This is definitely part of it. They technically dont have a conference to compete in. I also think now that theyve created a power struggle for the last 2 spots, they wont need to pay for the fees to leave, itll be on the program leaving to do so. Leverage to not be left on a sinking ship, but if youre the remaining 8, you hold strong and grab best available teams around to keep brand strong and choke off the Pac 6 till theyre forced to add Sac State and Portland St.
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Why did the PAC2 sign that deal if they had plans to do this? Its going to cost them a lot of money.
Because they couldnt get the $$ deal they demanded from the MWC. Its why they backed out of the agreement in the first place. They wanted a similar type deal that Boise got although probably much higher revenue payouts for their brand and the MWC said no and held to it... So they poached the minimum to avoid being sued completely, offered to up the payout in hopes that by the time the dust settles, the 8 teams left have destroyed themselves and there is no conference left to pay the money to. If the 8 hold together and then add the best programs left around the West/Midwest, the PacState is sunk...
I don't know. I was still hearing that OSU/WSU had a good chance of joining up with the Big 12 at the next phase of conference moves, but I guess they either didn't like that concept, or decided that they wanted to stay as a western region conference only.
Here's one to think about.
What if the Big 12 and/or ACC decided to merge with the PAC schools? It's been discussed that the PAC has top notch media equipment from running the Pac 12 TV network, and now that they have 6 schools, any of those other conferences (IF they desired to) could do a merge and pick up the western region of the US.
Snapdragon is not a second rate stadium. It's brand new, hold 35k(not bad) pretty close to Houston's. Playing in the old chargers stadium was second rate.
I might believe bullthat SDSU could turn down the Big 12 if the money was way down from the others. Future proofing if it will. UnLV will have little leverage if they take a similar deal. Which is a blessing in disguise. But we still shouldnt take a deal that will permanently make us a second rate member. Temporarily? Sure
Them guys are out of a job after the Chris Turd fiasco.
Not sure why Sac State hasn’t been invited.
Did we get left behind?
San Diego rag says UTSA, Tulane, UNT and Memphis are next.
That makes sense, though I'm surprised they go with 4 more. I would think 2
Depends on what the tv honchos want. They are the ones driving this bus. Oregon State and Wazzu were never going to merge with the MWC and its mediocre tv contract.
UNT makes even less sense than not adding UNLV other than the fact it’s in Texas. TCU pretty much owns the Ft. Worth area
UNT is in Denton, closer to Dallas than Ft Worth. But both are considered the same market.
It seems like though seventeen markets, adding teams like UTSA and UNT may dilute the bottom line a bit too much, also leaves less room for further expansion
Probably a travel partner for UTSA and it isn’t far from Dallas/Fort Worth.
It’ll give the new Pac6 access to Texas markets, along with a central time zone games.
I’m assuming the PAC is working with the CW and Fox for a media rights deal.
I think the next adds will be 2 from the AAC to get to the minimum number of 8 members to remain a conference for 2026.
Hopefully they add UNLV as #9. The only thing I can think of is that the PAC doesn’t want to pay any more exit fees to the MW. If they add UNLV after 8/2/27 it doesn’t cost them anything. Before that and it’s 12 million. Wazzu/OSU are already on the hook for 43 million for the first 4. Hopefully we come in a year later and have just 1 extra season in the new crap MWC.
Accepting MW Member Institution #4: $11,500,000 ($43,000,000aggregate)
Accepting MW Member Institution #5: $12,000,000 ($55,000,000aggregate)
Accepting MW Member Institution #6: $12,500,000 ($67,500,000aggregate)
Maybe they should sue the state is there something in writing that says Nevada has to go with them?
Hey don't blame me! I didn't want this. I wanted the full reverse merger, with Gloria as our new Commissioner.. That is well documented. Sadly, in defending the sanctity of the entire MW she apparently didn't realize that there were traitors in YOUR midst. Join the club. So now UNLV needs to figure it out and join the exodus.
Hence why UNLV tells MWC let us out now at a reduced cost because we are gone at the end of contract. You can start trying to entice other schools now. Because AF likely goes to AAC to join Army and Navy. You're left with you're smallest markets. (SJSU big market but minimal support)
MWC can get some money now, begin talks to add new schools or a merger with AAC or Conference USA or whatever.
They'll get nothing in two years from UNLV and Air Force who I think both bolt to another Conference.
Simply put it's all about pay now or pay later.
PAC strategically only took 4 MWC teams to avoid paying more in exit fees.
That UNLV wasn't one of first four is disappointing but I don't think it signals they aren't being considered or in talks.
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Nope your fault! You start posting on these boards all hey guys rooting for you! Hope we join you! MWC would be great...
Sleeper agent!
I dont know if standing pat is in the cards. You stand pat and you’re risking being stuck in a conference littered with FCS level schools or FBS startups. The next tv deal will be significantly less than the 3 million unlv currently gets.
Do we really want to be stuck in a conference with Sac State, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, New Mexico State?
Given that, I think we need to consider the possibility of going to the AAC with other members of the MWC. This will be feasible when the AAC gets raided by the PAC as well.
I dont know if standing pat is in the cards. You stand pat and you’re risking being stuck in a conference littered with FCS level schools or FBS startups. The next tv deal will be significantly less than the 3 million unlv currently gets.
Do we really want to be stuck in a conference with Sac State, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, New Mexico State?
Given that, I think we need to consider the possibility of going to the AAC with other members of the MWC. This will be feasible when the AAC gets raided by the PAC as well.
I fully believe UNLV is in the mix for the new PAC.
It's a matter of new PAC not wanting to implode the MWC and being forced to pay exorbitant exit fees.
You simply wait it out.
Doesn’t make any sense when it’s known the PAC had more than enough cash to take 6 MWC schools. They only took four and it’s already hunting in the AAC. They also can’t afford to wait it out because they need to officially add members to get started on media rights negotiations, bowl tie ins, sponsors etc.
I’m not expecting a call from the PAC, that ship sailed.
I think PAC is the fallback. They can do better.
Wasn't there some provision that the exit fee cost went up per team exiting, to stop the league from being completely dismantled?
(I thought somebody posted it here)
If now PAC or no BIG12 then UNLV athletics are fundamentally dead in the water, and that's not hyperbole.
I mean maybe join the AAC? Anybody here excited about a Conference USA schedule? I'm certainly not.
New Mexico and UNLV make better travel partners for the Big 12 West. Traditional rivals of ASU, Arizona, Utah, and BYU. Larger tv markets than all of them except for OSU in Portland area. SDSU and Fresno make sense becaue of State laws. UNLV could be held back by Nevada but then just shut it down if that is the case and the 500 million dollar investment by the state and Clark County in UNLV football is lost. So that won't happen, even the clown show in Carson City will have to bend for that and UNLV will be given green light. Texas State just lost to ASU so now we could be the G5 invitee if all the games go our way.
Can...
Will it happen though.
A limbo conference affiliation is absolutely awful for football recruiting.
Strolling into a recruits house in UNLV apparel with a BIG12 patch on it...Whole new ball game.
Geez. I take a couple of hours off to watch Texas State choke it away AT HOME (?) to ASU, have a couple of Coors Light and I come back to some serious angst. Caveat, I have no inside info on anything Coug. Just another alum.
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- Bull - I don't think imploding the MWC is a consideration. We Just did that, and the exit fees form more schools only go up a little. Something happened on UNLV. No F-ing way weren't they offered. Shit probably first. Maybe that's it - they freaked and said no, the the PAC-Poachers went down the list. For you all to figure out...
- Rose - As insinuated above, I am nearly certain that UNLV got a call. Maybe the first call. They have to be talking as we speak. Ferret it out you guys. I'm sure everyone on this site has a close relationship with Regents (or whatever they are down there), Athletic Dept Higher ups, President's office and all other high ranking UNLV officials. Not to mention major donors, all of whom I bet lurk around on this board. UNLV in this (stupid IMHO) Pac 2/8/10 is a no-brainer
New Mexico is 48 in market size, Las Vegas is 40th. CSU is 88th. FSU is 55th in market size. WSU tv market size would include King County and eastern Washington so it is big because of alumni size. WSU lawsuit vs Pac12 paid the costs of buying teams. It looks like according to Seattle papers, UNLV, AF, Texas State, and one more Texas school for expansion in the next four. Of course, ACC blow up would change everything. New Pac would have to have at least 12 teams to be competitive in NCAA seeding. New Mexico could sneak in but low average salary in New Mexico doesn't attract big dollar advertisers. My opinion is Big12 with a reduced share of revenue or a share of visitor ticket sales at Allegiant. Clark County has too much money invested in highways, bussing, casino's to blow off UNLV even though Tulane is facing the same obstacles of pro sport competition. Pro Sports revenue is an issue for even a NBA expansion team. Only so many dollars for leisure and UNLV would have a competitive advantage in basketball with Big12 teams because of ticket pricing.
I think the PAC thing is still alive but I'm confused why UNLV wouldn't jump on that if they knew BSU, Fresno and SDSU were also in the mix.
What's the point in being the flagship program in a conference nobody would care about.
Something isn't adding up..
Say two years go by...
Who could the MWC possibly poach? Why would a Tulane or Memphis leave the AAC? Hell, why would CUSA teams jump ship to a depleted MWC even? AFA is going to jump ship and join Army and Navy in the AAC most likely. MWC is dead in two years and I don't think that's hyperbole. There's nobody to poach. Even if they get $50 milking dollars is it worth paying 5 million or whatever to get NMSU, UTSA, Rice and Texas State? I don't think there's enough return on investment.
Purely a guess on why UNLV wasn't included.
They are a future target and it was to save money on exit fees. These four were to jump start the new PAC without drying up the war chest.
Or
UNLV is already in discussions with the BIG12 and feel like that can get done so there was no reason to join a new iteration of the PAC.
Only other scenario I can think of was UNLV wasn't considered at all. In which case UNLV and their athletics are basically screwed.
Umm, I knew UNLV should have never gotten rid of Hey Reb.
We will end up similar to Conf USA. The Conf USA TV deal pays each school around $ 750,000 a year. With that type of income, there is no way we can maintain our sports programs on par with what they are now.
we have our own Souther Nevada regents saying weshould be a package deal with UNR. In short, we are ****ed! https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...ntain-west-schools-unlv-left-out-3168075/amp/
Yeah, wtf man! If Regents representing Clark County feel this way it’s going to be difficult for UNLV to do anything. Trying to force the PAC-12 into taking UNR too is stupid.
“It would be very difficult for UNLV to make a move into another conference without UNR because that should be a package deal,” he said. “And then the financial obligations that these campuses have in moving from one conference to another … I’m not sure that UNLV and UNR are in a place to spend that kind of money to move into another conference.”
While Brooks acknowledged that there is a separation of sports success between UNLV and UNR, he said it wouldn’t be practical for the state’s “largest institutions” to play in separate conferences.
“It would be very difficult for UNLV to make a move into another conference without UNR because that should be a package deal,” he said. “And then the financial obligations that these campuses have in moving from one conference to another … I’m not sure that UNLV and UNR are in a place to spend that kind of money to move into another conference.”
While Brooks acknowledged that there is a separation of sports success between UNLV and UNR, he said it wouldn’t be practical for the state’s “largest institutions” to play in separate conferences.
This article is a must read. It explains exactly why we didn't go. There are 13 regents. The university presidents work directly for that board. If only five ( or perhaps three/four ) of them vehemently oppose UNLV moving to another conference without Reno the president would be hesitant to go to war with them.
This is literally the definition of cutting of your nose to spite your face.
Yeah but the blame for lack of fan support belongs to the fans...decades worth of stupidity such as this has nothing to do with it.
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