Who is your top choice to replace KK?

[Rosegreen1]

People forget that Iowa State could barely afford TJOs buyout at UNLV. They did some money gymnastics with his contract at ISU.

It was a similar situation as we are in right now with giant contracts going out to Mullen, Kevin Kruger buyout etc.

Sometimes you got to go all in for the guy you want, if TJO didn’t pan out in Ames, the AD would be a sure fire goner. It worked out well for them, now we got to get the guy that fits Vegas. (Bucky or Wade).

 

[cducker68]

Bucky Ball games scoring 100 or more points = 5
The fired guy games scoring 100 or more points = 0

Bucky Ball games scoring 90 - 99 points = 5
The fired guy games scoring 90 - 99 points = 1

Bucky Ball games scoring 80 - 89 points = 9
The fired guy games scoring 80 - 89 points = 2

See the trend here this past season. Wouldn't it be nice to see us score some points instead of wishing for better days.

Been brick city tho for couple years. Gotta get some shooters...none of this "greedy thomas" with little options. daniels was a distributor in comparison to this style of play.

 

[Couev]

Been brick city tho for couple years. Gotta get some shooters...none of this "greedy thomas" with little options. daniels was a distributor in comparison to this style of play.

That's definitely been true, but I think a part of the low FG% is we had an offense that doesn't actually create any open shots.

Regardless of what statistic or advanced metric you look at the only offensive state where we're in the top half of all college teams is in offensive rating, at 157/364 and 2PA at 155/364 (and FT/FTA but that's not always indicative of actual offense) it's just barely.

FG - 308th
FGA - 319th
FG% - 221st
2P - 203rd
2PA - 155th
2P% - 269th
3P - 320th
3pA - 334th
3P% - 225th
ORB - 281st
TRB - 261st
AST - 291st
PPG - 299th
TOV - 72nd
ORTG - 157th
ATMP - 268th
FBRKPTS - 256th
EFG% - 261st
A/TO - 194th
RBMargin - 265th


Those are bad numbers, but you could tolerate them if you were a super strong defensive team, but we were only a slightly above average team, and that is just as much a factor of our pace as anything else.

OPPFG% - 93rd
OPP2P% - 183rd
OPP3P% - 82nd
DRB - 151st
STL - 211th
BLK - 124th
TOFOrced - 192nd
DRTG - 59th
TOVMargin - 115th


IF you didn't watch a single game this year (lucky you), this tells you the story of Kevin Kruger's style. We slow the ball down, we shoot it poorly, we don't share or get good shots and we value ball security over offense, but at our offensive pace we are punished much more for each TO. Our points are only as high as they are because we draw a decent amount of fouls and shoot a lot of free throws. On defense we bend don't break, don't pressure the ball but play adequate defense. This season was as unpalatable brand of basketball as I've seen at UNLV. If you look at the low water mark years--Grg/Howie/Cle we averaged 10 more points a game with much better shooting but much poorer defense. Bayno's first year was as close as I can get on metrics, and that was a team where guys like Eddie Corbet, Kevin James, and Chancellor Davis were getting a TON of minutes and your front court was 6'7" Tony Lane, 6'4" Warren Rosegreen, and 6'5" Clayton Johnson or Menzie's first year where homeboy had lost everyone after Beard cleared them out. Even Rice's last 2 years which were poor for him were still better statistically.

This was one of the 3 worst offensive teams ever at UNLV. Ever.

 

[Boston Rebel 2]

That's definitely been true, but I think a part of the low FG% is we had an offense that doesn't actually create any open shots.

Regardless of what statistic or advanced metric you look at the only offensive state where we're in the top half of all college teams is in offensive rating, at 157/364 and 2PA at 155/364 (and FT/FTA but that's not always indicative of actual offense) it's just barely.

FG - 308th
FGA - 319th
FG% - 221st
2P - 203rd
2PA - 155th
2P% - 269th
3P - 320th
3pA - 334th
3P% - 225th
ORB - 281st
TRB - 261st
AST - 291st
PPG - 299th
TOV - 72nd
ORTG - 157th
ATMP - 268th
FBRKPTS - 256th
EFG% - 261st
A/TO - 194th
RBMargin - 265th


Those are bad numbers, but you could tolerate them if you were a super strong defensive team, but we were only a slightly above average team, and that is just as much a factor of our pace as anything else.

OPPFG% - 93rd
OPP2P% - 183rd
OPP3P% - 82nd
DRB - 151st
STL - 211th
BLK - 124th
TOFOrced - 192nd
DRTG - 59th
TOVMargin - 115th


IF you didn't watch a single game this year (lucky you), this tells you the story of Kevin Kruger's style. We slow the ball down, we shoot it poorly, we don't share or get good shots and we value ball security over offense, but at our offensive pace we are punished much more for each TO. Our points are only as high as they are because we draw a decent amount of fouls and shoot a lot of free throws. On defense we bend don't break, don't pressure the ball but play adequate defense. This season was as unpalatable brand of basketball as I've seen at UNLV. If you look at the low water mark years--Grg/Howie/Cle we averaged 10 more points a game with much better shooting but much poorer defense. Bayno's first year was as close as I can get on metrics, and that was a team where guys like Eddie Corbet, Kevin James, and Chancellor Davis were getting a TON of minutes and your front court was 6'7" Tony Lane, 6'4" Warren Rosegreen, and 6'5" Clayton Johnson or Menzie's first year where homeboy had lost everyone after Beard cleared them out. Even Rice's last 2 years which were poor for him were still better statistically.

This was one of the 3 worst offensive teams ever at UNLV. Ever.

Didn't watch a game start to finish this year. Sounds like I didn't miss much. Though that is true of NCAA hoops in general the whole NIL thing for basketball in particular has steeply declined my interest in the sport.

 

[dcut03]

He wasn’t staying here, never intended on staying here, was always going to go to B12. UNLV was a very convenient stopping ground, there was enough to grease the necessary moves. He ended up in a better spot, so did DRF, and so did KK … which of those three did such a good job that they elevate far above what their previous performance showed. She had Arroyo under her belt and Otz. KK had a little asst coaching. Otz had a failure at UNLV.

Some know how to slickly move behind the scenes. And UNLV … I said this way before that non-sense occurred, is the drunk girl that was slipped rohypnol. UNLV is known as an easy target.

He’s the first coach in UNLV history that failed upward, and dramatically at that. He was below 500 here and then he goes on to a power conference. He was bad here, but gets a prime job?

His last year here was objectively bad, but given how things played out, he basically gave up early in the season since he knew he was leaving. The other years were meh, but he was starting from scratch.

I saw promise in him, because you could see how his system would work. I remember time where we would get good looks, but couldn't convert. We also were not very athletic early that that hurt our defense and rebounding. But that was changing.

I agree this was going to be a Pit stop, I just don't even he thought it would be such a quick Pit stop. Again, if he knew he was leaving why sign guys like Kaluma or Zaon?

If we don't want a coach to use UNLV as a pit stop we shouldn't try to hire younger coaches. We shouldn't have hired Odom, or Mullen and only go for old dudes looking to semi retire.

 

[dcut03]

Considering how Pitino has done, I would say the fans were 100% correct!

So it is Jay Wright or bust, then?

Sorry, we can Pitino senior in the mix too, because of course he would come here now. Because reasons!!

Hey if you love misery, setting up unrealistic expections will definitely keep you there.

 

[dcut03]

Also Looky here,

TJ Otzelberger?

Wow. Nothing screams "success" like TJ Otzelberger. Right, guys? I mean...RIGHT?!?! Lmao.

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Mike Daum on Otz/UNLV

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Is the End

of the end today? The slow continual decline of our once proud program, the inglorious bastards of CBB, will come to an end with a soft thud with the hire of a nobody coach? Today may cement UNLV along side USF and Depaul. We’ve fought the cancer for years but the patient may just finally accept...

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These are all threads from the day Otz was hired. "Mixed" at best. Mostly negative. He is a "no-name", he isn't Thad Matta.
No mention anywhere that he will leave us for greener pastures. Anywhere.

Again he wasn't good enough and a terrible hire because Rebel Net knows all.

Beard was similar, but there was more talk about him being here temporarily, reservations since his track record was somewhat short up to that point. Which were fair points. But none of that was talked about with Otz

 

[Masked_rebel]

Also Looky here,

TJ Otzelberger?

Wow. Nothing screams "success" like TJ Otzelberger. Right, guys? I mean...RIGHT?!?! Lmao.

unlv.forums.rivals.com

Mike Daum on Otz/UNLV

unlv.forums.rivals.com

Is the End

of the end today? The slow continual decline of our once proud program, the inglorious bastards of CBB, will come to an end with a soft thud with the hire of a nobody coach? Today may cement UNLV along side USF and Depaul. We’ve fought the cancer for years but the patient may just finally accept...

unlv.forums.rivals.com

These are all threads from the day Otz was hired. "Mixed" at best. Mostly negative. He is a "no-name", he isn't Thad Matta.
No mention anywhere that he will leave us for greener pastures. Anywhere.

Again he wasn't good enough and a terrible hire because Rebel Net knows all.

Beard was similar, but there was more talk about him being here temporarily, reservations since his track record was somewhat short up to that point. Which were fair points. But none of that was talked about with Otz

Fair points indeed. I think the conventional wisdom for Beard was he was only going to be here 1 season, just like his previous stops but that meant NCAA tournament. I liked the Otz hire. I thought it was out of left field because it wasn't the "big name" but when you looked at the record and the upward travel, he was one of that seasons coaching darlings with that we could actually get. The whole ISU situation just like the Texas Tech job opening made both hires look worse than they were on paper. However both stuck us with terrible options in Kevin and Marvin and that makes it look worse.