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[Loyal Coug1]

Until we know if they were in active negotiations we don't know if they were 'up against it'.
They just did a schedule in a similiar amount of time.
They could go independent, but that would mean all that sweet sweet settlement money they got for being left behind goes bye bye.

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Uh, what? If WSU (and OSU) went independent, and the Pac ceased to exist, we would lose the remaining ~$15M each in future NCAA BB credits. Except for the 1/12 share we would get. $2.5M

 

[bcvegaspt2]

Why on earth would any new D1 university president be "anti-athletics" in today's world..

Same reason as during Tark's era: Ego.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Same reason as during Tark's era: Ego.

That was a different time. College athletics didn't have the same financial impacts it does today.

 

[dcut03]

Until we know if they were in active negotiations we don't know if they were 'up against it'.
They just did a schedule in a similiar amount of time.
They could go independent, but that would mean all that sweet sweet settlement money they got for being left behind goes bye bye.

I have every reason to believe the PAC being reformed was in the works before the schedule agreement. It didn't just 'pop up' after that fell through. MWC schools were the target. BSU and SDSU behind it. Boise has sued the MWC multiple times. SDSU has tried to leave multiple times.

Unless you are of the opinion that OSU and WSU would be willing to part with 100s of million in settlement money to just join the MWC. Here Gloria here's a 10 million dollar severance package to step aside is infinitely cheaper than the money being burned to date.

They aren't sympathetic figures in any way.

Again you cannot compare how they came up with the schedules, because it wasn't the same amount of time.

They were in flux, still campaigning hard to be picked up by better conferences. This past season, they probably started working on schedules immediately after signing the scheduling agreement with the MW. Because it was a bad deal for them, and the nearly entire extra year helped them for this upcoming season.

No one thinks the PAC are geniuses by any means. But your stance that they plenty of other options, but somehow willingly chose their path is just ridiculous. They are paying over 3 times market value for home games, and PAYING for away games where they normally would be getting paid for standard OOC games. Then they sign an agreement that at the very least makes it VERY, VERY difficult to unleash their master plan of poaching our teams. Why do that? If it was so easy to schedule a full slate of FBS teams to keep bowl eligibility. It just doesn't make any sense.

Or.. gasp.. they really didn't have any other option, AND keep bowl eligibility. They can only play 1 FCS level team and still be bowl eligible. Perhaps they were somewhat under duress, because if they weren't, their decision to do the path that they did is the dumbest thing ever.

Sure, I agree that they wanted to expand with MW teams before the agreement. I do think they thought maybe a reverse merger would work, but they would have to boot out certain teams to make financial sense for them, and I am guessing that didn't go anywhere. A reverse merger where they would keep most or all of the War chest was probably something they were willing to do was likely an option for them.

They got absolutely screwed by the PAC, no way around it. That brings some level of sympathy. They fact some some of the most valuable teams in the west coast leave for 6.5 mill a piece absolutely crippling their conference, though the MW is basically asking 29 million a piece for a much less drastic scenario. You can see somewhat where they are coming from.

 

[LVRebel2000]

I get both sides up it. Ultimately I don’t care about the Pac or the MWC. We could leave the MWC tomorrow and I would shed no tears for those left behind.

I’m hoping Harper is going through that requirement list from the big12 with the purpose of punching done boxes. He knows what UNLV needs.

I am a bit worried that the next President will be anti athletics and push to cut the changes Harper has been making.

Amen to this. UNLV has changed conferences multiple times in the past 30 years. Whether it's the Big West, WAC, Mountain West, or whatever, I don't really care. I care about UNLV and want what's best for the school, not necessarily the conference.

I think that most would agree that a conference that pays us more long term will be better. However, we're at an interesting time right now, where staying in the MW, even if it's just for a few years, may be better for us even while collecting less money, than going to the PAC. Time will tell though. If UNLV stays in or close to the top 25 in football for the next 2-3 years, and increases attendance and media value, I could definitely see UNLV getting an invitation to the Big 12. There's no guarantees though. And if that doesn't happen, I would guess that there would be an opportunity to join the PAC at a later date when the MW media contract winds down.

 

[Masked_rebel]

Again you cannot compare how they came up with the schedules, because it wasn't the same amount of time.

They were in flux, still campaigning hard to be picked up by better conferences. This past season, they probably started working on schedules immediately after signing the scheduling agreement with the MW. Because it was a bad deal for them, and the nearly entire extra year helped them for this upcoming season.

No one thinks the PAC are geniuses by any means. But your stance that they plenty of other options, but somehow willingly chose their path is just ridiculous. They are paying over 3 times market value for home games, and PAYING for away games where they normally would be getting paid for standard OOC games. Then they sign an agreement that at the very least makes it VERY, VERY difficult to unleash their master plan of poaching our teams. Why do that? If it was so easy to schedule a full slate of FBS teams to keep bowl eligibility. It just doesn't make any sense.

Or.. gasp.. they really didn't have any other option, AND keep bowl eligibility. They can only play 1 FCS level team and still be bowl eligible. Perhaps they were somewhat under duress, because if they weren't, their decision to do the path that they did is the dumbest thing ever.

Sure, I agree that they wanted to expand with MW teams before the agreement. I do think they thought maybe a reverse merger would work, but they would have to boot out certain teams to make financial sense for them, and I am guessing that didn't go anywhere. A reverse merger where they would keep most or all of the War chest was probably something they were willing to do was likely an option for them.

They got absolutely screwed by the PAC, no way around it. That brings some level of sympathy. They fact some some of the most valuable teams in the west coast leave for 6.5 mill a piece absolutely crippling their conference, though the MW is basically asking 29 million a piece for a much less drastic scenario. You can see somewhat where they are coming from.

Or maybe they were 2 of the markets that the Pac kept afloat, above their market value for years simply due to regional relationships. much like they wanted to cut the deadweight from the MWC, the Pac 12 teams disbanding and getting better offers without them really showed their market value...

 

[Gator 82]

My point was the PAC is claiming duress. That they had no other option but to sign the scheduling agreement.

Im saying they were not under duress they had options.

They could have negotiated a scheduling agreement with CUSA or the SBC.

They could have simply gone independent schedules like they did this year.

or

They could have chosen to go independent altogether. But there's no way they were giving up those millions.

'If the Pac-12 were to dissolve before the end of the 2026 fiscal year, any remaining conference assets would be shared pro rata among the departing and remaining schools (OSU and WSU). This suggests that the settlement money and other assets might need to be distributed among all 12 original members, depending on the terms of dissolution'

That suggests that OSU and WSU either rebuild the PAC within the 2 year grace period or potentially have to redistribute the funds awarded.

Anybody on here thst thinks the idea to rebuild the PAC started after the scheduling agreement was signed is naive. Those talks started before the scheduling agreement. WSU/OSU were sitting on a pile of money that they won contingent upon rebuilding the PAC. Or am I reading the terms of the settlement wrong.

If you go to a payday loan company and take out a loan and sign the contract at 125% interest, one might argue that they only took out the loan under duress because of a financial or potential hardship, but it doesn’t make the contract any less binding or legal and you don’t get to claim that you no longer can afford to repay the debt because you were forced to do so under duress.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

If you go to a payday loan company and take out a loan and sign the contract at 125% interest, one might argue that they took out the loan under duress because of a financial or potential hardship, but it doesn’t make the contract any less binding or legal and you don’t get to claim that you cannot afford to repay the debt because you were forced to do so under duress.

Thank you!
That's what I'm saying!

MWC was under no obligations to 'play nice'.

 

[Rebel1986]

Same reason as during Tark's era: Ego.

My expectation is that with the out of control NIL money and other sources of payments for professional athletes on college teams, you are going to see more schools start scaling back in the athletic departments. While most major programs are still chasing the dream, the same is not so true with many of the smaller schools.

 

[RebelinWA]

Why on earth would any new D1 university president be "anti-athletics" in today's world.. it's not early 90s landscape and with a nearly 30k enrollment and sprawling campus, b3ing anti-athletic seems like an automatic disqualification for the job.

San Jose State has more enrollment than we do, but they spend far less. Some presidents only care about academics. Some presidents like the idea of winning more that the cost and commitment winning requires.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

My point was the PAC is claiming duress. That they had no other option but to sign the scheduling agreement.

Im saying they were not under duress they had options.

They could have negotiated a scheduling agreement with CUSA or the SBC or stayed in talks with them throughout to find the best deal for them.

They could have simply gone independent schedules like they did this year.

or

They could have chosen to go independent altogether. But there's no way they were giving up those millions.

'If the Pac-12 were to dissolve before the end of the 2026 fiscal year, any remaining conference assets would be shared pro rata among the departing and remaining schools (OSU and WSU). This suggests that the settlement money and other assets might need to be distributed among all 12 original members, depending on the terms of dissolution'

That suggests that OSU and WSU either rebuild the PAC within the 2 year grace period or potentially have to redistribute the funds awarded.

Anybody on here thst thinks the idea to rebuild the PAC started after the scheduling agreement was signed is naive. Those talks started before the scheduling agreement. WSU/OSU were sitting on a pile of money that they won contingent upon rebuilding the PAC. Or am I reading the terms of the settlement wrong.

Where did you get that quote above? I had not seen that before. If accurate I stand somewhat corrected (a rarity for me! ). Regardless, I presume the Pac-2 would/will drain it's coffers on June 29, 2026 if necessary, leaving only the BB credits. It is already doing a good job of that. Only question I have is exactly when do the big payments (RB $ and BB credit payments) actually arrive? Before June 30?

 

[bcvegaspt2]

Amen to this. UNLV has changed conferences multiple times in the past 30 years. Whether it's the Big West, WAC, Mountain West, or whatever, I don't really care. I care about UNLV and want what's best for the school, not necessarily the conference.

I think that most would agree that a conference that pays us more long term will be better. However, we're at an interesting time right now, where staying in the MW, even if it's just for a few years, may be better for us even while collecting less money, than going to the PAC. Time will tell though. If UNLV stays in or close to the top 25 in football for the next 2-3 years, and increases attendance and media value, I could definitely see UNLV getting an invitation to the Big 12. There's no guarantees though. And if that doesn't happen, I would guess that there would be an opportunity to join the PAC at a later date when the MW media contract winds down.

Or we join AFA in the AAC. At least there we'd get Tulane and Memphis (if nothing changes).

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Where did you get that quote above? I had not seen that before. If accurate I stand somewhat corrected (a rarity for me! ). Regardless, I presume the Pac-2 would/will drain it's coffers on June 29, 2026 if necessary, leaving only the BB credits. It is already doing a good job of that. Only question I have is exactly when do the big payments (RB $ and BB credit payments) actually arrive? Before June 30?

Disregard that quote. It was posted by a dude from an AI search response, and speculative.

There's no firm reporting on what happens to that money.

Jumped the gun there.

 

[Gator 82]

Or we join AFA in the AAC. At least there we'd get Tulane and Memphis (if nothing changes).

Right now AAC members are getting around $7 million a year and there media deal runs through the 31-32 season. If AF and UNLV were to join, I think they would almost double what they’re getting now. And I’m only saying that because the AAC had a 12 year deal that began in the 20-21 season. I think they are extremely undervalued right now and the additions of AF and UNLV can only increase their worth.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Disregard that quote. It was posted by a dude from an AI search response, and speculative.

There's no firm reporting on what happens to that money.

Jumped the gun there.

Got it. Probably a moot point anyway, the way the Pac-2 is plowing through money.

Now that the 5 Traitors have paid their deposits, whassup with mediation? My guess is nothing, and that Gloria and gang are saying "see ya in court". So probably nothing but crickets on any front until July 1. On which date I assume the SunBelt exit fees double from the current $5M? Although I can't find anything to confirm that. I say Sun Belt because of Texas State of course. C-USA fees (NMSU) don't amount to shit so not a big concern there.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Got it. Probably a moot point anyway, the way the Pac-2 is plowing through money.

Now that the 5 Traitors have paid their deposits, whassup with mediation? My guess is nothing, and that Gloria and gang are saying "see ya in court". So probably nothing but crickets on any front until July 1. On which date I assume the SunBelt exit fees double from the current $5M? Although I can't find anything to confirm that. I say Sun Belt because of Texas State of course. C-USA fees (NMSU) don't amount to shit so not a big concern there.

PAC adds Texas State. and? I think they want to get to 9 in football for scheduling reasons. So football only is an option there.

MWC adds NDSU and? Could be done after NDSU. But I don't think they are. I think Montana schools could be in play to get a whole block of schools in that region. Not big markets but you would own those markets outright.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

Right now AAC members are getting around $7 million a year and there media deal runs through the 31-32 season. If AF and UNLV were to join, I think they would almost double what they’re getting now. And I’m only saying that because the AAC had a 12 year deal that began in the 20-21 season. I think they are extremely undervalued right now and the additions of AF and UNLV can only increase their worth.

Im not sure about undervalued now. Not saying you're wrong just that deal was finalized with Houston, UCF, Cincy, SMU still in the fold. Thats a lot of big markets to lose.

AAC definitely more value than MWC totally agree there.

I think for UNLV/AFA to jump they'd probably need a couple more travel partners to absorb those travel costs.

I think Rebs are in the MWC for the foreseeable future. For better or worse.

 

[Gator 82]

Im not sure about undervalued now. Not saying you're wrong just that deal was finalized with Houston, UCF, Cincy, SMU still in the fold. Thats a lot of big markets to lose.

AAC definitely more value than MWC totally agree there.

I think for UNLV/AFA to jump they'd probably need a couple more travel partners to absorb those travel costs.

I think Rebs are in the MWC for the foreseeable future. For better or worse.

You’re right, I completely forgot about those schools leaving the AAC.

 

[Bullmastiff 1]

You’re right, I completely forgot about those schools leaving the AAC.

Yeah they definitely took a hit there.

Thats why the PAC early leaks of a 15mil per media deal seemed super inflated to me.

I mean at the time of the AAC deal UCF was rolling under Scott Frost (big Florida market), Cincy was rolling, big East Coast market plus solid basketball. Houston was top 25 under Herman and in massive market, SMU was really starting to get things turned around. Three of those four were doing what Boise did this year. Plus Memphis and Tulane.

That version of the AAC was better than what the PAC has now in my opinion.

 

[Gator 82]

Yeah they definitely took a hit there.

Thats why the PAC early leaks of a 15mil per media deal seemed super inflated to me.

I mean at the time if the AAC deal UCF was rolling under Scott Frost (big Florida market), Cincy was rolling, big East Coast market plus solid basketball. Houston was top 25 under Herman and in massive market, SMU was really starting to get things turned around. Three of those four were doing what Boise did this year. Plus Memphis and Tulane.

That version of the AAC was better than what the PAC has now in my opinion.

100%. If the old AAC can only garner $7 million per school, the nPac would be lucky to get that, but it’s a crazy world now and nothing would surprise me

 

[bcvegaspt2]

Isn’t there a deadline for the pac to pay fees? Doesn’t interest accrue effective a certain date if they haven’t paid by then?

 

[LocoRebel]

Or maybe they were 2 of the markets that the Pac kept afloat, above their market value for years simply due to regional relationships. much like they wanted to cut the deadweight from the MWC, the Pac 12 teams disbanding and getting better offers without them really showed their market value...

This is how I have always thought about it. There's no reason for them to have been in the Pac as long as they were. They were both generally non competitive between fb, mbb, and wbb over generations.

They were stood up by being alongside the regional northern schools that, along with LA, ent to the Big 10.

 

[Meister_Rebel]

Isn’t there a deadline for the pac to pay fees? Doesn’t interest accrue effective a certain date if they haven’t paid by then?

Regarding the Poaching Fees they had 30 days from the date they announced they were going to poach. Interest does accrue.

 

[RebelinWA]

Regarding the Poaching Fees they had 30 days from the date they announced they were going to poach. Interest does accrue.

Hoping the interest is structured like a payday loan.