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…wasn’t the only reason.

I get the cities being large markets, but even in those cities, Tennessee and LSU are king. Just can’t imagine anyone would say ‘here’s another $20m per season since you got those 2 universities. I could be completely wrong however.

From your early post, I do agree that taking care of football is a priority, just thought a stronger basketball conference could help a little bit overall.

At the end of the day, we are not in a good postiition presently. Best thing we can do is continue to improve our standing by continuing to improve football. It’s unlikely we finish well enough to qualify for the playoffs, but doing so would go a long way obviously.

I'm maybe being a foolish optimist once again with UNLV, but I think a deal with the PAC is ultimately reached.

If applying odds to where this lands..

60% chance We end up in PAC

50-50 We end up in AAC along with AFA and possibly 2 other MWC schools to make up loss of Memphis and Tulane and get them to 16. (God I hope my math was right there)

20% Chance UNLV and remainder of MWC stand firm and conference does its own poaching to rebuild.

10% MWC/AAC go crazy and merge into a mega conference.

10% This goes completely sideways MWC dissolves and UNLV ends up in CUSA or some MWC/CUSA merger.

1% BIG12 happens.

Yeah I know that doesn't add up to 100% Math isn't my strong suit.
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…wasn’t the only reason.

Stop trying to build a conference with basketball only members. There's not going to be enough money to go around for the football schools, why bring in basketball only programs. Again, these media deals aren't being paid because basketball. If they don't have football, we don't have anything to give them.
Well the Big East (basketball only) just signed a deal worth $80m annually, so there certainly is some value. We wouldn’t be able to command that much, but I do think it would help a bit. Could be wrong though. Often am. Just was the reason behind my thinking there.
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…wasn’t the only reason.

Memphis has been solid football program for a bit now. Tulane more recently. Both are in pretty large markets.

Memphis has been rumored in the past for both ACC and I think Big12 even kicked the tires.

I think Cal/Stanford at least for the near future are staying put.
I get the cities being large markets, but even in those cities, Tennessee and LSU are king. Just can’t imagine anyone would say ‘here’s another $20m per season since you got those 2 universities. I could be completely wrong however.

From your early post, I do agree that taking care of football is a priority, just thought a stronger basketball conference could help a little bit overall.

At the end of the day, we are not in a good postiition presently. Best thing we can do is continue to improve our standing by continuing to improve football. It’s unlikely we finish well enough to qualify for the playoffs, but doing so would go a long way obviously.

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This is me sitting back.

I took a break from here to watch the volleyball game vs Hawaii. Hawaii is a damn good team. In a packed sold out COX pavilion with over 3000 fans we beat them. UNLV (6-2) and Hawaii (6-2) UNLV wins in 5 sets with the 5th set going to 15-13. Hell of a match.
Shocking, this was the most people at a UNLV women's volleyball game.
Some, professional women's volleyball players where there to attend. Our, very own Vegas Thrill.

…wasn’t the only reason.

If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.

Memphis has been solid football program for a bit now. Tulane more recently. Both are in pretty large markets.

Memphis has been rumored in the past for both ACC and I think Big12 even kicked the tires.

I think Cal/Stanford at least for the near future are staying put.
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…wasn’t the only reason.

If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.

It looks like ACC thing might be resolved.

I'll be honest, and I know this is blasphemous on these boards but I would 100% get football taken care of first and then figure out potential basketball additions afterwards.

I don't disagree or think your idea is bad or wrong but football is driving all this shuffling.

Plus does Gonaga want to even leave. That's already a decent basketball conference. I'm not sure about their media deal.
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…wasn’t the only reason.

NIU would be great but would they want that travel?

Agree I think 2 FCS schools might be too many.

Stealing from yours a bit.

UNLV
RENO
USU
WYO
UH
UNM
SJSU

Plus (I'm sticking with Tulsa trying to keep some regionalism)

TULSA
N TEXAS (Or Texas State)
LA Tech
ND STATE (OR MONTANA)
RICE
If we are rebuilding the MWC, my first choice would be to probably try to get to 9 for football and attempt to get Gonzaga, St Mary’s and maybe Pepperdine or San Diego for basketball and other sports. I’d attempt to get UTSA and another Texas school (Texas St, Rice or N Texas) first. After that than I don’t think I’d look at the Dakota and/or Montana schools. NDSU is at least a name brand (relatively speaking) and would help at least a little with a new media deal.

That being said, if the ACC is able to make Clemson and Florida St happy and convince them to stay and stabilizes that conference, the new PAC becomes a stronger possibility. I do think the PAC will try to get to 9, so even if Memphis and Tulane join them, then it would still leave them a school shy (without the possibility of Cal/Stanford coming back) and I think we’d make the most sense in that scenario. Who knows though. These things change daily it seems. Personally, I’m not sure why Memphis and Tulane are all that appealing. Can’t imagine it would improve any media deal that much and would suck for those 2 schools logistically.
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This is me sitting back.

I took a break from here to watch the volleyball gave vs Hawaii. Hawaii is a damn good team. In a packed sold out COX pavilion with over 3000 fans we beat them. UNLV (6-2) and Hawaii (6-2) UNLV wins in 5 sets with the 5th set going to 15-13. Hell of a match.
Now that’s an actual great time

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Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Isn’t this fun?
This is me sitting back.

I took a break from here to watch the volleyball game vs Hawaii. Hawaii is a damn good team. In a packed sold out COX pavilion with over 3000 fans we beat them. UNLV (6-2) and Hawaii (6-2) UNLV wins in 5 sets with the 5th set going to 15-13. Hell of a match.

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Hi Scott - I hope you are well! Regarding the PAC 12, at this time, we have not been asked to join this division. I am in communication with UNLV's President, and I assure you, the President and the Athletic Director will advise a decision once we are confronted with the opportunity. They believe that we will be included. I am told that this item will need to come before the Board of Regents for a final vote. Please keep in contact with me and I will be sure to share any new information I have.



My best,

Stephanie

This sounds at the least that there are on going talks and UNLV brass believe an invite may be coming.

But who knows could just be posturing.
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That’s not how it works at all. If we said we are leaving why would the MWC cut us a break in exit fees? The answer is they wouldn’t. The reason why is your example doesn’t apply. This isn’t free agency.

MWC schools have signed contracts with the conference. With 2 years notice they pay $17mm, with one year notice they pay $34mm. Plus distributions stop when they give notice.

There’s a reason why the ACC isn’t caving to FSU and Clemson even though they want to leave and cut a deal. The remaining schools that aren’t leaving want the full amount owed on the contract. The situation here is the same.

Dude math is hard!

I'm not some kind of lawyer!

I asked the one lawyer on this board for some guidance but his expertise in 18th century Agrarian law is useless here..

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…wasn’t the only reason.

Too many bad Texas programs.. Why not grab Montana and bring them to the big leagues, they have a great school and program. Then I'd probably look at Rice, maybe LA Tech, but I'm avoiding NMSU because we don't need two NM programs, avoiding Liberty for reasons that I'm not sold on their value ad... I'd like to think adding NDSU could be huge too, but man you can't add 2 subdivision teams at once, so maybe you add a North Texas, what about Northern Illinois? That's what 12?
Montana
Rice
UNT
LATech
NIU...
Not sure it's great but there's still some good markets and football schools in there

NIU would be great but would they want that travel?

Agree I think 2 FCS schools might be too many.

Stealing from yours a bit.

UNLV
RENO
USU
WYO
UH
UNM
SJSU

Plus (I'm sticking with Tulsa trying to keep some regionalism)

TULSA
N TEXAS (Or Texas State)
LA Tech
ND STATE (OR MONTANA)
RICE

…wasn’t the only reason.

This is purely a hypothetical question and if you have better suggestions definitely offer them up. I'm going off top of my head here first schools that come to mind.

Let's say everyone in the MWC remaining stays put and MWC with this exit money buy out or whatever is decides to expand.

AFA is likely out. (I'm keeping Hawaii as football only)

So we are down to..

UNLV
UNM
Utah State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Wyoming
Reno

MWC tries to get back to 12....

NMSU
LIBERTY
TULSA
TEXAS STATE (I know I know but growing program)
UTEP

Kick Tulsa out and go Rice? North Texas?
I'm asking as a nuclear option UNLV is stuck what teams would you want MWC to attempt to add?
Too many bad Texas programs.. Why not grab Montana and bring them to the big leagues, they have a great school and program. Then I'd probably look at Rice, maybe LA Tech, but I'm avoiding NMSU because we don't need two NM programs, avoiding Liberty for reasons that I'm not sold on their value ad... I'd like to think adding NDSU could be huge too, but man you can't add 2 subdivision teams at once, so maybe you add a North Texas, what about Northern Illinois? That's what 12?
Montana
Rice
UNT
LATech
NIU...
Not sure it's great but there's still some good markets and football schools in there
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