PAC supposedly wants Gonzaga and St Mary's. I don't see Big 12 happening best case scenario is the PAC which is probably lateral from the MWC or maybe slightly better. The AAC without Memphis and Tulane is a huge drop off.
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If you have been paying attention, they have had a notable increase in interest in football. This year their Attendance numbers are down because they have to play in a soccer stadium and they are totally upgrading their on campus football stadium.
Like I said, Illinois drew 112k for their first game, and 814k against Kansas. in primetime on a Saturday with other big games competing for eyeballs.
Kansas fans are watching.
I mean they're 1-2 this year, but they lost by 15 @ #15 Oklahom, and lost by 7 at home against #13 KState. They did change coaching staffs this last year (and we beat the team that staff went to on the road) but have been playing pretty well even without the Ws. In addition they're a really good academic school--but only really have okay market penetration in Nawluns. Saints and Bayou Bengals I think are more represented in that media market.
The SEC and BIG have had every other conference in checkmate for the past 5+ years. The BIG12 and the ACC will have no choice to pick off the top G5's in order to buy atleast another 5-10 years of relevance. If both conferences were smart, they'd start adding more G5s now so it doesn't look like desperation when their top programs dip to the final 2. In order to do that, they have to find the programs that will impact their media package the least. That's the point they are at. Travel will also come into play. If UNLV can get that playoff spot, we'd be in great position. Even more so than SDSU, FSU, and CSU. BSU however, has always brought in the viewership, but lack the academics and would strain the travel expenses. I think we're sitting in a perfect situation for a 12 addition geographically and financially. I sincerely believe this.
I also believe a PAC invite is inevitable should the 12 decide not to be proactive this go around.
I also believe a PAC invite is inevitable should the 12 decide not to be proactive this go around.
Currently UNLV is 2-0 against the Big12 with even less money in comparison to 1/2 share.
Guys read the ESPN article. Your head will spin.
The traitors were among us.
UNLV was not in the plans.
MWC commissioner is an IDIOT of epic proportions.
The traitors were among us.
UNLV was not in the plans.
MWC commissioner is an IDIOT of epic proportions.
Haven't read it yet. But so you mean this one from. Early today?
'We had no sense this was coming': Inside the Pac-12's four-team expansion
From 12 to 2 to 6 schools and counting, here's how the foremost western conference stayed alive.
BeignetsWhy are people keep mentioning Tulane? They lost their coaching staff to Houston, a Big 12 member which UNLV soundly beat? How have their fared this year?
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What else is important? Their facilities?
Says who? I have read nothing other than message board comments about Gonzaga and nothing about St. Mary's. As I've said before, WSU hates Gonzaga. We don't want them.
Yes, thats the one being referred to... Frankly put, those 4 schools absolutely F***** their conference friends and instead of holding strong to get the Pac 12 brand they believe they are superior to every other program in the MWC. Maybe now we'll get a few fair whistles in basketball this season...
Haven't read it yet. But so you mean this one from. Early today?
'We had no sense this was coming': Inside the Pac-12's four-team expansion
From 12 to 2 to 6 schools and counting, here's how the foremost western conference stayed alive.
That's the one and Holy crap...
You were correct we had a traitor in our midst. It wasn't that we let the foxes in the hen houses. They were already there.
I no longer believe you are a sleeper agent. 😀
And our commissioner got absolutely bamboozled..
I have solace in the fact SDSU has f**ked up every time they've attempted to change conferences.
From their intention to keep the Pac12 name. I see a 6 west 6 midwest/south makeup. UNLV doesn't fit that mold, but I'm not sure what tv partner is going to latch on to Pac12 now and for what amount of money? Apple was the only taker with the old Pac12 for the amount of money they sought last year. I guess it will be more that the MWC, but why? I really hope it's a CW/TNT/TruTV/History Channel deal.
UNLV has been and needs to continue to be proactive and look out for itself. Try to get in the AAC. That's the only option at this point.
From their intention to keep the Pac12 name. I see a 6 west 6 midwest/south makeup. UNLV doesn't fit that mold, but I'm not sure what tv partner is going to latch on to Pac12 now and for what amount of money? Apple was the only taker with the old Pac12 for the amount of money they sought last year. I guess it will be more that the MWC, but why? I really hope it's a CW/TNT/TruTV/History Channel deal.
UNLV has been and needs to continue to be proactive and look out for itself. Try to get in the AAC. That's the only option at this point.
Yeah but our commisioner spent money on a 'threatcaster'. A person who's sole job was to identify possible poaching threats from other conferences.
And it was our own conference members. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah Gloria got blindsided. And I was so looking forward to having her be the Pac-14 Commissioner. And I will say again, I do not the like the way tis came down. Screw the MW just like we got screwed. But the remaining schools have a somewhat soft landing with all the money that will be shelled out. Plus you still have 2 full seasons as a conference, then the 2-year grace period. So no hurry at all to do something drastic.
For UNLV (and AF), don't give up yet. The timing of the poaching payment, and possibly getting your hands on some of it, is intriguing right there. Granted it's only about $5M per remaining team. I hold firm to the belief that a Pac offer is coming. To me we need to get UNLV and either AF or ? from the MW to solidify at 8. Then these Memphis/Tulane/directional Texas notions can be put on the backburner for awhile.
WSU's games with BSU, Fresno and SDSU have taken on a whole new meaning. Wish we were playing you guys too.
The threatcaster is the reason the poaching provision with the Pac2 was put in place. Guess they underestimated what the poaching fee should have been. $10M/team should have been the price.
If we want to go to the AAC, we better be sure. It’s $18 million to get to the AAC. It would be another $18 million to get out of the AAC if something else better were to come along. That’s a boatload of cash for our program.
True..Still funny (not ha ha funny) that it still happened despite it.
Rumors starting to surface on Reddit /cfb that a PAC 12 meeting is scheduled for this week. Possible decisions on expansion.
Considering UNLV is the only ranked team in the MWC or PAC, I am not concerned about the future of UNLV.
This article states pretty much what I thought. I did not know about the "threatcaster" that is pretty funny.
Also it does make me laugh a bit that the MW tried to raise the price on the Pac 12 for that second year of the scheduling agreement. They obviously took that well!
As for jumping to the ACC, I agree with Warthog. No reason to rush. Something better may come up, and I think the PAC is better for sure. We don't need to announce that anytime soon.
This was an objective decision and UNLV was not one of those top 4 media markets. Simple as that. I think we have all, myself included, overestimated the power of being in Las Vegas. Market penetration matters, and no one knows that better than the media companies themselves.
So what is next, show up and watch games. Hell I saw that recording a game also counts with Nielson Ratings. . So record games that you go to, it helps ratings. Tell you friends. Sneak to your inlaws TVs and set it their DVR to record all UNLV content and don't tell them. We need to show everyone, especially the Big 12, that UNLV can have fans and are worth the investment.
Also of course go to games. Yes this includes basketball. If you care about UNLV athletics our window is maybe less than a year right now to either be truly upgraded or left in the dust.
A board member I spoke with who supposedly got info from someone involved.
People keep talking about media markets as they are and the smart media people behind the scenes influencing all these decisions, if they are that smart (and i believe some of them are), then they’d understand the value of adding a decent media market along with a better overall brand and how that elevates the “decent” media market.
Does that put things over the top for someone like the B12? Maybe not, but…
Any road game at UNLV suddenly becomes THE road game to attend for opponents. Not ideal if you’re UNLV but you’re happy to sell the seats. More people in stadiums creates better TV. Add to that the influence a conference like the B12 would have to actually create more eyeballs on TVs within that “decent” market… you think UNLV vs BYU, Utah, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, or almost any other opponent in the B12 wouldn’t pretty much double viewership within that “decent” market? When UNLV stinks who the hell cares about Utah State, San Jose State, CSU, pretty much everyone but Boise?
I just find it hard to believe that none of that would be considered.
I’d also toss in that right now the hierarchy of conferences goes SEC and B10… then B12… then ACC. When the SEC and B10 start looking to expand again they’ll be coming after more B12 schools than ACC… adding a couple teams from the west makes sense to guard against future defections.
I like the way you think.
And I’d call you a genius but it’s obvious. Even stepping back and looking at it with a wide lens …
Thanks… I just keep having this overarching thought that there’s no way the “market” is going to be completely overlooked. I know that the past isn’t a great prognosticator, but there is absolutely value to be mined.
Problem is, if market was a big deal, SDSU should have been in the BIG 12 by now.
Some says that Big12 did offer but with stipulations that SUDS cannot fulfilled or accept.
The weird thing with the whole "market" size is that a lot of schools with big fan bases aren't in big media markets. It's the fact that they've been around for a long time, and have generational fans that support the team. That, IMO, is the biggest strike against UNLV. We had it for basketball but blew it. Football is in the works.
Texas A&M is basically in a city that only supports the school itself.
Oregon is in Eugene (pop. 178,000)
Notre Dame is in South Bend, IN with a population around 100,000
Oklahoma is in Stillwater, with a population of 50,000
But those schools have been around a long time, and have alumni all over the country that support them. UNLV has a shorter history, so obviously, a smaller alumni base. Plus, the school admin has been horrible over the last 20-30 years.
Don't forget that ESPN bought all the media rights from the NCAA for Women's Basketball. In the next year or two Women's basketball will be a revenue sport. The way our women have dominated the MWC and with our coach I see us bringing in some good money in the near future. ESPN also bought some rights to other women's sports from the NCAA that they will be televising. AAC having their media rights with ESPN will be a huge plus for us. I hope our administration takes a good look at us going to the AAC. It may help expand our Women's basketball recruiting footprint which never hurts.
A Board member. What Board? The Nevada Regents?
On a similar note, my neighbor's daughters' friend said Haitians ate her cat.
Just funning. The six-Pac needs to cut the deal to get up to 8. F- Tulane and Memphis and anyone else east of Mountain time. Get UNLV and whoever else. AF, Wyoming in desperation UNR or UNM. Wish I could say SJSU but with their f-ed stadium and lack of interested fans they suck other than location. BUT if they have a plan to build up their stadium, and being in the same market with disinterested CalFurd, maybe they are a viable option. We just need to get to 8 and take a deep breath.
Don't give SJSU shit for their stadium. It's been undergoing renovation for years. You think it's easy building on a major fault line.
I jest. I don't know if there is a fault line there. But, they did spend $70 million on renovation.
Just for the sake of saying it, I like what sjsu has done/is doing with their stadium. Only went for one UNLV game and boy did it feel empty. They recognize that, upgrade facilities, do something unique, and create false demand by limiting ticket numbers. Not bad actually!
Is that an Ikea or a Auto Dealership they have on the side of the stadium?
I'm assuming you say that facetiously, but if case you aren't
$70 million, 55,000 sq ft, football M/W soccer home.
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