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Facilities played a large role in Mullins decision.....

Sam Boyd had one of the best tailgating areas in college football. Our group had two lots, and there was plenty of space for everything and elaborate tailgate set ups with 30-40 people. I loved being able to walk around the grass barefoot. There was plenty of space to throw a football around without getting hit by a golfcart. I legitimately miss Sam Boyd, though my best memories are tailgating.

That being said, I don’t trade in Allegiant. I just wish that we could replicate the star nursery field experience.
The only way that would happen is either they would need to build a park near the stadium, or an alumni or booster would need to buy a piece of land near the stadium and build a tailgate area for the games. Neither is likely, but you can always wish!
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Projecting next years starting 5

With only 2 returning players, one of whom redshirted last season, we essentially have an entirely new team. I haven't seen hardly any of the current guys actually play, other than a few highlight films, so give your thoughts on who you think will be the starting 5 next year.

I may be way off, but I'll throw this out for an initial guess. Go ahead and tell me if I'm an idiot

PG: Myles Che
SG: Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn
F:Naas Cunningham
F: Kimani Hamilton
C: Emmanuel Stephen
It’s too early! Lol

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We don't know what's going on here. Pastner recruiting at will at this point. .che hamilton u want in ???? Yes yes yes .. could be at 17 18 at this point trying to scale back to 15.. who knows what's going on behind closed doors and this lack of confidential..
With more players coming in, I could certainly see a guy leaving it they don't think they're going to get the playing time that they're hoping for. We'll see how it shakes out though.
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We don't know what's going on here. Pastner recruiting at will at this point. .che hamilton u want in ???? Yes yes yes .. could be at 17 18 at this point trying to scale back to 15.. who knows what's going on behind closed doors and this lack of confidential.. I don't know who but somebody is going to pan out here.
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What surprised me about Burris is that the Portland State hire announcement was giving her credit for recruiting Colvin. If that is true then I'll drop the mic and leave it there. I hadn't heard that before.
Yes, Karlie Burris would make frequent trips to Coeur d'Alene, ID to see Teagan Colvin play.
Burris was the main recruiter for her. Even though, she was a guard and Burris tended to recruit bigs.

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I wonder if she is the big man's coach. Coaching the front court, like Karlie Burris did.
Hopefully, she is a good recruiter. UNLV needs talented big's and talented forwards.
What surprised me about Burris is that the Portland State hire announcement was giving her credit for recruiting Colvin. If that is true then I'll drop the mic and leave it there. I hadn't heard that before.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Thats because the ACC GOR buyout is like 200 million right? Of course thats not feasible, but the MWC doesnt even have a media rights deal and if the media fees are projected at 5 million per season base, that exit fee cant be more than the 18 million they're currently charging teams to leave the conference... Im on board for either, I think dominating the MWC would be a nice change and help us standout as a expansion program, but being able to rub our future success in the faces of Boise St and SDSU every year would be fun as well and there is a pathway to get out of the GOR.
I'm not being the big fish in a small pond for once in football. But when the cost of business is higher than ever these days, having more money in the back is more important than ever.

If we can get every last penny of the poaching fees and no less than 8 mill per school with the exit fees, the up front benefits of staying makes this a decent deal.

As for the GOR buyout? I don't know if that has been outlined, and you could be right in the fact that it could be around 18 million dollars. But it may not matter, since the language of the GOR is that the MW own all of our media rights regardless of which conference we are in. Hopefully there will be a buyout for that after the media deal, but maybe not?

If there is then yes, there could be a window where we could leave, as long as it is before the MW media deal, since there would be no GOR buyout of a non existent contract

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Read on x that Jones was leaving? Too late to enter the portal but who knows these days.
Got a link on that? I haven't been able to find anything that confirmed that, but since he's not enrolled yet he wouldn't need to transfer, he could just reopen his recruiting--though we'd have to release him from his LOI (which I think any coach is going to do, one of the quickest ways to dry up your recruiting is to try and hold kids who don't want to be there hostage).
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Facilities played a large role in Mullins decision.....

Devil's advocate:

SBS was never getting compared to other MWC football stadiums. It was being compared to the Thomas and Mack, MGM Grand, for a while T-Mobile, all the showrooms and theatres in our hotel/casinos, Orleans (which make no mistake is a wonderful facilities, just small), etc. If it had been compared 1:1 to old CSU stadium, SJSU, UNM, Wyo, Fresno, Reno, Aloha Stadium, Bronco Stadium even... people would hold it in higher regard I think.
I agree to a extent, and Allegiant fixed all of those issues. State of the art facility in a central location.

Yet fans still took a while to show up, complained about parking or other things.

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I saw we hired Joslyn Tinkle as Assistant Coach. Burris got the HC job at Portland State so gave us that opening. I hope Joslyn works out. She played with Lindy at Stanford. Also, Tinkle's dad is the HC at Oregon State so she has been around basketball probably her whole life. I like the hire. She has WNBA and overseas experience and has bounced around as an assistant coach. Welcome to Las Vegas.


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I wonder if she is the big man's coach. Coaching the front court, like Karlie Burris did.
Hopefully, she is a good recruiter. UNLV needs talented big's and talented forwards.
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Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

I was talking as the AAC as being a comp for exit fees, not that they are canidates for expansion for the PAC.

With the exception of the newer AAC schools. They currently do not get the 9 mill per season ( what they get has not been disclosed anywhere I have seen), and many of them would not be crazy for travel in good markets like UNT and UTSA. I don't think they would be added now, but I think they could target them as future expansion but they would need to declare soon to be in that > 27 month window.

As for the GOR, and I need to look at it again, but I got the impression that it locked us in to the point where we could leave, but the MW would have the rights to our media revenue. So we could leave, but the MW would get the money we would be paid from the PAC? Something like that?

I am sure there is some sort of legal out potentially, but it seems much, much more difficult. Clemson and FSU have something very similar and they seem locked in, even with lawyers.
Thats because the ACC GOR buyout is like 200 million right? Of course thats not feasible, but the MWC doesnt even have a media rights deal and if the media fees are projected at 5 million per season base, that exit fee cant be more than the 18 million they're currently charging teams to leave the conference... Im on board for either, I think dominating the MWC would be a nice change and help us standout as a expansion program, but being able to rub our future success in the faces of Boise St and SDSU every year would be fun as well and there is a pathway to get out of the GOR.

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

Lets play around with a large language model that I have been developing to figure out what is the total cost of UNLV to leave the mountain west. Everything represented in the graph is coming from my program.

I am including a 3% inflation rate into these models as a baseline. If I knew what the actual inflation rate would be, I would be a wizard and I wouldn't be wasting my time on this scenario. I would have already just given UNLV the money to exit.

So lets start with our baseline cost to leave.
ComponentAmount (in Millions USD)
Exit Fee$17.0
Poaching Distribution Loss (24.5%)$12.0
Annual Loyalty Guarantee Loss (7 years * avg. $1.65M)$11.55
Total Cost to Leave$40.55M

From there lets do a projection assuming the mountain west is getting 4.5m per school, and the Pac is getting 8m.
YearMWC Payout (Adj.)Pac-12 Payout (Adj.)MWC CumulativePac-12 CumulativeNet Gain/Loss vs MWCNet Gain/Loss vs $40.55M Cost
2026$4.50$8.00$4.50$8.00$3.50- $32.55
2027$4.64$8.24$9.14$16.24$7.10- $24.31
2028$4.77$8.49$13.91$24.73$10.82- $15.82
2029$4.92$8.74$18.83$33.47$14.64- $7.08
2030$5.06$9.00$23.89$42.47$18.58$1.92
2031$5.22$9.27$29.11$51.75$22.64$11.20
2032$5.37$9.55$34.48$61.30$26.82$20.75
Break even point is around 2030 in this scenario, or just before projected conference realignment

Now lets assume we can negotiate exit fees down to 30.5m and run the projections again.
YearMWC (Adj.)Pac-12 (Adj.)MWC CumulativePac-12 CumulativePac-12 Net Gain/Loss
2026$4.50$8.00$4.50$8.00-$22.50
2027$4.64$8.24$9.14$16.24-$14.26
2028$4.77$8.49$13.91$24.73-$5.77
2029$4.92$8.74$18.83$33.47$2.97
2030$5.06$9.00$23.89$42.47$11.97
2031$5.22$9.27$29.11$51.75$21.25
2032$5.37$9.55$34.48$61.30$30.80
Here is better, we break even about a year earlier in 2029.

Things to remember:
1. We would be floating interest on exit fees and debt we are already carrying.

-That would shift the 17m for exit fees to 22m based on a 4.5% interest rate over 6 years (The exact term of time we would have to pay off the exit fee as it incurs interest). YES this could go down if we are successful in negotiation.

-In addition the 25m or so that we are floating in debt would grow by 6m to 7.5m (if we account the time it would take to reach a break even point)

2. These are projected "estimates" that do not include ramp up schedules to payments that are common in media deals. I have no way to calculate that, so I used raw "median" values. That would take our break even times and move them to the right to about 2031-2032 in both scenarios.

3. This assumes that the pac deal runs to 2032 and is not more short term. I used that timeline because it is projected that the next round of power realignment could happen in 2031-2032 if not sooner.
I like the work here, I appreciate it.

Though I think the max exit fee will be 11 mil, and I think 6 mil of PAC at the least is a safe assumption. I think the fees could easily get negotiated lower and the PAC help could be higher. That is a 12 million dollar swing that could be higher.

Those factors make the number change a good amount in terms of breaking even.

Then there is the annual bonus. There is wiggle room in the "war chest" coming to the MW. Even if the exit fees get negotiated down to say 9 mil, the MW still has room to pay us the 1.8 mil extra per year which was the reported max we could possibly. The caveat to that is that we don't know how much of this money was basically spent to acquire all of the new teams AND all of the legal costs with mediation. So that is a bit of an unknown.

Projecting next years starting 5

With only 2 returning players, one of whom redshirted last season, we essentially have an entirely new team. I haven't seen hardly any of the current guys actually play, other than a few highlight films, so give your thoughts on who you think will be the starting 5 next year.

I may be way off, but I'll throw this out for an initial guess. Go ahead and tell me if I'm an idiot

PG: Myles Che
SG: Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn
F:Naas Cunningham
F: Kimani Hamilton
C: Emmanuel Stephen

Assuming Hawaii gets done..Then what?

That is true. Going to a P4 conference would free us from that GOR. Going to the PAC the MWC would get our PAC media revenue. At this point if the breakeven point is around 2030, using RebelinWA's charts, we should just expect to stay and give notice a year prior to the next GOR tied media contract imo. If he PAC doesn't want us at that time then we should take AF and jump into the AAC with Memphis.
I have to imagine that both UNLV and AF talked to the AAC previously. I wonder if they would have wanted to expand at this point of time. Though, there is no way we'll get the free p4 out in the AAC, unless they've lost a number of schools to the ACC by that point and they get desperate.
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