independent of any conference affiliation. On September 9, the Rebels played their first game as a Division I school, losing to Washington State 7–34. "

RebelinWA · 2024-09-22T15:04:50-0600

1Tripoda said:
Yes man, UNLV was famous world wise back then I travel to Thailand with a UNLV shirt and they recognise it. Programs are programs. Football is a larger project, is football as famous as the UNLV basketball team of the 1990. No. Can it be, maybe...long way to go. I mean Goshdang dude, the sheer intimidation of UNLV basketball team was insane. Games were won long before they play the game.

Vegas is famous. But what has UNLV done since the 90’s? All of our recent success in football was last year and prior to that success was decades before. Basketball hasn’t had success in a decade.

With the exception of one conference on the east coast; ALL media deals rely on football. I work for a big media company. At the moment football is king.

I HATE sdsu, reno, and to a lesser extent new mexico; but if basketball was our ticket to a big media deal then why would the pac poach based on football?

We need to find a way to not get left behind. I’ll take less money up front with the big12, pac, and aac to get off a sinking ship. I’d rather leave everything behind to have a chance at survival than to go down with the ship.

1Tripoda · 2024-09-22T15:00:54-0600

UNLV became a university in what year. I think it was 1957? Right? Became a DI in 1978?

Why are you arguing with me, Bull? You know you cannot win. Shut the hell up.

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T14:57:16-0600

1Tripoda said:
Yes man, UNLV was famous world wise back then I travel to Thailand with a UNLV shirt and they recognise it. Programs are programs. Football is a larger project, is football as famous as the UNLV basketball team of the 1990. No. Can it be, maybe...long way to go. I mean Goshdang dude, the sheer intimidation of UNLV basketball team was insane. Games were won long before they play the game.

WAS FAMOUS...

WAS this.

WAS that..

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T14:56:28-0600

1Tripoda said:
I dont know Bull. Why didn't UNLV pushed to join the PAC 10 when UNLV was a worldwide phenomena? You answered your own question.

Because our football program wasn't good. And our academics weren't high enough at the time.

We couldn't get in. Not that we didn't want to or wouldn't have if offered.

Nice try though.

1Tripoda · 2024-09-22T14:54:02-0600

Yes man, UNLV was famous world wise back then I travel to Thailand with a UNLV shirt and they recognise it. Programs are programs. Football is a larger project, is football as famous as the UNLV basketball team of the 1990. No. Can it be, maybe...long way to go. I mean Goshdang dude, the sheer intimidation of UNLV basketball team was insane. Games were won long before they play the game.

1Tripoda · 2024-09-22T14:42:42-0600

Bullmastiff 1 said:
Again with this nonsense comparison.

Sorry Trip this is just silly man.

You are talking about two completely different sports.

1- Football roster sizes are so much bigger than basketball rosters. It takes far more players to be 'good'.

2- There were like half as many D-1 basketball programs back then. Talent wasn't spread as thinly.

3-UNLV was the last non power Conference to win a national championship in basketball. And before you say Villanova go look at the Big East media deal vs what MWC is getting.

UNLV is not a worldwide phenomenon.

They are a fondly remembered team for people in their 40s and 50s.

And without knowing it, you proved my point in another post. When I asked you who MWC should poach.

If conference doesn't matter, why would any of those schools leave their conference to join a new MWC. Why not just stay put if it doesn't matter...

I dont know Bull. Why didn't UNLV pushed to join the PAC 10 when UNLV was a worldwide phenomena? You answered your own question.

Bullmastiff 1 · 2024-09-22T14:30:03-0600

1Tripoda said:
Bull, UNLV won the National Championship in what conference in 1990? UNLV is a worldwide phenomena. Does it matter?

Again with this nonsense comparison.

Sorry Trip this is just silly man.

You are talking about two completely different sports.

1- Football roster sizes are so much bigger than basketball rosters. It takes far more players to be 'good'.

2- There were like half as many D-1 basketball programs back then. Talent wasn't spread as thinly.

3-UNLV was the last non power Conference to win a national championship in basketball. And before you say Villanova go look at the Big East media deal vs what MWC is getting.

UNLV is not a worldwide phenomenon.

They are a fondly remembered team for people in their 40s and 50s.

And without knowing it, you proved my point in another post. When I asked you who MWC should poach.

If conference doesn't matter, why would any of those schools leave their conference to join a new MWC. Why not just stay put if it doesn't matter...

dcut03 · 2024-09-22T14:25:37-0600

LVRebel2000 said:
What do OSU and WSU qualify as for the playoff format this year? Do they get one of the "P5" spots as a conference winner? I'm guessing they dont, so in that case, would they be considered a G5 team, and need to be the highest ranked G5? I'm a bit unclear on where they fall in this

I think they will have to make it as an at large that 12th spot is for thr 5th highest rated conference champion. The PAC doesn't count as a conference this year. So they basically have to be at least top 11 in the playoff ranking, maybe higher depending on the other conference champions

TimothyC3 · 2024-09-22T14:21:18-0600

This is my prediction when it comes to the playoffs. G5 conference affiliation will have little impact. What will matter is wins against the P4. Odom was clever in his scheduling. He is the only G5 program to schedule 3 P4 opponents and the only G5 school that is 2-0 on the road against the P4. Syracuse is important. A win at home UNLV will be 3-0 against the P4 and it doesn’t matter whether they are a member of the MWC, MAC or AAC. What will matter is a 3-0 record against the P4. Assuming equal win-loss at the end of the year at say 11-1 and UNLV is one of 2-3 G5 with the same record, UNLV will get the nod.

Boston Rebel 2 · 2024-09-22T14:15:22-0600

1Tripoda said:
BSU and SDSU are getting their shares enlarged. That is they do...do you want to be a part of that?

Depends on if we get an equal share and if we have to pay fees.

Boston Rebel 2 · 2024-09-22T14:11:57-0600

LocoRebel said:
They lost by 3 on a walk off field goal to the team #8. It's not ridiculous at all.

The loss column is exceptionally over valued in CFB rankings. They ran for almost 350 and passed for over 250 vs Portland State having 1 turnover, low penalties/yards, and 70% 3rd down conversion. They won by 42. They did what they needed to do. The beat GASO on the road in what was a game I think most of us would have assumed they rolled a little easier.

One quality loss does not exceed two quality wins.

1Tripoda · 2024-09-22T14:11:48-0600

Boston Rebel 2 said:
I think we should stay and collect the PAC fees then try to get a vote for enough teams to dissolve to go to the AAC unless the PAC pays our fees.

BSU and SDSU are getting their shares enlarged. That is they do...do you want to be a part of that?

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