Unlv & Air Force in contact w/AAC
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Oregon State:
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2023 5-4
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2020 1-3
2019 3-6
For this round of media deals yes.
That contract was written when UH, UCF and Cincy were there. If Tulane, Memphis, and rumors of UTSA and USF leaving are true, there's absolutely no way they get the same deal again.
"With the CFP"
What does that mean?
You can't factor in getting into the CFP for the annual contract. You gotta get there first buddy.
Legacy schools keep their 7 mil for now, the newest members are getting less, with a promise to even out eventually.
You aren't getting 7 mil again after you lose your 4 best teams/markets. Even less if you get poached again.
Yup...There's a clause ESPN will certainly use if Memphis and Tulane leave to withdraw from the contract. It was specifically added to keep from over paying for bad product. You think the MWC deal was bad, wait till you see the deal an AAC without Houston, UCONN, UCF, Cincy, Tulane, and Memphis gets... we'd be better off staying in a new MWC that adds a few teams and building our programs into super powers...
Super Powers? How exactly? You think next MWC deal will exceed current one?
Sure better than CUSA and possibly AAC but PAC deal will be better and we'll be trying to match them with less money.
He/she is not exactly wrong. You don't have to get into the CFP to make money. If you just look at the current 24/25 football season each G5 school will make about 1.8 million guaranteed from the CFP so adding the current media contract 7 million you get the 8.8 million. Once all those AAC teams leave then we are in a whole new ball game since they may lose their media contract 7 million.
So, just know that the CFP is going to pay us that money just for being a G5 school. Now the money the P4 and Notre Dame get is a whole other thing. I believe I read Notre Dame will get 12 million. And, that is for not even getting to the playoffs. The G5 schools really get crapped on with just 1.8 million
This year, if we get to a CFP semi final game we could get an additional 6 million I believe.
Staggering amount of money.
Kinda makes you think 'If I hear one word about budget shortfalls and you just got 1.8 million for simply existing, you are fired'.
It's crazy money but it's table scraps the P4 schools are giving us just to shut us up. The former AAC Commish Aresco was pissed and tried to get them to redistribute the wealth more equitably but he was out voted. But, I get your point.
Not likely but you never know. Our programs get better by winning. You think Liberty cares that thet got smoked last year... no, but they got paid and elevated their profile. Let's say we stay put and win 3 or 4 straight conference titles, win basketball, win women's basketball... Big 12 decides it's time to expand... bam...
Look, it's not ideal any of this.. but there is an incredible opportunity that we have over any other G5 left to still be able to have a good aggressive schedule out of conference and then run the conference table... Teams want to play in Vegas or against Vegas...
I know we all hate Graney equally but here is an article with quotes from former UNLV AD Livengood and MWC Commish Thompson.
www.reviewjournal.com
‘It doesn’t make sense’: Ex-college czars baffled by UNLV’s Pac-12 snub
Longtime athletic director Jim Livengood and former Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson don’t understand how UNLV was left out of Pac-12 expansion.
www.reviewjournal.com
I understand your point. Not totally disagreeing with it.
Only toiling in the CUSA or AAC or some new MWC could really set you back financially.
Winning cures a lot. No doubt. But attendance matters and I don't think a home slate of
1 P5
1 FCS
And
Sam Houston State, Sw Missouri, UTEP, LA Tech, Reno and UNM is going to excite anyone regardless of how well UNLV is playing.
(Just throwing out names of left over CUSA/AAC schools)
No, but being a consistently ranked team does... we've never experienced what a ranked UNLV football team would do for attendance... year over year...
Closest we've come recently was basketball under Rice and the Mack still had pretty decent attendance even against mediocre teams back then...
Fair..
I guess I'm thinking a bit like mid major basketball scenario.
Hey we went 27-3 in regular season!
And lost to South Western Kentucky Tech in conference tournament and didn't get an invite.
It's harder and harder the lower 'prestige' your conference has.
It almost puts you in a scenario where 1 loss season is over type position.
Liberty great story. They lose one game. After thought.
New PAC.
A team like Boise if they go 11-1 with a tough road loss to a P5 school they probably get the nod over an Undefeated CUSA team.
Good article:
www.aol.com
Go West? The next wave of realignment is in Memphis' hands
The Pac-12’s resurgence — taking four Mountain West members — has left one school, it seems, with a decision that could completely reshape the Group of Five.
www.aol.com
That is a good article. It seems like Memphis would be most likely to stay and take their chances at getting into the Big 12 or ACC, but the big question is when that shake up is going to occur. It looked like the ACC was on the verge of melt down, but now it's not looking as bad as a few months ago. And Big 12 talked about continuing, but wanted to grab some of the prime ACC teams. So if they can't get ACC schools, do they stay put with what they have?Good article:
Go West? The next wave of realignment is in Memphis' hands
The Pac-12’s resurgence — taking four Mountain West members — has left one school, it seems, with a decision that could completely reshape the Group of Five.
Or do they attempt to sabotage the plans of the new PAC and grab some or all of the Memphis/Tulane/UNLV group?
I think that UNLV and AF should be on the phone with the AAC, Memphis, and the other schools and let them know we would join them in their conference. It would keep the AAC alive. UNLV and Memphis could make a strong run each year for the CFP. It certainly help with both our strength of schedule in conference play. It would save them the 2 million dollars in travel costs if they stayed in the AAC. This would certainly give our basketball a breath of fresh air they need along with a new coach.
I believe it will be difficult to be consistently ranked if UNLV ends up in CUSA or some bastardized vs of the MWC.
You will have to schedule incredibly tough OOC. A lot of those on the road.
I just don't think it's sustainable.
I do not see how there would be any benefit for Memphis or Tulane to join the watered down PAC. The only way this could work would be if they had enough teams in the PAC on both the east and west coast, otherwise the other programs would be doing a lot of travelling across the country, not just in football, but also in all the other sports. It is unlikely that those two programs would see enough of an increase, if any, in the TV contract compared to what they currently get to offset the increased cost to the entire athletic department which would be into the millions. It appears that what will be left for the PAC is coming back to the MWC, or the few lower level schools in the American Conference, that are located in Texas or surrounding areas. These schools would include North Texas (2-1 2023 attendance 17,761), possibly Tulsa (1-2 2023 attendance 20,187), and UTSA (1-2 2023 attendance 28,876). They could also look at the Sun Belt West with Arkansas State (2-1 2023 attendance 16,747) and Texas State (2-1 2023 attendance 21,184) or Conference USA with UTEP (0-3 2023 attendance 18,160). In my believe, all of these schools are a big drop off from the current MWC with the possible exception of UTSA. The only school in the group with good attendance is UTSA. We never know what is going to happen until it happens, but I am starting to wonder if BSU and SDSU screwed the pooch again because of their ongoing greed?
I think UNLV and AFA will be risking a lot to jump to the AAC. At least anytime soon.
They would be paying 17 mil to enter a conference that could get gutted again. We would not be getting 7 mil and would likely never see a number close to that.
Memphis could say that they are staying and still leave.
Also if the aac does get gutted there is a chance that the remaining MW and AAC merge. Which would be better for UNLV. They get to NOT pay 17 mil and still get their cut of the exit fees from the other conferences.
I think this is the 3rd best case scenario after the Big 12 and the PAC
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yeah, the MW/AAC merger would make a lot of sense. All of this changing conference stuff is really annoying IMO.
I totally get the merge idea. The one thing that sucks is dragging reno into it. Can we merge without them. I mean let's just get away from them and end the bullshit discussions we have regards the BOR each time this realignment comes up.
Sure, lets offer them more media revenue so they get an additional 16 million each and we get nothing. They might go for it. CSU and Fresno and the Pac-2 can pound sand.
They would because that current contract was written with UH, CINCY, SMU, and themselves in the AAC.
That contract is going to significantly drop from its current 7 or 9 million per team.
Ross Dellenger Yahoo Sports who's pretty up on these things said early projections for new PAC deal are around 10 million.
I get your point they are just projections nothing set in stone.
But the PAC would gobble up a lot of the remaining time slots for late games out West on TV and streaming services.
You're a casual fan sitting down on a Saturday night. Last games of the day are on.
Your options are:
Arizona vs Oklahoma State
Boise State vs Washington State
New Mexico vs USU
Sure if you are a UNM or USU fan I know what you are watching. But everyone else is tuning into those other games out West.
And that's without even factoring USC and UCLA and others playing in the BIG10 now.
UNLV and the MWC are currently in a precarious spot if things continue down the path they currently travel.
Article covers Utah State but brings out much more than just them. Some interesting things mentioned in this article like UNLV and AF staying in the MWC with unequal revenue sharing as an enticement. Also, mentions some possible targets of acquisition for the MWC.
www.deseret.com
Utah State is reportedly a target for Pac-12 expansion
Utah State has been viewed as a long shot when it comes to membership in the latest version of the Pac-12 Conference, but the Aggies are reportedly not out of the running yet.
www.deseret.com
Article covers Utah State but brings out much more than just them. Some interesting things mentioned in this article like UNLV and AF staying in the MWC with unequal revenue sharing as an enticement. Also, mentions some possible targets of acquisition for the MWC.
Utah State is reportedly a target for Pac-12 expansion
Utah State has been viewed as a long shot when it comes to membership in the latest version of the Pac-12 Conference, but the Aggies are reportedly not out of the running yet.
I swear to God if Utah State got in over us.
Some rumbling on twitterverse (no actual reports) Memphis negotiations may have hit snag.
This is promising...Maybe...
www.actionnetwork.com
UNLV, Utah State Emerge as Pac-12's Top Expansion Targets if Conference Remains in Current Region
Check out Brett McMurphy's report on the Pac-12 considering adding UNLV and Utah State if it stays in its current region.
www.actionnetwork.com
Plot thickens boys.
If ACC is actually making a push for Memphis (geographically makes sense) Memphis 100% would take that over anything PAC could offer.
If, Memphis goes. They, all go.
If, Memphis stays. Will, the other 3 stay?
I guess USF is staying, regardless if Memphis goes or stays. Was, false news then.
It shows that this whole PAC expansion was not thought out at all. Who would spend $27.5 mill to join a G5 conference with the possibility of a similar TV deal.
Very possible.
Also Possible.
Pac got who they wanted initially.
Swung for fences. (Memphis)
Missed. (possibly)
And now revert to contingency plan.
McMurphy is usually a pretty good source. So that is promising. But Utah State being listed too? Things must be going bad with the AAC schools. I don’t know, it seems like that would be a disaster to pay $200 million to the MWC for that PAC line up of 6 MW teams plus WSU/OSUThis is promising...Maybe...
UNLV, Utah State Emerge as Pac-12's Top Expansion Targets if Conference Remains in Current Region
Check out Brett McMurphy's report on the Pac-12 considering adding UNLV and Utah State if it stays in its current region.
I'm seeing a lot of stuff having USF staying put. Nothing solid from like ESPN but lots of chatter.
If ACC is now pursuing Memphis (again just rumors) Memphis is 100% taking that offer..
ACC would be smart to add USF and Memphis now to be honest.
If for no other reason than bolster their ranks in case FSU ad Clemson thing goes south.
Let them rot like month old garbage.
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