j. spilotro said:

The guy is a serious beast. The legs don’t stop moving. First hit on him means zero.

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Maurice Jones Drew a fair comparison?

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For the Montana's and the Dakota's, aren't both D2 (or whatever it's called now)? That means that all would need to invest more in every program and probably develop some new programs, resulting in a ton of costs. Are any willing to do so when they have it pretty good at their current levels?

j. spilotro said:

That’s closer. I’d think 3.

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Neutral field it's likely a pick'em. 3 - 3.5 sounds about right.

Our new look secondary is going to get tested.

For sure and as it should. Harp’s shoutout to Lindy upped the pressure as well.

Rebel_Luv said:

This probably sealed his fate. Unless he pulls off a minor miracle and get us a auto bid. I don't think winning the MWC championship tournament would do it. I hope not.

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The focus should be on Coach Odom and staff. All the resources should be all here. Let CKK do his thing. He got an All-American in Dedan Thomas Jr. and a bunch of former top 100 players.

Boston Rebel 2 said:

That is a heck of a swing

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I'm not sure which to believe. Two different books but 4 points is a huge difference. I think Superbook gets hammered and adjusts quickly.

Masked_rebel said:

It's in the article we already produced. It's a direct comment from the company hired to do the risk analysis for what programs to add and how to convince them to leave. Your commissioner tried to pound her chest as a "look at my chess moves" moment in that article. Whiles there's not official terms really made known, it's been widely discussed that your conference committed to paying their exit fees.

"Unlike when the initial deal was signed with Kliavkoff in charge, OSU and WSU were now in control of the Pac-12 assets -- they secured roughly $250 million when the departures were finalized -- and had more time to make alternative scheduling plans for 2025. When it became clear the Sept. 1 deadline to extend the agreement would pass, the Pac-12 became more serious about attempting a true rebuild.

Much of the vetting of potential candidates and outreach was handled by Navigate, a private sports consulting firm, sources said. The Pac-12 would be willing to help fund the exit fees, the schools were told, which took away the primary risk factor. Had the four been required to come up with a combined $72 million on their own, it would have been much more difficult to justify the jump -- especially without a firm understanding of what kind of media deal the new-look conference could command.

The schools also knew to expect the Mountain West to attempt to withhold media rights distributions for departing schools over the next two years -- roughly $5 million per school, per year -- as it did when BYU, TCU and Utah all left in 2011. It's unclear what the total cost will be to the schools and Pac-12 to the Mountain West when the dust settles."

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I may have missed that article. But there is a big difference between "helping fund" and paying all of the exit fees. I read the "helping" part.

Mojo702 said:

CBS Sports has UNLV -4 now

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The way around -7

TheMatrix31 said:

This gotta put the pressure on Kruger right?

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This probably sealed his fate. Unless he pulls off a minor miracle and get us a auto bid. I don't think winning the MWC championship tournament would do it. I hope not.

I think in any case; we should try to take Texas state and Utep. Texas football is too big to ignore.

CBS Sports has UNLV -4 now

j. spilotro said:

Wow. Terrible line.

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Seems like your on a hot streek when it comes to UNLV betting! What do u think it should be?

WarthogRebel said:

Last year Montana state averaged just under 22,000 per game. We averaged just over 22,000 per game. The Montana grizzlies averaged just under 26,000 per game.

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Those are almost to capacity though of their stadiums. Montana is one of the coolest stadiums to play at. Seating goes right up to the sidelines. Notorious for fans throwing stuff at players haha. Really fun tailgating and the town shuts down.

Loyal Coug1 said:

I think I have asked you before how you know the Pac agreed to pay the exit fees for the Traitorous 4. There is no such information out there. Unless you have a source (link please) that supports your assertion. Likewise on whatever our offer was to UNLV.

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It's in the article we already produced. It's a direct comment from the company hired to do the risk analysis for what programs to add and how to convince them to leave. Your commissioner tried to pound her chest as a "look at my chess moves" moment in that article. Whiles there's not official terms really made known, it's been widely discussed that your conference committed to paying their exit fees.

"Unlike when the initial deal was signed with Kliavkoff in charge, OSU and WSU were now in control of the Pac-12 assets -- they secured roughly $250 million when the departures were finalized -- and had more time to make alternative scheduling plans for 2025. When it became clear the Sept. 1 deadline to extend the agreement would pass, the Pac-12 became more serious about attempting a true rebuild.

Much of the vetting of potential candidates and outreach was handled by Navigate, a private sports consulting firm, sources said. The Pac-12 would be willing to help fund the exit fees, the schools were told, which took away the primary risk factor. Had the four been required to come up with a combined $72 million on their own, it would have been much more difficult to justify the jump -- especially without a firm understanding of what kind of media deal the new-look conference could command.

The schools also knew to expect the Mountain West to attempt to withhold media rights distributions for departing schools over the next two years -- roughly $5 million per school, per year -- as it did when BYU, TCU and Utah all left in 2011. It's unclear what the total cost will be to the schools and Pac-12 to the Mountain West when the dust settles."

Loyal Coug1 said:

I think I have asked you before how you know the Pac agreed to pay the exit fees for the Traitorous 4. There is no such information out there. Unless you have a source (link please) that supports your assertion. Likewise on whatever our offer was to UNLV.

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With or without evidence, I think it would only be common sense.

lvrebalum2012 said:

Not saying we should/should not take any of the teams mentioned. But El Paso isn’t really grabbing anything in Texas. Really just an extension of New Mexico.

Texas State would be different.

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I get that but San Marcos is 70k population. El Paso is 700k.

Yes I want Texas State, but I think a city of 3/4 of a million people is kind of hard to pass up no?

TV execs look at both market penetration and market potential.

j. spilotro said:

From bottom 20 to top 40 in year 1.

In year 2, to top 25.

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This gotta put the pressure on Kruger right?

Bullmastiff 1 said:

That your feeling? I mean no way NMSU/UTEP get passed by both PAC and MWC right?

I think if PAC goes Texas State MWC almost has to go all in on UTEP and vice versa. El Paso would be a pretty large market to just ignore.

Ignoring results..El Paso is almost 6x larger than Las Cruces. Personally I would target UTEP over NMSU.

Plus recruiting. The talent pool in Texas is so much larger it's not funny.

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Not saying we should/should not take any of the teams mentioned. But El Paso isn’t really grabbing anything in Texas. Really just an extension of New Mexico.

Texas State would be different.

Loyal Coug1 said:

Leave our new schools alone!

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That your feeling? I mean no way NMSU/UTEP get passed by both PAC and MWC right?

I think if PAC goes Texas State MWC almost has to go all in on UTEP and vice versa. El Paso would be a pretty large market to just ignore.

Ignoring results..El Paso is almost 6x larger than Las Cruces. Personally I would target UTEP over NMSU.

Plus recruiting. The talent pool in Texas is so much larger it's not funny.

Also, no. 23 in the coaches poll!

Wow! What a program turn-around. My head is spinning. Congrats CBO, staff and team. And thank you Harper!!

Bullmastiff 1 said:

I'm throwing crap at the wall at this point.

Considering what's available it's UTEP/TEXAS STATE/NMSU as most realistic sensible additions.

A weird one I saw somebody throw out on Twitter. Western Kentucky. May be an option if they miss out on Texas State, NIU and Toledo. Circle Back to W. Kentucky UTEP NMSU.

Over last 5 years they've won 9 games three times 8 games and a 5 win season. Not bad.

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Leave our new schools alone!

Thats awesome. Gotta keep it going

TimothyC3 said:

Also, what I struggle to get my mind around is this. After agreeing to pay exit fees for SDSU, Boise, CSU and Fresno, the PAC2 truely expected UNLV would jump at their different offer which required UNLV to pay $18 mill out of pocket to join a P5 conference! That was incredibly delusional! Then Gloria counters with a $30 mill bonus to stay in th MWC. That’s a no brainer and a $48 million swing. Now Gloria moves very quickly and offers Texas State. But the PAC is sitting back and twittering its thumbs trying to figure out what to do next. I have read Gloria is also in contact with UTEP.

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I think I have asked you before how you know the Pac agreed to pay the exit fees for the Traitorous 4. There is no such information out there. Unless you have a source (link please) that supports your assertion. Likewise on whatever our offer was to UNLV.